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copperline
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Tip of the hat to Gonefishing
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11/7/2012 4:16:14 AM
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Congratulations on keeping the faith, and your cool…. You
accurately predicted that the rest of the country wasn’t as rabidly
conservative & pseudo-patriotic as some of us feared, and that there is
more legitimate diversity of political thought out there than is reflected on
this forum. Good job.
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MartiniMan
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Welcome back to drive by
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11/7/2012 8:17:14 AM
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I hope you can stick around and answer for the next four years or will you be like Archie and just show up when there is a glimmer of good news? I give GF credit, he has the guts and integrity to be here through thick and thin. The rest of you left wing nuts only show up when you have something to crow about.
But for sure enjoy the moment while the rest of us nurse a four year hangover..........as for me, I'm already looking toward 2014 Senate races and the 2016 election. After eight years of TOTUS all we will need is to tie the Dem candidate to the failed policies of the past. Sound familiar?
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lakngulf
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Welcome back to drive by
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11/7/2012 8:58:58 AM
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It is probably best just to let Oblamer oversee the total demise of the path he has us on. Had Romney won he would have taken a lot of heat for the strong measures to get us out of this hole, and would not have taken the blame route. He would have just made hard choices and moved us correctly forward.
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architect
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And:
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11/7/2012 9:25:06 AM
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"If dreams were horses we would all be riding high."
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| Name: |
copperline
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Welcome back to drive by
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11/7/2012 9:47:08 AM
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You'll live. In fact, I think you will continue to live very well. "Rich guys with the best accountants" and all that. Other contributors here joking about employers firing Obama supporters this morning, and you already focusing on how to keep the divide in the country as harsh & vitriolic as possible. I think it's time to get down to the business at hand, Obama certainly did not establish a mandate last night... but we did repudiate the harsh Tea Party voices. Don't you get it? A candidate can't dismiss half the public as lazy & irresponsible, shift & contort himself to embrace both the Moderate & Extreme wings of the GOP, and blithely argue that we mainly need to protect the wealthiest among us. That dog won't hunt. Maybe if the GOP & the Tea Party would get a divorce, you would see a the moderate wing of the party gaining traction next time around....
It's time to come off the political rhetoric and look for ways to come to middle ground. Obama will need to make some tough decisions now, some of those will not sit well with his supporters. He'll have to accept the need to compromise, will you?
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MartiniMan
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Your confidence in Obama is laughable
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11/7/2012 11:38:23 AM
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You accuse the GOP of being obstructionist when the factual record is anything but that. Tell me how many votes Obama has gotten with his budgets? Tell me how many budgets the Democrat controlled Senate has passed in the last four years....hell, tell me how many of them have even been voted on. And tell me how many budgets have been voted on in the GOP-controlled House with bipartisan support that have languished because of Barack Obama and Harry Reid.
So don't lecture me on the Tea Party like they have a corner on the market of being out of touch. Remember, almost as many people voted against TOTUS as voted for him. Not a mandate but he will conduct himself exactly like he did in his first term......he will tell the GOP he won and that is that. Well sorry dude, but in our form of government you need to get the House to pass anything and that means you have to compromise. To date he has shown no interest in that and I doubt he will going forward.
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architect
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Man you are POd
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11/7/2012 1:07:42 PM
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Get over it! Calm down....I believe the nation is in better hands today than yesterday even if it is pretty much the same hands...I really think (hope?) both sides have been to the brink, peeked over, and stepped back and and decided they are now ready to get serious.
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architect
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Oh and BTW
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11/7/2012 1:10:53 PM
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Answer the question. Are you ready to compromise??. Wait, let me guess.
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MartiniMan
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Uh huh.....
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11/7/2012 1:27:52 PM
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You don;t get it Archie, I am not angry. I actually pity the poor and middle class that gave that buffoon a pass on his miserable record. Because like the first four years they will take the brunt of his failed policies. I will still have my millions and the leeches will get none of it. That part has already been planned.
But those in the middle that pay taxes, they are going to wonder why their children and grandchildren have a lower standard of living. They are going to wonder why they have to die because some unelected official in Washington, DC decided that their life wasn't worth the cost of treatment while I will get what I want because I can pay for it. They will wonder why government employees make more than them, have better benefits and total job security while they can only find 30 hour per week jobs so their employer doesn't have to pay for their benefits.
So I am not angry Archie, I am sad at what is going to happen over the next four years. But my friend I will get mine and you will get none of it, nor will the leeches in this country.
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MartiniMan
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Is Obama?
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11/7/2012 1:34:06 PM
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First of all Archie, I am not a politician. And I believe what I believe because of my ability to use logic and reason and an understanding of history. I can no more compromise on the truth than I could wish the sun to rise in the west and set in the east.
The better question is whether the GOP-controlled House can work with TOTUS and Harry Reid. That would depend on whether those two bozos are themselves willing to compromise. Unfortunately, like most left wing nuts their idea of compromise is for Republicans to abandon all their beliefs and principals and do what the left wants. Under that definition, God help the GOP if they compromise.
But maybe the better outcome is to let the left go it alone and let the American people really learn that their decisions have consequences. Unfortunately millions of more lives will be ruined if they do but hey, that was their choice and your choice, not mine. As for me, I am going to live it up and laugh it up at their expense.
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MartiniMan
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Here's a great example of compromise
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11/7/2012 2:14:44 PM
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Hey Archie, how about taking Reid to task for this crap. Nice message on compromise.....I'll take away your constitutionally mandated role in the Senate to force compromise through cloture. Once this is gone then Democrats might as well have all 100 seats. You see Archie, it goes both ways and the very next day your beloved Dems send the message to the GOP "screw you".
Reid moves to limit GOP filibusters
Majority Leader Harry Reid said Wednesday that he will try to push through a change to Senate rules that would limit the GOP’s ability to filibuster bills.
Speaking in the wake of Tuesday’s election, which boosted Senate Democrats’ numbers slightly, Mr. Reid said he won’t end filibusters altogether but that the rules need to change so that the minority party cannot use the legislative blocking tool as often.
“I think that the rules have been abused and that we’re going to work to change them,” he told reporters. “Were not going to do away with the filibuster but we’re going to make the Senate a more meaningful place.”
Republicans, who have 47 of the chamber’s 100 seats in this current Congress, have repeatedly used that strong minority to block parts of President Obama’s agenda on everything from added stimulus spending to his judicial picks.
A filibuster takes 60 senators to overcome it.
Leaders of both parties have been reluctant to change the rules because they value it as a tool when they are in the minority.
But Mr. Reid said things changed over the last few years when he repeatedly faced off against Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, Kentucky Republican, who had said his chief political goal was defeating Mr. Obama. Mr. Reid said that led the GOP to abuse the filibuster.
He did not say what changes he would support, though colleagues of his have proposed several potential changes.
One leading option would eliminate the chance to filibuster bringing a bill to the floor, though it would still let a minority filibuster actual passage. That proposal would also limit the number of amendments allowed by each side.
Senate Republicans say that would only compound the real problem, which is Mr. Reid’s efforts to limit the number of amendments that can be offered on legislation. They said that when they are shut out of the amendment process, they have little leverage other than to block the entire bill.
Still, there’s likely to be pressure for some changes, particularly from newly-elected members of the chamber.
Sen.-elect Angus King, an independent who won Maine’s open Senate seat, also took aim at filibusters during his campaign, saying the 60-vote threshold for legislation to see Senate action is not part of the Constitution.
Indeed, the founding document does not establish a supermajority for most legislation, but it does give each chamber the power to write its own rules, and the Senate has adopted the 60-vote threshold as a debating technique, not a threshold for passage — though that’s often what it becomes.
Read more: Reid moves to limit GOP filibusters - Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/7/reid-moves-limit-gop-filibusters/#ixzz2BZ7iZ9n2
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copperline
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Is Obama?
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11/7/2012 2:31:16 PM
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Wow, a new low for you.
Bragging about how you are going to evade taxes, shamelessly
crowing about how you are going to continue to live that life of affluence and
wealth you so want everyone to know you have, calling people leeches and
telling us about your millions, wishing the country would go off a cliff while
telling everyone that you are so wealthy as to not be affected….. All this is hideous, bitter, and more than a
little histrionic.
You’re right, you are no politician. Right now, you’re not even being a good citizen.
You are, however, making a good case for dismissing you as irrelevant.
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MartiniMan
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A good citizen?
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11/7/2012 2:36:29 PM (updated 11/7/2012 2:46:51 PM)
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Coppertop, you would not know the definition and I would like to say your line about my citizenship was a new low for you but that would not give you nearly enough credit.
How much do you pay in taxes, huh? Because I guarantee I pay way more than you do so by your definition you are less of a citizen than me. As for evading taxes, your dang right I will do everything I can legally do to avoid paying one penny in taxes more than I should. And by the way coppertop, my tax avoidance tactic is exactly what your beloved Warren Buffett has done, except I am consistent in my beliefs instead of fighting the government over billions in back taxes like that hypocrite is doing.
What I think is the definition of a bad citizen is someone that uses the government and their ability to take away from the productive of society to give it to the lazy and incompetent, That is greed. Taking something from someone at the point of a gun is greed, not wanting to keep as much of your own hard earned money. You and the rest of the greedy, lazy losers in life want to take something from those that are more successful. de Tocqueville said it best in his seminal work and you and the rest of the left wing nuts are the embodiment of that attitude.
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MartiniMan
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What, no answer to the truth?
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11/7/2012 9:36:18 PM
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How typical, you drive by with nonsense and when I skewer you with facts you run away like a three year old. C'mon Archie, show some courage and take Harry Reid to task. Or maybe you don't really believe any of the drivel you type. You just want to drive by when you have something to crow about and the retreat to the Jokes forum where you get to tell others how funny they are.
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MartiniMan
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C'mon coppertop, how much do you pay in taxes?
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11/7/2012 9:42:02 PM
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Let's see who is the better citizen here. But try to tell the truth and not lie about the fact that you probably don't pay any federal taxes do you? What, do you make, ten grand a year, twenty? Probably never made more than thirty in any one year in your life. That's why you detest the rich, right? We won life's lottery.......made our money on the backs of you poor folks right? If you had your way, you'd have the government take it all and give it to you because life hasn't been fair.
Don't worry, we take our responsibility seriously and will continue to carry the likes of you. It's our civic duty.
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MrHodja
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Is Obama?
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11/7/2012 9:57:35 PM
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You only wish MM to be irrelevant. You are the one who is irrelevant on this forum. Unlike you and Archie, hiding behind GF's coat tails, MM (and as far as that goes, Hodja) are still there, strong in our beliefs and not afraid to say so. You can't win on logic and reason so you try to dismiss others as irrelevant. What a sham.
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MartiniMan
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Why I hold liberals in such contempt
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11/8/2012 8:16:12 AM
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Hodja: Their's is an ideology based on a foundation of emotion and lies. I can assure you that left wing nuts like coppertop and Archie, if they could have their way, would love to silence us. They try with false claims of arrogance, bullying, not good citizen or whatever and when that doesn't work they will try for censorship. Its the only way a failed and bankrupt ideology can survive. Do you notice they never, ever respond to factual rebuttals of their fabrications? They get angry and frustrated and either call names or go nah, nah, nah like a 4 year old. If they couldn't vote it would be much more humorous.
But you have to give them credit, they realized long ago that they could not win in the arena of ideas so they instead invaded the govt media and academia in order to obfuscate the truth from the masses. They definitely succeeded in this election, how else can you explain how a miserable failure as a President is elected to a 2nd term. The affirmative action President gets a second chance in the hope that he can get it right this time......and besides it was all Bush's fault, right? LOL
Those of us with an ounce of intellect know better.........those without will maybe find out.......maybe not...
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