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MartiniMan
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How seriously should we take North Korea?
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4/3/2013 4:16:28 PM
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I have been watching Nut Job, Jr. in North Korea over the last few weeks as he runs around puffing his chest and am beginning to wonder just how seriously we should take these ridiculous threats. Now if I were in South Korea I would be very worried but I am just not sure about here in the U.S.
However, if we were really taking him seriously I would hope our president is sending the message to Kim Jong Mentally Un that if he attacks S. Korea or the U.S. with nukes that we will turn wherever he is hiding into obsidian. But for sure I would hope that some of our friends on the left would now understand why we cannot allow Iran to get nuclear weapons. That is too much power in the wrong hands.
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MrHodja
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How seriously should we take North Korea?
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4/3/2013 4:38:02 PM
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I spent 2 1/2 years in Seoul while on active duty and can tell you that those folks don't think the same way we do, and are exceptionally leader-oriented. For instance, the Yoido Full Gospel church, pastored by Dr Cho, was the largest Methodist church in the world when we were there, and its parishioners would not tell you the went to Yoido Full Gospel, they would tell you they went to "DR. Cho's church".
The Korean people are also exceptionally age and status-conscious, and this Kim, by Korean standards, is still a babe in the woods. He probably is smart enough to understand that he has to do exceptional things or the military will send him packing on the next rocket they shoot. The danger to South Korea nd Japan is real (the Japanese used to keep Korean women as sex slaves and considered Koreans to be "monkeys"), but there is little threat to the US mainland, or even Hawaii and Alaska right now, although the threat increases with each passing day. We do have considerable investments in out military outposts within striking range of North Korea, though, and they could well be higher on the North's target list than even targets in the South.
Hopefully Li'l Kim will get the message we are sending him right now and realize that anything but bluster is a no win situation for him. He might hurt us and the South in places, but he won't win.
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copperline
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How seriously should we take North Korea?
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4/3/2013 5:37:57 PM
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I've been watching this closely myself, and admit I'm worried about what might happen. As far as I can tell, most of this starts with the usual North Korean bluster... but with the added risk of unintended consequences and miscalculation by either side. Agree with Hodja, this country's culture is just very, very different... and hard to anticipate.
It raises a central question to me. Is North Korea a rational actor or a living proof that a propaganda machine can eventually develop enough self-deception that an entire government becomes delusional? Most of the speculation supporting the idea that there is a rational reason for what he does rests on the idea that this 30 yr old who unexpectedly ascended to Supreme Leader is trying to create a crisis to solidify internal respect for his rule... is that even possible in a culture that so reveres age & experience? But what happens if this young fellow believes he is a god-like figure as his family has portrayed itself for generations?
From what little info gets out of there, it appears that the entire country is on the verge of internal calamity almost all the time... poor infrastructure providing inadequate nutrition on such a scale that physical growth rates are measurably diminished, food production & distribution networks are broken down. The much-talked about Cooperative Zone with So. Korea provides one of the only sources of currency and productivity for the country... and they just shut it down in the last 24 hours?! Impoverished, with an incompetent government armed with nuclear weapons.... really, really dangerous.
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Lifer
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How seriously should we take North Korea?
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4/3/2013 5:48:44 PM
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Its not that often that I go linking to m-w.com but "obsidian" certainly sent me that way. Remind me never to play scrabble with you. You have an arsenal of triple word score words....lol.
As for gargoyle jr., I don't think him and rational thought have any relationship.
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muddauber
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How seriously should we take North Korea?
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4/3/2013 6:43:24 PM
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I consider him as a deranged fox. Fox because he will wind up getting aide from us. (nevermind we are firing people, we apparently got lots of money for parties, vacations, and paying off our enemies per our jackass in the white house.
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Mack
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Forget North Korea!! They are not the Threat.
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4/3/2013 7:42:42 PM
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The real threat is right here within the borders of the USA.
During the 50's and 60's Communist doctrine said that a war was not necessary to conquer the US,,, that they would eventually destroy the US from WITHIN. The irony is that Communism has failed, but the US is destroying itself from within. Every day. Without any outside help.
Each and every year since I have had the smarts to realize it, citizens have abdicated their responsibility, along with their RIGHT, to make manage their own lives. We have allowed, and in many cases encouraged/demanded that the Federal Government take care of MY problem. My situation. My baby. My health. My salary. My security. My housing. My children. My debt.
The FED has answered the call. The FED has steadily assumed the duties normally performed by a family, or community, or a state or even a whole nation of individuals. We asked for it, and the FED gave it to us in return for a simple vote.
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copperline
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How seriously should we take North Korea?
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4/3/2013 8:41:04 PM
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i did find a part of the story about the Joint Korean
industrial zone to be really interesting.
Huge numbers of workers enter the
zone from North Korean to work in factories designed, financed & managed by
South Koreans. For the North Korean
workers, working or residing in buildings with indoor plumbing, electricity and
telephones was described as totally unfamiliar…extremely far from what life is
like back home. Assuming that is true,
imagine what the impact on those workers would have when they returned home at
night, quietly spreading information like that to other North Korean people. How destabilizing would that become over
time?
There may be more potential for some sort of political unrest
& regime change than we can know, but since their system has no process for
transferring leadership other than thru this god-like family dynasty sham… (and
that gambit is so completely counter to communist doctrine that you would have to
assume there are even North Korean communists who are offended by it, not to
mention a populace who don’t want to
starve to death). if the young leader
is worried about the stability of his regime, i wonder if that could explain why
his actions seem erratic & even bizarre…..
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MartiniMan
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How seriously should we take North Korea?
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4/3/2013 9:21:57 PM
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All good questions that I wonder if anyone but the nut jobs in North Korea know the answers. Just one story to give you an idea of how nutty they are (and I don't claim this is a true story but one I've heard a number of times). Kim Jong mentally ill dad apparently claimed to have gotten 18 holes in one the first time he played golf. Now this sounds like a silly story but if true, that gives you some insight into the psyche of the father and we know the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree and as we are currently seeing with his irrational behavior. I really don't know but I gear for the South Koreans and Japanese.
By the way, google North and South Korea at night from space. It is an amazing sight to see.
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Scottie
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How seriously should we take North Korea?
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4/4/2013 1:33:18 PM
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How seriously indeed! If you really want to understand just how deranged such a lunatic can be
and the extent of their illogical thinking, consider this.
At the height of the Cuban missile crisis, Fidel Castro recommended that Russia should unleash
armagedon against the US with one major and decisive nuclear missle attack. Russia told him
that such an attack would certainly mean an end to Cuba and it's people to which Fidel responded "So what".
Being in the position that Cuba is in they would likely not survive just the nuclear fallout from such an
attack let alone the attack on them that would likely follow.
Given such illogical thinking, it would be criminal to sit on one's hands while intelligence tells us that the
aggressor is making war preparations, they have advanced weapons and made public threats against us.
WAIT! WAIT! just a second. Bengazi comes to mind at this point. What an example!
The really big question that remains is China and what they will do if anyone defends themselves against
NK agression. All you old timers remember that during the Vietnam war China provided pilots, training and
weapons to North Vietnam and threatened war if the US invaded. So, moving forward 45 years, will China
do the same again and if we do invade NK will China declare war on us? Remember that China has nuclear
weapons and ICBMs capable of delivering accurate strikes against us, all compliments of our buddy,
Bill Clinton. Remember that he allowed rockets from here to be shipped to China to launch their own
satellites into orbit. An odd thing happened on it's way to space, it malfunctioned and China did the recovery
and returned "some" of the components that they could find. Suddenly they could build their own rockets.
IMAGINE THAT!
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