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Old Diver
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Counting votes
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4/13/2012 10:22:26 PM
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Is anyone familiar with a company called SCYTL? It is a Spanish company that has been hired to count the votes in the next election. It will be done electronically with no paper ballots to authenticate the count. They were hired by the Chicago mob so surely there is nothing to worry about.
As Stalin said,"He who votes decides nothing. He who counts decides all!"
Be afraid,be very afraid! Look them up.
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Webmaster
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4/14/2012 5:00:06 AM
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That's a new one. I'm familiar with how fraud is done on Diebold and ELRON/VOXEO machines from the United States and Israel respectively. I suspect the concern with SCYTL is changing tabulation numbers before the election? When you say the Spanish company counts the votes, what involvement do they have in counting? Usually local election commissions do the counting.
I've been involved (as a volunteer) with a group combating vote fraud since December. The group has been moderately successful exposing fraud in the GOP caucuses in many states where they had paper ballot counts. When machines are used by primary states there is little oversight that can be done on them. With machines, fraud could be done long before Election Day and it would be difficult to programmatically prove it even if you could get access to the data card after the election.
County election commissions work under rules established by the Federal Election Commission (FEC). The parties do not play any official role in coordinating the election and are not supposed to have access to the machines. If machine cards are programmed, it would be done by an election commission or someone that could provide access to the machine data cards, not necessarily the machines themselves. Every election commission has varied levels of physical security to machines.
With the GOP caucuses this year (paper ballot counts), the tabulation errors were communication errors between precinct GOP chairs, county leaders and state GOP officials. They were written-off as honest mistakes, but that is indisputably how Pat Buchannan was cheated out of about 15% of Iowa's Des Moines County vote in 1996. You may recall Romney winning Iowa and later Santorum winning Iowa? Watch the Vote was instrumental in getting the affidavits to change the winner. The GOP provided a lot of resistance to that challenge. Then there has been delegate assignment corruption which is a completely different matter from vote fraud.
With machines, there are 2 things that can be done: 1) look for negative numbers in precinct results… or 2) If you can possibly have everyone that voted for a candidate that would sign affidavits that do not equal the results of the precinct, that would reveal a programmatic aberration. John Kerry had negative numbers in precincts in 2004. But Kerry conceded and did not allow his attorneys to pursue an investigation.
I'm new to all this, but I think the General Election could be more fair than a party nomination process because each party will be policing the other. With party nominations, the party is in control of the election and they have their own internal corruption issues with less FEC oversight. It's up to the campaigns to challenge problems. I’m sure the Democrats are no different from Republicans in this regard. Vote fraud is a much bigger problem than people realize. I’ve become a believer that there should be no electronic machines. All ballots should be counted out in the open. Then the most important thing is for people to verify that their precinct is recorded correctly all the way to the state level.
For more information on vote fraud watch "Hacking America". It's a documentary that demonstrates how Diebold machines can be hacked.
Watch the Vote - www.VoteFraud.org
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Old Diver
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4/14/2012 5:32:45 PM
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Web Master, why did you only concern yourself with Republican voter fraud? It seems to me one should be concerned about all voter fraud. I know the Republicans are far from blameless but considering the record of such as "Landslide Lindon", Acorn, Al Frankin, the Chicago mob, Green County etc. the Demos have raised it to an art form.
Perhaps that is why O'Blaimer is so sure of reelection.
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4/14/2012 7:04:49 PM
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We weren't concerned with Democrats because there is no Democrat presidential primary this election cycle. Obama will be the Democratic nominee (it's a given unless they can come up with a better birther argument).
Watch The Vote was formed by Jim Condit Jr. who worked on the Pat Buchanan campaign in 1996 (Republican). He understood where and how the fraud happened against Buchanan and the specifics of how the Iowa state GOP did it. Within two weeks we had almost 2,000 volunteers, but only about 50 of those lived in Iowa. The effectiveness of the group was not that we had broad coverage of watchers, but the fact that the election officials knew people were watching, just not where they were. That was kept secret. I can't help but think that made the process more honest.
even if the Democrats had caucuses this year, I don't think this group would even care about what the Democrats were doing in their own party. The group formed in December were republican candidate supporters that were concerned about a fair process with the GOP nomination. Watch The Vote does not affiliate itself with any party however.
The group's scope was only concerned in the area of vote counting/tabulation accuracy with hand counted votes. They did not get into registration issues and dead people voting... Although a lot of dead people did vote in the NH and SC primaries.
For the general this November, the states that had caucuses for the nomination selection will use voting machines to elect the President. So unfortunately, these kinds of watch efforts will not be possible. The counts are done behind closed doors and both parties having over-seers wherever possible.
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GoneFishin
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4/15/2012 2:19:44 PM
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I guess Gingrich realized after winning SC that most of his support came from dead people and he decided to drop out of the race.
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4/16/2012 3:02:17 AM
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Gingrich is still in the race, but he is garnering small crowds and is $4.5 million in debt. Paul is still in the race, is funded and garnering large crowds that are not televised. The media have written both off. Gingrich and Paul know it is still possible to deny Romney the 1144 delegates for a nomination. Gingrich and Paul have been the only two of all the GOP candidates that want to audit the Federal Reserve and/or eliminate it (the crux of the federal deficit).
What seems to be happening now that Santorum has dropped out is the evangelical Christians are looking at Paul because many still don't like Romney's Mormonism. That was Romney's problem in 2008.
Santorum can decide to hold or release his bound delegates. If he releases his bound delegates, they will not be bound to another candidate and can vote however they choose at the convention on the first ballot. Romney will want Santorum to hold his delegates most likely (depending on upcoming states). The two big delegate races to watch are Texas (155 delegates) and California (172 delegates). If Romney wins both those states, then it is statistically over and he will reach the 1144 delegate requirement.
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