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Lifer
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This turns my stomach
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7/30/2012 9:41:13 AM
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We know that all Mooozlums were exempted from Obamacare, but if you are Catholic and try to hold to your beliefs the guvment is gunning for you.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/doj-colorado-family-give-your-religion-or-your-business
URL: Family told to choose Religion or Business
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GoneFishin
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This turns my stomach
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7/30/2012 11:01:35 AM
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Muslims are NOT exempt from Obamacare. Actuallyy, they have no issue with health insurance. They are against life insurance on religious grounds.
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MAJ USA RET
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Well, Let's See How it Reads
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7/30/2012 1:47:18 PM
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Amish, scientologists, Christian scientists and Muslims are exempted from the requirements of the health care bill. Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be "gambling", "risk-taking", and "usury" and is thus banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption based on this. (Is this perhaps a violation of the current legal interpretation of the 1st Amendment?)
From the Health Care Bill:
‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—Subsection (a) shall not apply to any individual (and any qualifying child residing with such individual) for any period if such individual has in effect an exemption which certifies that such individual is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof described in section 1402(g)(1) and an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division as described in such section.
TITLE 26 Subtitle A CHAPTER 2 § 1402
§ 1402. Definitions
(g) Members of certain religious faiths
(1) Exemption
Any individual may file an application (in such form and manner, and with such official, as may be prescribed by regulations under this chapter) for an exemption from the tax imposed by this chapter if he is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof and is an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division by reason of which he is conscientiously opposed to acceptance of the benefits of any private or public insurance which makes payments in the event of death, disability, old-age, or retirement or makes payments toward the cost of, or provides services for, medical care (including the benefits of any insurance system established by the Social Security Act).
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/26/usc_sec_26_00001402----000-.html
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Lifer
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Well, Let's See How it Reads
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7/30/2012 3:10:18 PM
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Liberals believe so much that just isn't so. You would think a smart guy, like I know GF to be, would get tired of being wrong.
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HARRY
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Well, Let's See How it Reads
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7/30/2012 3:24:11 PM
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What will stop one from claiming to be a Muslim to avoid the penalty.
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GoneFishin
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NOT TRUE
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7/30/2012 4:01:37 PM
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If your religion allow a believer to be covered under Social Security then you cannot receive an exemption from coverage. Muslims pay unto and receive Social Security. Self employed Amish are exempt from paying into Social Security. Amish do not receive Social Security benefits and can be exempted from Obamacare. I repeat that Muslims are NOT exempt from Obamacare.
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comrade
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NOT TRUE
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7/30/2012 5:24:54 PM
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Then what do you make of the Major's post?
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GoneFishin
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Comrade
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7/30/2012 6:04:56 PM (updated 7/30/2012 6:17:52 PM)
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What do you not understand from my post? Maj post is not factual. Muslims are NOT exempt and cannot receive a waiver since they accept Social Security benefits unlike Amish who don't and can be exempt from Obamacare.
Internal Revenue Code. The religious exemption applies to any person who is a member of a “recognized religious sect or division” with “established tenets or teachings” that would forbid that person from accepting public or private insurance. Thus the Amish, who believe in taking care of their own elderly and don’t participate in Social Security, are exempt, as are Mennonites and Scientologists.
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comrade
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Comrade
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7/30/2012 6:06:04 PM
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Are you saying the Major is lying?
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GoneFishin
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Comrade
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7/30/2012 6:20:52 PM
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Misinformed. Do you have a better word to describe it?
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MAJ USA RET
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Missinformed?
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7/30/2012 7:01:29 PM
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My posting came a) directly from the Cornell University Law School interpretation and b) directly from the law itself. Please note the citation at the end of my post.
With all of the special exemptions being filed, it seems we have evidence enough that the law does NOT equally apply to everyone.
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deepwaterd
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Well, Let's See How it Reads
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7/30/2012 7:36:13 PM
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could this be a ploy to get people to convert to Islam, to avoid the tax?
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GoneFishin
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Missinformed?
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7/30/2012 8:37:03 PM
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This did not come from the Cornell site and is untrue as health insurance is not against Islam. Life insurance is against Islam.
Amish, scientologists, Christian scientists and Muslims are exempted from the requirements of the health care bill. Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be "gambling", "risk-taking", and "usury" and is thus banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption based on this. (Is this perhaps a violation of the current legal interpretation of the 1st Amendment?)
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MAJ USA RET
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Missinformed?
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7/30/2012 8:39:46 PM
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Then, Fishy, I truly MUST be a liar... and you are free to call me one.
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comrade
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Missinformed?
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7/30/2012 8:54:08 PM
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I'm just amazed that GF is such an expert in the subtleties of the un-enacted healthcare law.
And obviously, like the Constitution, there is no absolute truth?? (all open to interpretation?)
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GoneFishin
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Hey Commie
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7/31/2012 12:03:29 AM
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While I am certainly not an expert, I was troubled when I first read about the exemption last year and decided to research it to see who was entitled to an exemption and the criteria to qualify. However, if in your mind that makes me an expert, than I am an expert. Thanks for the compliment.
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Casey
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This turns my stomach
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7/31/2012 9:08:58 AM
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Fact does seem to get in the way of opinion....
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/05/dhimmitude-and-the-muslim-exemption/
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/government/a/muslims_exempt_health_insurance_mandate.htm
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/exemptions.asp
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comrade
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This turns my stomach
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7/31/2012 8:28:23 PM
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How long do I need to claim to be Amish before I can be exempt?
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GoneFishin
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Hey Commie
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7/31/2012 8:59:13 PM
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From your previous postings, I do not feel you could ever qualify to become Amish. However, the first test would be to quit your PC and stay off for 30 days. Them ask the question again. This will indicate if your question was posted just to make you appear to be important or a serious attempt to become a good person.
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comrade
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Hey Commie
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7/31/2012 9:25:21 PM
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Neither of your assumptions are correct.
I just don't want to give any more money to the government...
Do you really think Amish = good person?
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GoneFishin
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Hey Commie
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7/31/2012 10:29:04 PM
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I hired an Amish company in Lancaster PA to do some assembly work for me. The raw materials were shipped to them, they assembled the material, and fulfilled orders. They were pleasure to work with...honest and trustworthy. Never had an inventory loss issue or a schedule problem. They dressed as you would expect and buggies were in the parking lot. My most memorable incident was waiting in line at an ATM machine behind a buggy. The woman are great cooks. So, yes from my dealings with them I do consider them good people.
You may be thinking of Witness the movie from 1985 with Harrison Ford.
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comrade
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Hey Commie
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8/1/2012 9:28:51 AM
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Thanks Professor !
Maybe Obama really isn't Muslim. I'll bet he's Amish - they are such good people
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GoneFishin
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Hey Commie
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8/1/2012 12:51:21 PM (updated 8/1/2012 12:53:32 PM)
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It is so encouraging that after a long and diverse thread, you and I can reach the same conclusion. There is hope after all.
Professor Goofy
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comrade
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Hey Commie
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8/3/2012 8:33:10 AM
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Thanks Professor.
It is so encouraging that after a long and diverse thread, you can condescend to offer your patrician encouragement.
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