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lakngulf
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GOP Spokesman
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11/30/2012 2:46:09 PM
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Martini, Hodja and others: Who is the Republican spokesman these days? Boehner--that dog don't hunt, Ryan--was not even a good Veep candidate spokesman, Palin or Bachman--peleasssse, Romney-nope, Gingrich--sounds good on talk shows, xxxx.
And, regarding the "Obama Tax Hide Campaign"--someone needs to tell him he won, now time to administer. But still, we need a good forceful voice.
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MartiniMan
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Good question
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11/30/2012 3:01:46 PM
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Frankly, the ranking Republicans are John Boehner in the House and Mitch McConnell in the Senate and for better or worse, until we have a 2016 presidential candidate they are about as close as we can get to having a designated spokesman.
I am curious what your issue was with Ryan. He is a very powerful voice and was unfortunately for Romney muzzled by the campaign. Have you seen the video of him taking Obama to school on Obamacare?
Watch this and let me know what you think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyzpAq5HfZA
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lakngulf
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Good question
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11/30/2012 3:16:19 PM (updated 11/30/2012 3:17:05 PM)
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He just did not resonate, speak to the masses. If we implement his policies we win, but we do not win the public opinion poll, which, I agree, is meaningless, but wins elections. We need Rubio to step up and take charge.
I do not have major problems with Ryan, although the voucher idea will always lose votes, even though it may be a good one. We cannot allow seniors to fend for themselves.
And if Boehner and McConnel are our voices, then we are hurting.
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comrade
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Good question
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11/30/2012 3:37:51 PM
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Why can't seniors fend for themselves?
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MartiniMan
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Good question
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11/30/2012 4:11:56 PM
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I still think Ryan is our guy and there are lots of examples of losing VP candidates that stepped up and made a difference. I agree that our two current choices are not the best but there almost has to be a position from which anyone speaks as a representative of the loyal opposition. Rubio doesn't have that position but maybe it can be carved out for him. Ryan does based on his role in the House where we have a majority. Time will tell......
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h_hob
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Good question
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11/30/2012 4:34:24 PM
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You asked why seniors can't fend for themselves. My question to you is, "Why can't the jobless and welfare people fend for themselves?" I think seniors have contributed to social security and medicare in advance. I will admit many jobless people have contributed to unemployment as well as their employers have contributed. I don't think it was set up to last as long as it is lasting presently. What have the welfare crowd contributed to their existance other than more babies?
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MartiniMan
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Clarifications
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11/30/2012 5:20:09 PM
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Employees don't pay squat for unemployment insurance. Its all paid by the company. As for seniors paying into SS and Medicare, For Medicare the payroll tax only started in 1983 so any earnings prior to then did not contribute to the system. Also, employees only pay half of FICA and the employer pays the other half (unless they are self employed).
The real problem here is typical for any entitlement program.....what it was designed to do versus what it morphed into as a vote buying scheme. I don't have the exact cutoff date because it depends on the individual but suffice it to say that many of todays seniors have already or will certainly take much more out of social security than they ever put into the system......by a lot. That's obviously one of many reasons why it is going bankrupt and why it has morphed from a lifeline to seniors into generational theft.
And here is the real crime here....one that will never be prosecuted. Had you or I run SS the way the government has we would be in jail for fraud and for running a ponzi scheme. Just look at the results of those counties that were wise enough to opt out before they closed that little loophole. Grandma that made $25,000 per year for 30 years as a secretary with that county retires on $80K per year while Grandpa that lives in the county next door and made $45K per year isn't able to live on his $18K in SS benefits. Instead of running SS in a fiscally responsible way they pissed away that money by using it to buy treasury notes...essentially the govt took the money out of the SS fund and used it to fund the govt operations with a promissory note to pay it back later. Problem was in 1969 Lyndon Johnson decided it was a good idea to include those funds in the federal budget and presto.....a big surplus suddenly appears to pay for the Great Society.
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Mack
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Good question
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11/30/2012 8:23:32 PM
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I know you are not happy with the election results, because you never post on this forum. Neither do I for the same reason.
The Spokesperson for the GOP does not exist today. The GOP took a huge smack in November by underestimating the number of voters who are dependent on the Fed for their very life. Those same voters will still be on the federal payroll for the mid-terms in 2014 and for the election in 2016. And they will vote the same way. Why not?
I am not sure that a non-political type solution might be viable??
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GoneFishin
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Good question
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12/1/2012 12:18:09 AM
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It will be very difficult for my party to take control of the House for the next 10 years. Based on the 2010 census, the congressional districuts were revised based on population. Since most of the states were controled by the GOP, the redistricting was, likewise, favorable to the GOP and will assure a majority in the House for the GOP until as least the next census in 2020.
The Senate and Presidential elections are statewide and not effected by disricts which enables my fellow leeches a much better opportunity to win.
A great exapmple is Ryan. He won his congressional seat but lost the Wisconsin vote for President. Actually, Ryan lost his hometown for both offices.
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GoneFishin
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Martini............
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12/1/2012 12:37:35 AM
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You have confused me on SS trust fund. "Instead of running SS in a fiscally responsible way they pissed away that money by using it to buy treasury notes...essentially the govt took the money out of the SS fund and used it to fund the govt operations with a promissory note to pay it back later."
From the SS website.....By law, income to the trust funds must be invested, on a daily basis, in securities guaranteed as to both principal and interest by the Federal government. All securities held by the trust funds are "special issues" of the United States Treasury. Such securities are available only to the trust funds.
In the past, the trust funds have held marketable Treasury securities, which are available to the general public. Unlike marketable securities, special issues can be redeemed at any time at face value. Marketable securities are subject to the forces of the open market and may suffer a loss, or enjoy a gain, if sold before maturity. Investment in special issues gives the trust funds the same flexibility as holding cash.
Where would you suggest they invest the 2.7tillion dollar fund? If they invested it in stocks, they would be entitled to vote the stock and could control major corporations and the Right would be complaining as the have about GM.
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comrade
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Martini............
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12/1/2012 9:10:10 AM
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So lets just redeem them today at face value - problem solved, right?
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comrade
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Good question
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12/1/2012 9:14:54 AM
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I think that in 10-15 years, even the most hard-line Republicans will see the dark and start to take like the others (and vote like the others) no matter what the districts may be. When rape is inevitable...................
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h_hob
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Good question
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12/1/2012 10:25:07 AM
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I'm beginning to think the libs won't even give us a "reach around" while having their way with our bodies.
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MartiniMan
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You really are obtuse
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12/2/2012 10:11:19 PM
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They shouldn't be in the retirement business at all. My point, which was obviously lost on you, is that this is yet another example of the multitude of things that govt does NOT do well. Let me make myself clear so you will understand what I am saying. Social security was never meant to be a permanent retirement fund for seniors. Hell, even FDR knew that when it was created, or maybe he just lied to the American people. Who knows and for all practical purposes who cares.
But if either you or I created a similar fund and sold it to seniors and "invested" the funds the way the govt does (and maybe needs to for all I know), we would be put in jail. In your incessant desire to focus on all the wrong things you again miss the most important point. Had everyone been able to opt out of SS back before they closed the loophole we would all be infinitely better off. And the govt would not have this huge entitlement that is headed toward fiscal oblivion because Democrats chose to demonize any responsible politican that wants to fix it.
Honestly, the ignorance elf the left is without any bounds......
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MartiniMan
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Dumb answer
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12/2/2012 10:23:09 PM
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Explain how it is that Scott Walker won a state wife election and a recall in Wisconsin as a fiscal conservative. GF, Romney lost Wisconsin, not Ryan. Romney was the candidate for President. And he lost because the base that voted for Scott Walker didn't turn out and the independents and dependent class went for Santa Claus.
Let's see, Ryan didn't win Madison or Milwaukee.....well duh! Neither did Walker....but he turned out the rest of the state in a way that Romney could not. Here's a message for you and Archie and the other left wing nuts who seem to want to tell us what we need to do to get votes. You are all wrong. We cannot compete in the arena of identity politics or giving away free stuff or offering up abortion. Why would any voter that is fixated on these issues take half a loaf when they can get the whole loaf with the Democrats? Answer is they won't as evidenced by every moderate we offer up loses. I know that makes you happy and you are more than willing to offer up even more helpful advice for us to continue to lose but no thanks.
Quit offering us stupid advice that is wrong.
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GoneFishin
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Dumb answer
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12/2/2012 11:02:39 PM
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"Quit offering us stupid advice that is wrong." The advice is not stupid.....you are just in denial. Ryan even lost his hometown. Romney lost his home state. Continue with your head in the sand as the only intelligent statement was that they lost in Wisconsin cause they did not turn out the base. If your base won't support your ticket then you and your fellow extreme wing nuts have a serious problem. That is a problem that freedom loving Americans on the left just love..............
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MartiniMan
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Yeah right
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12/3/2012 8:23:30 AM
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If you love it so much why do you go out of your way to give us advice that you believe would cause us to defeat. Tell me in the last 50 years which moderate GOP candidate won the presidency? History GF.........only the ignorant and liberals....oh wait a second, I repeat myself, choose to ignore it.
Romney was a moderate. McCain was a moderate. Dole was a moderate. GHW Bush was a moderate. Gerald Ford was a moderate. And they all lost.
Thanks for your stupid advice. Romney lost Wisconsin because of who he was which is why I did not vote for him in the primary.
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