Because of the ethanol rumors below, I did a little scouting and asked some questions when I was out and about on Tuesday.
Red Hill Eagle: As posted below, the main pumps now have ethanol laced gas. They said their premium gas does not contain ethanol but they can't post it.....probably true, but I'm not sure if it would always be true. As Dean mentioned, they have a dedicated non-ethanol pump that is located to the left by the diesel pumps. Because of the driveway that curves around, it actually makes it easy to fill a boat (as long as nobody is parked in the way). Non-ethanol was 10 cents higher than ethanol; well worth the difference.
Nails: Still no ethanol and no plans to change. They said they planned to carry it as long as their supplier has it, and they don't see that changing anytime soon....lets hope not.
Thanks to these businesses for providing what many consumers want for their boats and vehicles. Please support them and make a statement by using non-ethanol in your cars as well as your boats. At these small price differences, you are still getting more energy bang for your buck, not to mention the other benefits.
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lakngulf
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4/12/2012 9:48:32 AM
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Thanks for the update. When I filled up my boat a couple of weeks ago Jimmie's in equality was no-ethanol. I assume he will remain that as long as the supplier can deliver
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HARRY
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4/12/2012 9:53:28 AM
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Just curious. Do you run ethanol gas in your other vehicles
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I only use ethanol gas when I have to....unfortunately, non-ethanol gas is not available in all areas. I will support any non-ethanol dealer if I'm able to do so; if we don't, we may lose this product and the loss will cause considerable long term expense for those with non-auto type engines (boats, weed eaters, chain saws, pressure washers, lawn tractors, etc; I have all of these). Just ask Cat....
I have done detailed long term mileage testes on my Volvo, BMW's, Suburban, and Honda, and the increase is between 4 and 8 percent depending on the vehicle and driving conditions. The two chemical engineers in my family support the science behind why this is true....it may be hard to believe that adding 10% ethanol to gas can result in as much as a 4-8% drop in fuel economy but most people just don't realize that ethanol has a lower energy content than gas (and it also deteriorates much faster).
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HARRY
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4/12/2012 10:58:43 AM
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I don't have any expensive European autos nor do I have two chemical engineers in my family but my old Fords and Chevys do OK on ethanol
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MartiniMan
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4/12/2012 11:45:42 AM
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Last year Siggers Chevron in the Sandy Creek area was no ethanol. Not sure if they are still that way but I assume so.
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Ulysses E. McGill
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4/12/2012 11:55:20 AM (updated 4/12/2012 12:03:00 PM)
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It has nothing do do with where the vehicle is made or the price. Most all motors will do OK, but it takes it's tole over time in older cars. Most cars still on the road (10-15 years old) are built to handle it, so there is little effect other than lower fuel economy (unless they aren't driven on a regular basis). If ethanol sits in any car for more than a month or two, it can cause real problems . My 89 BMW starts acting up almost immediately if I put in ethanol.
Most equipment with small engines have plastic parts such as tubes and primer bulbs that will degrade and crack over a few years of ethanol use. They also tend to sit with fuel in the tank and ethanol starts to degrade very quickly when they do, which can harm the motor. Fuel degradation is a big factor in marine engines because ethanol absorbs water.
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mariah1
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4/12/2012 5:56:06 PM
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Thanks UM!
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Mack
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4/12/2012 8:12:21 PM
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For those of you coming down from B'Ham via 280, WESCO stations in Childersberg have a huge banner up that proclaims "No Ethanol". Good stop when towing a boat or a truckbed full of 5 gallon cans. Just a thought.
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Barneget
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4/12/2012 9:13:16 PM
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UEM has done all a great favor by posting the non ethanol finds. Can't put enough emphasis on the demand. The few folks keeping It available for you are doing so in a down market, and supporting them, by continuing to spread the word, and buying as much of your fuel with them as is practical, will help to assure this option remains available to you. My hat is off to those retalers.
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BigFoot
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4/12/2012 9:23:40 PM (updated 4/12/2012 9:43:51 PM)
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Siggers is still non-ethanol...I have no problem running ethanol in my truck because I drive it every day (as mentioned, mileage is probably diminished somewhat)...BUT I will never again put ethanol in a small engine unless I have no choice....I have just completed carb jobs on approx. 20 small motors (did it myself...don't even ask...) ...these were all put out of commission by ethanol (IMHO).....I will gladly pay the higher price for non-ethanol gas if it is within reasonable driving distance....
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lakngulf
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4/12/2012 10:22:40 PM
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Glad to know where I can bring my small engines. I have not had ethanol in any of them for several years now. Reason being the same as Bigfoot mentioned.
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Ulysses E. McGill
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4/12/2012 11:12:24 PM (updated 4/12/2012 11:22:29 PM)
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Thanks Barnaget....I know you're in the gas business and I appreciate your prospective on the subject as a business owner. From your previous posts on the subject, I take it that you can't even offer non-ethanol (even when you know it's the best value for customers) because of market forces (if I'm wrong, correct me). It makes it tough for guys like you to offer what you know is best when the general public just looks at gallons and a price rather than value for the dollar. The science is there, but the knowledge isn't; in my opinion, our government is mostly to blame because the facts aren't an economy driver.
....and thanks to the others like feb, mariah1, bigfoot, JohnC and more who have posted locations that offer a non-ethanol product.
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GoneFishin
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Hey Barnie
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4/12/2012 11:18:56 PM
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Is it true that there really is no middle grade rather it is blended by you 50/50 regular and premium?
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MrHodja
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4/12/2012 11:53:03 PM
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If ethanol deteriorates so fast why do my hangovers last so long?
LOL
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MrHodja
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Hey Barnie
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4/12/2012 11:58:10 PM
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A few years back I watched as a gas station was built from scratch across the street form my office (at that time). They offered all three grades but the underground tank had only two chambers.
Short answer: Yes, they pumP a little of this and a little of that to get a little of the other.
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Barneget
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Hey Barnie
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4/13/2012 12:05:33 AM
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Partially true in some cases, absolutely true in others, and as far from true as possible in the rest. In most cases, your mid grade is a result of a blend. 50-50 would be a combo of 87+91.Haven't found 91 in this market, so the blend is 87+93, 65-35.
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BigFoot
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4/13/2012 9:38:22 AM
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I had gotten in the bad habit of buying a new one when the old one would not crank...got bored when football season was over so I decided to take 'em all on....learned a lot but a very frustrating job...know now why mechanics always smell like gasoline...
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Beekeeper Tony
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Riverbend Gas & Grocery has non-ethanol
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4/14/2012 2:06:15 PM
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Its always been that way.... Go to the Riverbridge on 280 (no, not the Chevron on top of the hill)... Riverbend is a small locally owned & operated store that sales NO-ETHANOL and you can grab you minnows, crickets, worms, beer & cigs in one stop... You wont get more friendly service... You will see some of us guys hanging out there always willing to help a pretty lady when in need. I have programmed GPS,s , put air in tires, carried stuff out & even pumped gas just to see a smiling face on someone... I dont work there but, tell um The Bee Guy sent ya...
Address is 9120 Hwy 280 Alexander City for you GPS,ers
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MrHodja
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Connecting the dots
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4/14/2012 7:54:56 PM
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It used to be that a two cycle power tool would last forever with little to no maintenance.
Lately, I have had to replace gas tubes on just about every two cycle implement I own....weed eaters, edgers, etc.
The only difference? I have been using gas with ethanol in it. When I went to the lawn equipment place for my latest hose buy I asked the guy at the counter and he affirmed that ethanol is the culprit.
What damage I have is done. But you can be darn sure that there won't be any more ethanol-laced gas in my tools.
Thanks to all for the eye-opener.
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BigFoot
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Riverbend Gas & Grocery has non-ethanol
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4/14/2012 8:33:02 PM
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Hey Beekeep...I got your last jar of honey at Longleaf.....nectar of the Gods!!
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GoneFishin
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Connecting the dots
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4/14/2012 10:23:23 PM
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I have found the easiest way to solve the problem is go electric. Have a 100 ft and 2 50 ft cords to supply the juice. The backyard is 150ft deep from the outlet and use an electric hedge clipper, electric edger, electric weed trimmer, and electric blower. Pain in the butt to pull out all the cord but so easy to just push a button and starts every time. Wife is a Master Gardner and she decided to eliminate all the grass and planted ground cover. We order 130 bales of pine straw delivered to cover the areas where there is no ground cover directly from the guy who collects it. He delivers it and we put it down
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Barneget
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Connecting the dots
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4/14/2012 10:50:21 PM
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Pine straw is a great idea, especially if you learn to like the snakes that will make their home there. The important thing is to know the difference between crackling and rattling. Snakes also like to nest in coiled up power cords, so it is probably best to let your wife bring them to you when needed.
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MrHodja
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Connecting the dots
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4/14/2012 10:55:37 PM
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My lot is 300 feet wide and 720 feet deep. I do have a whole series of Black and Decker 18 volt tools, to include a weed eater, but it would take about a dozen batteries to do the whole lot. Plus, as capable asit is, the battery powered weed eater just isn't as powerful as the least powerful gas version.
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au67
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Connecting the dots
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4/15/2012 6:07:11 PM
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The easiest way to solve the problem is to eliminate the requirement to blend ethanol with gasoline. Eliminating all the subsidies for ethanol production is a good start.
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Barneget
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Connecting the dots
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4/15/2012 6:29:48 PM
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My understanding is the ethanol subsidies lapsed 12/31/2011 and were not renewed. what we are seeing now with the ethanol blend is the true market price.
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au67
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Connecting the dots
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4/16/2012 10:03:07 AM
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What if there was no EPA mandate to blend...would there be an ethanol industry (even at high gasoline prices)?
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| Name: |
Barneget
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Connecting the dots
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4/16/2012 11:13:01 AM
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Good question. The blend requiremnt is based on 20 + years of corporate and bureaucratic propaganda. Helping people see the truth only works some times, and fails completely other times, for example, November 4, 2008.
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autiger86
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6/4/2012 12:51:41 PM
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Heard a couple of days ago that Siggers gas is no longer non-ethanol even though the signs are still up. Can anyone verify? Just had another weed trimmer die - - expect as a result of the ethanol curse . . .
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