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I'm shocked and appalled (NOT), are you?
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5/14/2012 4:50:24 PM
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I always suspected that ... I wonder how the government media will handle it.
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MartiniMan
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It is already being ignored
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5/14/2012 5:38:10 PM
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Now lets imagine a Mitt Romney cutout had offered some guy $150K not to talk about his cutting the hair of some other guy in high school.......now that's a scandal worth looking into as far as the government media is concerned. And they wonder why they are losing money and Fox is rolling in the dough. Only the maggot-infested dope smoking parasites and left wing nuts like Archie think the government dinosaur media is "middle of the road" and "unbiased". The fact that 90% of them vote Democrat, 8% lie and 2% will only vote for a RINO is not a factor in the minds of the useful idiots.
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MrHodja
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5/14/2012 5:45:26 PM
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What effect, if any, will the Pretender's endorsement of homosexual marriage have on the Catholic vote?
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au67
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5/14/2012 6:49:35 PM
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Probably the same as the pro-choice stance.
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Barneget
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5/14/2012 7:06:09 PM
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No difference to this one here, immersed in the process of doing all one can do to assure the kenyon mooslim, his America hating wide bodied mooch wife, their ancestors and offspring are all evicted from public housing January 20, 2013. Heard from some friends and family in the tri state area (hound types) that claim the occupiers "coming out", along with his war on women, mandating insurance provided abortions and anti Israel positions moved them and many others from toss up to likely R.
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MartiniMan
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5/15/2012 8:22:45 AM
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I would estimate that it will have a somewhat negative effect on the Catholic vote but nowhere near what the HHS mandate did. Now if he were to come out and say that Catholic Church's would have to perform gay marriages it would have a very negative impact.
Sadly, far too many are cultural Catholics and don't live their faith consistent with the doctrines of the Church. The corrosive effects of the post Vatican 2 misinterpretation still has a lingering effect.
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MrHodja
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5/15/2012 8:34:30 AM
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Not sure what you mean by "post Vatican 2 misinterpretation ". Please expand a bit..
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MartiniMan
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5/15/2012 10:04:04 AM
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Its kind of complex but here's my executive summary. First of all we have to remember that Vatican II occurred at a time of great upheaval and change in our society. We went from the dominance of the greatest generation to the self absorption of the baby boomers. The purpose of Vatican II was to evaluate the norms of the Catholic Church in light of the tremendous amount of change in the world, including the penetration of secular humanism in all aspects of society. In short, the Church was asking the question, "Is the way we do things in the Catholic Church preventing us from sharing the good news of Christ to the world?". In particular, it focused on the proper role of the consecrated (priests, nuns, brothers, etc.) and the laity and to provide a means for greater participation by the latter (i.e., make them understand we are all called to holiness and to be saints, not just the religious). Nowhere and at no time in Vatican II did the Church change any of the basic faith and moral teachings that have been in place for 2,000 years.
Unfortunately, far too many marginal and dissenting Catholics misused Vatican II to try to make the Church what they wanted it to be rather than what Christ made it to be. So we had an infusion of homosexuals to the priesthood, the seminaries were infused with dissenting Catholics, the consecrated (Nuns and Brothers) became confused and embraced all sorts of harmful practices, Catholic schools began to deemphasize the cathecism so Catholics were poorly formed, Catholic universities became even less Catholic, etc. In essence the Church in the U.S. went through a generation of bad ideas and a general misinterpretation of what was intended by Vatican II.
Then along comes Pope John Paul the Great, who was heavily involved in Vatican II, and who tried to right some of the wrongs caused by the dissent, upheaval, misinterpretation (either out of ignorance or malevolence) and downright evil intentions. He spent most of his pontificate trying to make us understand the true nature of human sexuality which was by far the biggest challenge being faced by Catholics, especially ones trying to be faithful to orthodoxy. Only in the last decade has the Church tried to rid the seminary system of all the errors, especially the homosexuality which has caused so much harm to impacted young people as well as the Church itself.
Despite all that, we still have far too many Catholics that are cultural (i.e., my parents and grandparents were Catholic, I was baptized Catholic, etc.) but either don't have the proper formation or simply dissent from many of the teachings because some are hard. For those people, ignoring an issue of great concern to society like the redefinition of marriage is not that big a deal. The reason they think that way is they have no real concept of why God ordained us in a complementary way, why marriage is a sacrament where two people don't make promises to each other but are in fact each making promises to God, why openness to life is not just about procreation and so on. They simply don't understand and therefore easily fall into error. And God gave us free will to make these kind of choices.
Sorry for the tome, but books have been written on this topic and I have barely scratched the surface.
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MrHodja
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5/15/2012 11:31:21 AM
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Thanks. Could the swinging of the proverbial pendulum back toward church roots be the source of the "Catholics Coming Home" signs I have seen on church lawns?
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MartiniMan
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Yep
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5/15/2012 12:19:00 PM
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That's one of the many fine programs for fallen away Catholics to remind them that the Church is still there and wants them back. There are a number of media-focused organizations that specialize in this. Heroic Media, EWTN, Virtue Media, Catholic radio, etc.
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