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MartiniMan
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Some comments on the recent polling results
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10/8/2012 5:42:27 PM
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As much as I am enjoying the recent poll results I only take limited comfort because it reflects the squishy undecideds/independents that can move from one candidate to another in a heartbeat and does not reflect the fabricated jobs numbers of Oblamer doing better in the next debates (which I can assure you he will). I am still convinced this is a dead heat as of right now with TOTUS having an electoral college edge. We can't rest on our laurels so to speak as the Messiah was going into the debate. We have his undivided attention and he only now realizes he is in a real race for the first time in his career.
Expect the Chicago-style politicking to ramp up to a feverish pitch!
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ecstasypoint
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Some comments on the recent polling results
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10/8/2012 6:46:17 PM
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The poll bounce is a result of the public actually getting a good look at Romney. Speaking for the squishy independents, I find nothing wrong with vetting a person instead of voting for a party, especially when the issues are as complicated as they are today. I have decided firmly who to vote for. I feel a little sorry for Romney that so many in his party disavowed him before he was ever nominated because he didn't hold the party line as firmly as they demanded.
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MartiniMan
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Some comments on the recent polling results
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10/8/2012 7:02:24 PM
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Well you may be right about the vetting process. My concern with a lot of independents (not all, but a lot) is that they are easily swayed by something like a debate or phony job numbers or whatever the latest piece of news is and will change their vote. Maybe that debate was sufficient to get them committed one way or the other, in this case in Romney's direction, but I am not convinced. I don't care how bad Romney did in the debate, he was getting my vote regardless. And I think the same is true for ~40% committed to Obama.
I guess I didn't see anything substantive from Romney that differed from what I already knew about him. Maybe thats the point, a lot of folks don't pay attention until October and really focus on the debate to decide which candidate to support. I personally can't imagine that but if thats the reality then OK.
As for your comments about his lack of early support, thats what the primary process is all about. There is nothing new to having lots of potential candidates to consider and none garnering a majority of the support until toward the end. Romney consistently did better than any of the others with the primary voters. Some would come and then go but he was always there. I maintain he had more consistent support from the beginning and in the end prevailed. That he wasn't mine or a lot of others first choice doesn't mean he doesn't deserve and isn't getting our full throated support. He is and will because this election is too important to the future of the country.
But here's a quick question for you. How much of his current support from Independents do you think he can hold onto by Nov 6? That really is the key and if it doesn't change from today then he wins in a landslide. But we know it will erode. How much? I hope not much but since you are an independent maybe you have a better idea.
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ecstasypoint
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Some comments on the recent polling results
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10/8/2012 7:16:01 PM
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The real key is that O lost a lot of independents. All that most see in O is a blank slate on which possibility can be written. What we saw, though, was just a blank slate. So blank in fact that he has opened himself to speculation that something really unpleasant could be written there. I think Romney will hold on to the indpendents who fear a listless, lifeless non-leader.
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MartiniMan
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I hope you are right
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10/8/2012 7:42:00 PM
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But I guess my jaded view of the independent vote makes me a bit of a skeptic. Right now according to one poll Independents favor Romney over Obama 51-35. That's a whopper of a shift from a modest lead to a big lead.
What will also be interesting is Obama's demeanor and conduct in the next debate. My guess is he will come out with both guns blazing which I frankly think will be a mistake. It will come off as mean spirited and desperate. And again, he has some pretty stiff headwinds with what is going on in the Middle East right now along with even lower favorable views of the U.S. in that region than when Bush was POTUS. The facts are just not on his side to support his policy of appeasement and I think most Americans know that strength is what that part of the world respects, not fecklessness.
Any predictions for the Ryan-Biden debate?
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ecstasypoint
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I hope you are right
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10/8/2012 7:57:14 PM
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I still have a lot of studying to do on Ryan. the vp debate won't matter that much, but. I do think Ryan has to come out strong.
(since we don't know that much about him and he is a breath away and all). But the heart of the matter to me is that Biden and his boss have been exposed as actors.. In the president's case, not that good of an actor. So a joking demeanor will not help O's calamity. And I don't think Biden has anything else. Ryan, though, cannot be a know it all wonk. I would be turned off by any holier than thou rhetoric. But unless it is aggregious, it just won't matter.
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MrHodja
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With Regard to Romney
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10/8/2012 9:46:04 PM
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I'd like to draw a parallel to the way I have to do business with my customers. If I think that they need five pounds of security I tell them they need ten, fight tooth and nail for seven, and eventually, begrudgingly, settle for the five I had already decided was enough.
So yes, there were a lot of Conservatives, Republicans, and Conservative Republicans who, for fiscal, social, or whatever reason preferred someone other than Romney. The Primary process was the place that those folks asked for their ideal candidate, fought for someone who didn't really fill all their desires, but came close, and in the end settled for the one they would be most happy with: the one who could beat Obama.
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MrHodja
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I hope you are right
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10/8/2012 9:51:52 PM
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MM, in politics as with life, all is not black or white (not referring to skin color), but a continuum from white through shades of gray, to black. You tend to be at one extreme (which I'll call white, because the good cowboys always wore the white hats!), and guys like Goofy and Archibald tend to be at the other.
And on a completely separate note, the Italian word for left is sinistra....hmmmm.....left...sinister....I don't think that correlation is an accident....
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MrHodja
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I hope you are right
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10/8/2012 9:54:51 PM
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I've watched quite a few interviews with Ryan and find him to be a calm,deliberative sort who has a knack of bringig out salient points in the right amount at the right time. I think his biggest chance to blow the debate is to let Biden get under his skin. He doesn't seem the sort, though.
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GoneFishin
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Hodja
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10/8/2012 11:28:50 PM
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I consider you, Barney, and Martini font friends who disagree with me on political issues. Certainly don't catogorize any of you as white, black, or sinister. Sorry you think of me as Darth Vader.
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MrHodja
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Hodja
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10/9/2012 6:50:35 AM
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I love playing the "sinistra card" with my uber liberal daughter-in-law.
And I've tried to open a non-forum dialogue with you but you refuse to allow it to be it a two way conversation. Yu know who I am but you refuse to identify yourself, even with a promise that I won't share that knowledge with anyone else.
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