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GoneFishin
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10/3/2012 11:30:21 PM
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Obama lost that debate. He never attacked Romney on the 47% nor off shore accounts, Bain, or Romney tax rates.
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MrHodja
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10/3/2012 11:33:33 PM
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Nor did he offer anything backed by logic or reason. He was exposed for what he really is - a fake.
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HP HQ
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10/4/2012 7:20:13 AM
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It was possibly the greatest thing I have ever seen! Ole smelly BO was a whooped puppy!
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MartiniMan
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I agree and was wondering why
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10/4/2012 9:17:46 AM
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Was it lack of preparation? Did he forget the campaign commercials that they have been running? Was it hubris? I am wondering if they strategically decided that Romney has well practiced and effective counters to each of these issues? Really a mystery to me that he was so unprepared. Really, if you looked back to the primary debates in 08 he was pretty much left unscathed and left the others to pick each other apart. This is the first time he has had someone challenge him and he was found wanting. But be assured, he will be better prepared next time.
But we have to remember Obama has some very big disadvantages in these debates. First of all he is an incumbent so his record as POTUS is fair game. Second, his record is by any objective measure abysmal. On domestic economic issues all he can do is lie to try and spin how awful it is. On foreign affairs his record of appeasement and apologizing hasn't mollified our enemies, it has emboldened them and the middle east is a complete disaster as a result. Third, me made a bunch of campaign promises when he ran in 08 and he has been a miserable failure there as well, even on some issues where I am glad he failed (i.e., closing Gitmo).
It will be interesting how many of the 65 million watching were undecided or swayable. I suppose over the next week or so we will see what happens in the polls. One thing for sure, I hope the Romney campaign donation team is ready for all that cash. This was exactly the boost he needed after weeks of over coverage of flawed polls meant to dampen enthusiasm for his campaign.
Kudos to Rob Portman who really did a great job prepping Romney. I wonder if he threw in the 3,000 uhs, ahs, ums just to make it realistic?
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MartiniMan
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One other question for you GF
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10/4/2012 12:38:31 PM
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As I watched last night I could not help thinking about sports competition. I got the very real sense that he just didn't want to win. He obviously didn't work hard enough to prepare and his execution was totally flat. Is it possible he is going through the motions because he doesn't really want in his heart of hearts to win or was this just a bad moment for him?
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MrHodja
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I Have An Observation
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10/4/2012 12:51:32 PM
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But I'll hold off 'til GF answers.
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roswellric
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One other question for you GF
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10/4/2012 1:34:04 PM (updated 10/4/2012 1:34:19 PM)
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He looked extremely angry to me (Maybe too angry to counterpunch?) It was almost as if he was resentful of having to be there. My guess the looking down was to avoid exposing the anger in his eyes or to keep himself under control.
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MartiniMan
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One other question for you GF
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10/4/2012 2:07:36 PM
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I totally agree with this observation and it is probably the first time someone has had the temerity to respectfully but forcefully respond to his points, policies and the results. I frankly think his anger was with his team for so poorly preparing him for the onslaught of facts and figures that Romney had at his disposal. I am quite sure he is thinking, "This guy is kicking my a$$ up one side and down the other and I have no response". But the bigger question is why. Why was he unprepared? Why did he leave off the main criticisms of Romney that have permeated their ads? Were they afraid to allow Romney to respond and rebut in front of 65 million viewers? The nice things about ads is that there is no rebuttal unless Romney plays an ad right after theirs.
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GoneFishin
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One other question for you GF
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10/4/2012 2:21:34 PM
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Everything above. I predicted that Romney would win after going through the 20 primary debates. Romney's fulltime job has been to prepare for the debate. He continually let Romney off the hook....maybe it was a conspiracy. Obama should have nailed him on bringing up Big Bird, the 47%, on and on. I wish I had been up there........
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MrHodja
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One other question for you GF
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10/4/2012 2:55:01 PM
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Back to your point that maybe he really doesn't want to win. If debate 2 is as much of a country boy ssa whoopin' as last night, you may be on to something.
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MartiniMan
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I hear ya
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10/4/2012 2:58:56 PM
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If you followed some of the tweets on the left they felt pretty much the same way. Believe me, I can fully appreciate your frustration as I found myself shouting at the TV screen during McCain-Obama debates in 2008. Very frustrating when you are in that position and think there are points to be scored that are just not being raised.
I would say the point about Romney prepping for debates for years is probably only true in the sense that he recently went through a contentious primary while Obama skated. Also, Obama has only subjected himself to cream puff questions (other than Univision) from fawning journalists for the last four years. This is the first time he has been truly challenged and he was not ready. And I actually don't think he can make the shift in just two remaining debates. It took Romney literally dozens of debates to hone his responses and Obama does not have that luxury.
He will do better but again, he can raise all these side issues (47%, Romney's tax returns, Bain, etc.) but when he does he gives Romney a forum to respond in front of tens of millions of Americans, a luxury he does not have with attack ads. And lets face it, Obama does not have much in the way of accomplishments to tout. The economy is a wreck, the middle east is falling apart, the deficits have soared beyond all belief, etc. He has the very same headwinds that McCain had in 2008 and then some.
I saw a great picture of a smiling George Bush with the caption, "If Obama is elected for a second term, just think of the mess he will inherit this time!" Pretty funny.....and insightful. He may be better off losing a preserving his legacy as the first black POTUS instead of the Second and third coming of Jimmy Carter.
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JohnGalt
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One other question for you GF
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10/4/2012 4:24:33 PM
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He would have knocked the 47% issue out of the park.
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GoneFishin
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One other question for you GF
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10/4/2012 4:29:57 PM
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Romney continues o change positions and Obama was caught flatfooted. After all, he certainly performed well against Hillary and McCain in 2008.
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MartiniMan
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One other question for you GF
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10/4/2012 4:32:58 PM
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I tend to agree that his response would have allowed him to turn the tables on Obama, Have also heard that there is some fear about the recent tapes/videos of Obama but I really can't understand that. I have seen and heard both of them and neither are surprising or scandalous. The guy is a big government liberal with a fixation on race baiting just as he learned well from the Rev Wright. Why is this a concern for them?
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MartiniMan
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Not sure I agree on Hillary
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10/4/2012 4:40:04 PM
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It was a cast of characters during the primary with Hillary and Obama being one of the many. But he never to my recollection was engaged in a debate with Hillary one on one. But then again, she is not a good debater either so who knows.
As for McCain, you don't want me to get started but suffice it to say that McCain faced the very same headwinds then as Obama does today. He simply was incapable and/or unwilling to distance himself from Bush and as a result was always on the defensive much like Obama is today. But Obama never crushed McCain the way he was crushed last night by Romney.
As much as I would much rather have been Obama in 2008 running against an unpopular administration and an economy headed downward, I would much rather be Romney today. Remember, everyone left and right has always said that if this election is a referendum on Obama he is toast. Debate one was a referendum on Obama and it showed.
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water_watcher
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Here it is in a nut shell fishy
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10/4/2012 7:05:32 PM
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Obama, is a very good campaigner ... telling lies and reciting talking points ... but when he needs to think for himself he does not have the capability. that was very clear. He did not bring those things up, because he knew Romney would hammer him and he would just further embarrass himself.
His record is horrible and I am suprised even you can still support suck weak leader.
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roswellric
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One other question for you GF
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10/4/2012 9:07:09 PM
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If a bullfrog had wings...
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