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Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Real Substance....?
Date:	2/13/2013 10:09:27 AM (updated 2/13/2013 10:10:26 AM)

Marco Rubio gave the Republican response to Obama's SOTU address. Huff 'n Puff provided very responsible and complete journalistic coverage by reporting that Sen Rubio.................awkwardly took a drink of water during his response. Wow, now that is substantive journalism.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Real Substance....?
Date:	2/13/2013 10:37:31 AM

Why do you think it was water? Why do you believe everything the liberal press writes?

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Nope.....
Date:	2/13/2013 10:49:00 AM

No doubt he should hydrate before he speaks because they will focus on anything other than content. Interesting contrast between Rubio and Rand Paul responses. Rubio provided a more mainstream GOP response and Rand Paul made a case for smaller government. Huff n Puff is a completely worthless left wing rag.

As for me, I watched The King's Speech instead of the MisStatement of the Union. Based on all I have read this morning it was exactly as predicted, a left wing manifesto of big government intervention in all aspects of our lives. Which of course has never worked and will never work but hey, we didn't have a TOTUS before so lets just go ahead and try one more time.........doomed to repeat history..........

I listened to Steven Heyward this morning skewer Oblamer's lies and distortions about wind and solar, natural gas and climate change. Facts, those stubborn things that unfortunately will not reach low information voters. He asked a number of his guests an interesting question. Will voters, especially young voters, ever realize that these policies do not work and as the results occur will they turn away from even more and bigger government solutions or will they clamor for more of the same failed policies? Got a mixed bag of responses but the gist of it was not encouraging. Despite lackluster results, most who answered the question sensed that those low information voters will go back to the ballot box and ask for more government despite the prior failures. I too am not optimistic given the sorry state of our education system and the degradation of our culture.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Hey MM, you'll LOVE this....
Date:	2/13/2013 12:11:34 PM

Dem Rep: Don't confuse me with FACTS

http://nation.foxnews.com/corrine-brown/2013/02/12/dem-rep-don-t-confuse-me-any-facts

URL: Facts are nast little things!

Name:	Council Roc Doc -	Reply
Subject:	Nope.....
Date:	2/13/2013 12:14:56 PM

Judge Scalia has been my hero for some time now and last night was no exception. For the 16th straight year he did not attend the SOTU speech because, as he says eloquently, "it has become a childish spectacle". I don't believe he even watched as was the case with many Americans as the TV ratings for the speech were in the tank. Fox down 50% from last year. More excitement at Big Bear Lake!

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Real Substance....?
Date:	2/13/2013 12:43:31 PM

Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then....but only by pure dumb luck.

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Nope.....
Date:	2/13/2013 12:49:00 PM

Good for Judge Scalia. Exactly On Point. For so many years I have been against the "one example to prove a point". No, one example is just one example. No point proven. Clinton mastered the "this is my policy, and this one person sitting next to Hillary is the reason for the policy". I appreciate the folks, and their plight or heroics, whatever the case may be, BUT, make policy based on the totality.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Typical liberal
Date:	2/13/2013 1:39:51 PM

Facts are to be ignored as they might get in the way of a good emotion-based belief.

Name:	roswellric -	Reply
Subject:	Nope.....
Date:	2/13/2013 2:23:34 PM

I watched the Westminster Dog Show. Much more fun that listening to the narcissist-in-chief.

Name:	Mack -	Reply
Subject:	Nope.....
Date:	2/13/2013 7:19:49 PM

Unfortunately, the 50% that did watch his Majesty dump his hog slop into their sponge brains, those creatures have a vote, and a voice.
As we saw from the election, the great mass of conservative voters outside dense population centers, where that 50% exists, do not have the collective power any longer to hold the line against the socialist plague that has come into power in DC and elsewhere in my country. Yes, I said My Country.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Nope.....
Date:	2/13/2013 8:02:10 PM

Your party will never win a Presidential election as long as the base is represented by males from rural areas who are unwilling to move from the far right. The good people of this country are not going to change....you have to change and move closer to the center to attract a wider base. Stick your head in the sand and continue to elect Democrats as President. At least, it gives the right a reason to post and complain 24/7. What a boring negative life that must be.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	GF
Date:	2/14/2013 8:24:14 AM

You have posted a well worded waste of words!!!

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	FOX (FAUX)
Date:	2/14/2013 8:26:35 AM

overall is down 41% from last year. Maybe the masses are catching on.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Question for GF and CU____________
Date:	2/14/2013 8:45:06 AM (updated 2/14/2013 8:46:36 AM)

Could we agree that a political organization might be in a spot of trouble with the citizenry at large (not within 3 miles of the shoreline of L Martin but as a people), when Karl Rove becomes the "cheerleader" for the left wing of said organization?

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	I'll take these numbers any day
Date:	2/14/2013 10:27:05 AM

When you are on top of the world you only have one way to go. What you are observing Archie is the usual drop in viewership after a national election that effects all the cable news outlets except maybe the business-oriented ones. As 2014 rolls around people will become more engaged and viewership will again go up. Considering CNN's viewership hit a 20 year low last year and they have been purging their lineup all over the place I would not take much comfort in this temporary drop. But look below and you will see that Fox still crushes the competition.

Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for February 11, 2013

		P2+ (000s)	25-54 (000s)	35-64 (000s)
Total Day
FNC		1,219	262	490
CNN		416	130	171
MSNBC		442	128	197
CNBC		466	126	238
FBN		58	15	36
HLN		310	117	179

Primetime		P2+ (000s)	25-54 (000s)	35-64 (000s)
FNC		2,078	387	775
CNN		606	182	262
MSNBC		950	250	398
CNBC		1,899	540	941
FBN		56	27	38
HLN		455	166	255

Net	Morning programs (6-9 AM)	P2+ (000s)	25-54 (000s)	35-64 (000s)
FNC	FOX & Friends	1,171	265	545
CNN	Early Start/Starting Point	231	93	90
MSNBC	Morning Joe	443	202	244
CNBC	Squawk Box	126	38	70
HLN	Morning Express w/ Meade	169	96	109

Net	5PM	P2+ (000s)	25-54 (000s)	35-64 (000s)
FNC	FIVE, THE	2,107	379	818
CNN	Situation Room	527	112	178
MSNBC	HARDBALL WITH C. MATTHEWS	750	152	246
CNBC	FAST MONEY	160	32	52
HLN	EVENING EXPRESS	542	132	219

Net	6PM	P2+ (000s)	25-54 (000s)	35-64 (000s)
FNC	SPECIAL RPT W/BRET BAIER	1,951	323	659
CNN	Situation Room	430	105	121
MSNBC	POLITICS NATION	770	183	291
CNBC	Mad Money	180	44	95
HLN	EVENING EXPRESS	585	151	259

Net	7PM	P2+ (000s)	25-54 (000s)	35-64 (000s)
FNC	The Fox Report W/S.SMITH	1,675	286	625
CNN	ERIN BURNETT OUTFRONT	470	157	175
MSNBC	HARDBALL WITH C. MATTHEWS	804	210	365
CNBC	Kudlow Report	183	39	77
HLN	JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL	498	174	255


Net	8PM	P2+ (000s)	25-54 (000s)	35-64 (000s)
FNC	THE OREILLY FACTOR	2,827	451	994
CNN	Anderson Cooper 360	857	274	395
MSNBC	Ed Show	975	224	362
CNBC	DOG SHOW	1,583	455	747
HLN	Nancy Grace	569	174	302


Net	9PM	P2+ (000s)	25-54 (000s)	35-64 (000s)
FNC	Hannity	1,944	394	767
CNN	Piers Morgan Tonight	470	136	189
MSNBC	Rachel Maddow Show	1,110	305	476
CNBC	DOG SHOW	2,012	557	988
HLN	Dr. Drew ON CALL	459	164	249


Net	10PM	P2+ (000s)	25-54 (000s)	35-64 (000s)
FNC	ON THE RECORD W/GRETA	1,439	318	566
CNN	Anderson Cooper 360	492	138	202
CNN	CNNI/N.KOREA NUCLEAR TEST	460	120	162
MSNBC	Last Word W/ L. ODONNELL	758	220	349
CNBC	DOG SHOW	2,089	610	1,087
HLN	Nancy Grace	338	160	215

Net	11PM	P2+ (000s)	25-54 (000s)	35-64 (000s)
FNC	THE OREILLY FACTOR	1,143	294	535
CNN	CNNI/N.KOREA NUCLEAR TEST	448	157	182
CNN	ERIN BURNETT OUTFRONT	346	173	165
MSNBC	Ed Show	335	112	147
CNBC	DOG SHOW	855	238	498
HLN	SHOWBIZ TONIGHT	262	106	188

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	I'll take these numbers any day...WELL
Date:	2/14/2013 11:47:08 AM (updated 2/14/2013 11:49:07 AM)

How do you like the latest numbers from many different polling organizations of the approval of the Republican party in general as well as GOP congressional members?? They give some credence to the need for you guys to take off the blinders, turn off FAUX, pull your head out of the sand and look reality in the eye. Yeah I know..."No compromise of principles, blah blah".......De Minted has said he had rather be in a permanent minority that stood on it's principles than in a majority that stayed there by compromise........He said a lot of stupid things but that is the the top of the heap!!

There is a lot of truth in the old saying..."You catch more flies with honey than with vinagar." The GOP will not get the love of the growing Hispanic vote by trotting out a Hispanic to to spout the same old vinager on every issue save one ...they will not cut into the black Democratic vote by appointing a black Senator who makes Strom Thurmond look like a knee jerk liberal. Eventually the GOP will get the point that it is those "principles" that are being rejected and then decide how to go forward from there. Even beyond that, people don't vote for people who make it obvious that they just really don't like you or respect your right to an opinion! Americans want COMPROMISE and HATE that the current bunch on both sides are hide bound not to permit it siting "PRINCIPLE" as the throw the nation off the cliff!

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	It Gets Better (Worse)
Date:	2/14/2013 12:03:19 PM

Talk about ludicrous.

URL: CNN Take On Rubio Water Sip

Name:	Mack -	Reply
Subject:	Nope.....
Date:	2/14/2013 12:41:18 PM

If moving toward the center means agreeing for our government to cover trillions in debt with more spending and more debt, then I will stay right. Sooner or later, Rep or Dem, CNN or Fox, our debt rating will fall. And those guys across the Pacific holding a ton of our paper will come looking for payment in something other than more paper. At that point, they will tell the POTUS/Congress/Treasury what is going to happen, and when. Sort of like a Foreclosure, you know??

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Changing the subject?
Date:	2/14/2013 1:10:32 PM

I was merely responding to your post about Fox News with some factual numbers and some commentary about why all viewership is down and you now want to talk about something else?!? Very curious that when you made your comment and I followed it with factual information about how Fox News crushes the other cable news outlets you suddenly want to talk about anything else.

I will leave my response to speak for itself but it clearly points out that Fox is by far the most popular cable news outlet. As a friend used to say, DWIP......deal with it please. If you want to talk about approval ratings maybe you should start another thread. And start with TOTUS' approval numbers back down to 46%.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Explains why CNN is headed into the toilet
Date:	2/14/2013 1:17:21 PM

Yes, between that and asteroids being caused by global warming.....which by the way hasn't happened during the last decade.....one can understand why layoffs and firings are pretty much a daily occurrences at CNN these days. What is Solobad Obrien doing these days anyway? And poor Piers Morgan....with the death of Christopher Dorner his ratings have fallen by 20%. Shame he doesn't have more family members to boost him back up.

I have to admit, I would never have thought a network could systematically destroy itself but CNN is proving otherwise.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Explains why CNN is headed into the toilet
Date:	2/14/2013 3:53:23 PM

I don't know when their downfall started, because years ago CNN was a reputable place to get unfiltered news of national and world events. I first became disillusioned one Summer day before the 2008 election while I was in the Crown Room at JFK waiting for my flight to Rome. The television was on CNN, and for about three hours straight the coverage was nothing but Obama and it was all positive...I thought to myslef then that they should rername themselves ONN, Obama News Network. And it has been on a downhill slide ever since.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Reply to MM's reply
Date:	2/15/2013 8:07:10 AM (updated 2/15/2013 8:24:39 AM)

I was merely making a factual rejoinder to another poster concerning the 50% drop in SOTU viewers on FOX, and supplementing my comments with additional polling facts which demonstrate the depths to which the GOP brand has sunk. I then made editorial comments (biased for sure...that is the nature of the beast) appropriate to the data.

Now as another response to your reply....What poll do you see that shows Obama approval so low? All the polls I see ( including your favorite Rasmussen at 56% approval) show him in very good position with most above 50% approval or at least with a wide gap between approval / disapproval to the positive side. But you know, even if the president drops to 46% he is still 25%+/- ahead of the GOP in congress and there lies the GOP's problem. Get with it or evolve into the "highly principled" Whigs of the 21st century.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Different topic
Date:	2/15/2013 11:31:53 AM

Lets see, you morph a thread about low viewership of the SOTU into the loss of viewers at Fox, to which I responded, to which you morphed again to the popularity of Congress. Start a new thread and maybe I will join in if it interests me. As for you much beloved congressional ratings, remember two things. One, Dems control the Senate so this reflects on them as well. Two, what really matters is the favor ability of individual congressman and I can tell you mine is way more popular than Obama. It's one reason I love here, so I can be represented by an accomplished doctor rather than an addle-brained libtard that thinks Guam will tip over or doesn't want to be confused by facts.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Oh and it was Quiniapac poll from Feb 8
Date:	2/15/2013 11:36:23 AM

Had favorability at 46. Look it up. Just one poll by the way but not a good trend for your messiah.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Just one quick final word MM
Date:	2/15/2013 10:25:30 PM (updated 2/15/2013 10:33:02 PM)

I specifically addressed the popularity of REPUBLICANS in congress, not the popularity of congress in general, so your statement about Democratic senate control is not really relevant.

Now congress as a whole is currently held in low esteem as are the members of both parties, but the GOP is 45% to 60% in the hole compared to 15% to 25% for the Democrats. You are correct, the most important number is the one applied to individual members when it comes what happens on election day, but the general approval / disapproval numbers shows the nation as a whole is very down on the GOP brand and the current antics of Messers Boehner and McConnell and T-party nuts makes it worse day by day. Eventually the false balance rendered by the 2011 gerrymandering will self-correct as the demographic changes pick up momentum.

Now I'm sure you don't agree with my analysis, you never do, but your thinking is skewed because you believe EVERTHING that FAUX says and NOTHING the unbiased polling organizations are telling you or for that matter, anything that the substantial majority of citizens not living in your rightwing dream world believes. I assume we all remember how FAUX's predictions turned out on election night.

Take off the blinders MM. face reality MM.

Turns out it was not a quick final word...live with it!

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Archy
Date:	2/15/2013 10:34:52 PM

What I love most is the DogShow tripled Piers' audience and quadrupled Ed's idiotiac program. None of them even came close to Fox. Sorry, better pick on someone who can't read like Goofy.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Wix
Date:	2/16/2013 9:48:20 AM (updated 2/16/2013 9:49:41 AM)

You must be the densest (non-reader??) one of the bunch if you think the point of my posts in this thread was about FOX!

Name:	h_hob -	Reply
Subject:	Wix
Date:	2/16/2013 12:18:31 PM

Archiebelle,

Read this again and think about what I said when I called you an obnoxious "Richard." You're falling back into your old ways. I guess it is a liberal thing.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Check out their districts
Date:	2/16/2013 5:56:45 PM

Who cares unless they aren't popular in their state or district. These polls are meaningless. And by the way Archie, I don't watch FoxNews or any other news show. I have the intellectual curiosity to seek out my own information and don't have it fed to me by a TV show. What do you watch because it is not very accurate or informative? By the way, did you look for that Quiniapac poll with TOTUS at 46% approval? I can assure you it wasn't reported on the shows you watch.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Wix...I'm at a loss
Date:	2/16/2013 7:34:44 PM

to understand just what you are speaking of, just what put the bee in your bonnet and why you become offended when I ask you to explain your comments. I frankly find it humorous that so many of the posters on this forum use such offensive rhetoric to accuse me of using offensive rhetoric. Guess it is an endearing T-party trait.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	MM As a matter of fact
Date:	2/16/2013 7:44:32 PM (updated 2/16/2013 7:50:09 PM)

I did check out that Quiniapac poll MM...of course as you say, it is just one poll...the same one that shows Hillary Clinton with a 27% net positive and Speaker Boehner with a 22% net negative...I rest my case.

For news I watch PBS News Hour and CNN. For laughs I watch FOX and MSNBC. As to who is getting bogus info...well lets just see how it shakes out over the next few years.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Archy
Date:	2/17/2013 4:57:41 PM

To see who referred to you, you have to look past the subject (the little blue typing) and you'll see who the author was. In the case above you seemed to think the author was me (Wix) when in fact it was (h hob). If you need further help contact Goofy, he seems to have the same rare ability to screw up the simplest tasks. BTW, I didn't sign on to the "civility pack".

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	OBVIOUSLY
Date:	2/17/2013 5:08:29 PM

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Glad you looked
Date:	2/18/2013 8:34:16 AM

And acknowledge that I was right that one poll showed TOTUS with only a 46% approval rating. I am occasionally mistaken but only occasionally. And it does not surprise me that you only watch left-wing news outlets. I am sure their slant on the news makes perfect sense to you.

As for me, I will continue to extract my own information and leave the teleprompter readers to the low information sheople.

As for Boehner's or Hillary's ratings I could care less. But believe me Archie, if Hillary got the negative coverage that Boehner does she would be in the toilet right along with him because those polls reflect back what the govt media is telling them. If Hillary were a Republican with Benghazi she would have already resigned. But Democrats can get away with negligent homicide, and yes, I am 100% convinced she and TOTUS are responsible for the death of those four men in Benghazi.

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