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misnash
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Little pleads guilty to homicide
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6/27/2012 4:16:03 PM
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This was my lil sister Ashley Williams. I have posted on here before but was unable to talk much about this issue. I am trying to find anyone who would like to see the AL boating laws changed.
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MartiniMan
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Little pleads guilty to homicide
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6/27/2012 4:51:21 PM (updated 6/27/2012 4:52:33 PM)
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I am really sorry for the loss of your sister. Sounds like he will be punished for a horrible accident (the part about her falling off the front of the boat) and even worse reaction to the accident (him running away instead of facing the consequences of his actions).
What changes to boating laws are you suggesting? I understood it is already illegal to operate a boat under the influence of alcohol or drugs and there are laws in effect to punish those that do. As much as I wish it weren't true, I doubt there is any law that is going to completely stop this kind of irresponsible and criminal behavior. If there were, we wouldn't need prisons for people like him.
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misnash
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Little pleads guilty to homicide
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6/27/2012 5:16:53 PM
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Those laws are in place and these kind of things will never stop but the punishment for a BUI should be the same as if it was a DUI on land that kills somone. Most of AL homicide by vessel cases, the defendant never spend a day in jail. But if this was to happen in a car they would spend alot of time in jail. Why are they saying, in away, kill someone on water while drunk and its ok. The punishment i guess is what i want to change on most water laws. Along with changing a homicide by vessel from an unclassified felony to a felony as if it happened on land. What really is the differance?
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lakngulf
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Little pleads guilty to homicide
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6/27/2012 5:28:12 PM
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I do not know the full details in the case, but when I read the article about the plea and sentencing, I was surprised that the jail time was not more. So sorry for your loss.
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Lifer
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Little pleads guilty to homicide
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6/27/2012 6:06:53 PM
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Sorry for your loss, but the laws are the same. In some cases even stricter on water, i.e. if you get a BUI with anyone under 14yo on board all punishments are doubled. He should never have left the scene of the accident, but in doing so didn't change the circumstances of the initial accident. Personal responsibility has to be considered also. If he was 'falling down drunk' why was he allowed to continue driving. He was not the only intoxicated person on the boat as I understand it.
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CAT BOAT
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Misnash....
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6/27/2012 7:47:37 PM
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If you are 100 percent serious, and extremely dedicated to changes, I would be extremely happy to spend some time with you. I also, would like to see some things changed, and have lots of information and opinion to share with you. There are lots of time and money being spent on pointless things at the moment. Please contact me by phone, or should you just show up at my store, I will gladely stop what I am doing and share my thoughts, facts and information. I look forward to it.
Respectfully,
Steve Northington
Owner/Operator
Cathouse Marine, LLC.
256-825-3388
Sorry for your lose. Needless to say, and unneccessary.
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| Name: |
misnash
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Little pleads guilty to homicide
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6/27/2012 7:51:20 PM
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True. Everyone one the boat considered him responsible because he said he was able to captain a boat. My sister was not a person to know how to captian a boat, thier lives were put into the person who said they were capabile, he is at fault because he new he wasnt, if he had he wouldnt have jump ship. Even a person with a few drinks wouldnt have done this in this way. My sister put her trust in Mr Little.
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misnash
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Little pleads guilty to homicide
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6/27/2012 7:52:38 PM
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Also the laws are not the same you need to do some more research on a BUI and DUI with death involved!
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misnash
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Misnash....
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6/27/2012 8:03:42 PM
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I was in prattville this weekend and until yesterday, I tried to contact you but was not able to. Yes I am very serious about this. I did notice the speed boats have a safety something infront of the propeler. i as have a boat that has installed safety parts. I have looked back on Al's history of this and I can't believe what I have learned. I believe thats, like in a dui case, if you are in a motorised anything it should be the same on land or off. Al said they were out of funds to inforce such a law. This should be something that is not left up to the state but should be a fedarel law. Thats what i want to change. I cant stop people from drinking and boating, even the country stations have a song by little big town called boater boating. The punishment should be the same. If not more strick, on water it takes alot more time to get to you and theres more chances of dieing because of the drowning....this shouldnt happen to anyone!
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MartiniMan
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Never mind my question
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6/28/2012 8:38:20 AM
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I looked up your earlier post and saw the part about there only being a maximum 5-year sentence for this type of situation. It does seem to me a little strange that it is different than a vehicle. Not sure the logic in that.
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coferj
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6/28/2012 9:45:07 AM (updated 6/28/2012 9:45:20 AM)
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wsptiger
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Little pleads guilty to homicide
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6/28/2012 11:10:22 AM
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If you don't mind explaining....how did she fall off the boat?
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MartiniMan
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Little pleads guilty to homicide
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6/28/2012 1:12:29 PM
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From what I recall from the original reports alcohol was a factor but I don't know if the results of the autopsy were ever disclosed. The Marine Police said everyone on the boat was drinking but I think that was pure speculation, but not altogether unreasonable.
Either way, it is apparent that she accidentally fell off the front of the boat and the driver did not react quickly enough to prevent her from being struck by the propeller. And of course since he was supposedly drinking at the time he ran for cover instead of doing the right thing. Maybe if he had rendered aid she might have survived and that is the real tragedy here. But even if not, his miserable decision only made things worse. His alcohol consumption likely had no impact on her falling off the front of the boat and even if he were stone-cold sober it was night and they were moving and he might not have been able to react in time to prevent her from being injured. But none of that speculation matters because he was drinking and he did not react properly.
But this is an abject lesson to anyone operating a boat. Even if consumption of alcohol did not contribute to an accident, you are taking a huge risk not only for the safety of those on your boat as well as other around you, but you put yourself at risk for criminal charges in the event of an accident in which your consumption of alcohol had no bearing. What would be a tragic accident turns into a crime.
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misnash
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Little pleads guilty to homicide
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6/28/2012 1:57:13 PM
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Mr Little was useing the throdle to jar the passangers around and to make them fall. One girl fell also but she didnt go over. litttle was operating the boat with the intent to make someone fall, he did not realise the effect of someone fall until it was to late. Yes alcohol was a factor, if he had been sober his judgment wouldnt have been messed up.
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CAT BOAT
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For the record
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6/28/2012 2:57:17 PM
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My post above, that want delete for some reason was not intended to attract or direct attention towards or away from ANY particular incedent or accidant what so ever. I am avid about boating safety and regulations and try to think of ways for improvement every day. This thread has taken a different direction. Those that know me, know exactly what I am talking about. It is pretty much a conversation every day here at the Lake Martin store. I like to discuss safety issues, such as improvement and navigation, education, proper equipment, and so on. For the record.
Steve
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Summer Lover
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Question
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6/28/2012 3:58:22 PM
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As far as proper equipment, how do you figure out the proper size bumpers for your pet beaver?
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misnash
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Question
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6/28/2012 5:25:30 PM
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for starters its a pet beaver
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misnash
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For the record
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6/28/2012 5:32:02 PM
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Steve, I agree with you. My concern is for something to change so no one else looses a luved one. What ever way it has to be done by, Im going to try. I cant bring my sister back nor help Mr Little, but I am sure going to try and help those in the future. This is a saftey issue not a personal vindeta. Nobody should experience the pain I have had.
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