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Name:   mariah1 - Email Member
Subject:   Martin Dam
Date:   7/7/2013 2:48:54 PM

They have had to open gates again. No wonder with all this rain.



Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   Martin Dam
Date:   7/8/2013 12:08:38 AM

Is there a site where you can tell what the real time generation level is and spill gate status?
Sure would be neat to have hourly graphs of the average basin rainfall, water level, generation, and spill gates.



Name:   spyke420 - Email Member
Subject:   Martin Dam
Date:   7/8/2013 9:55:35 PM


Time for the after summer season draw down to begin!



Name:   GoneFishin - Email Member
Subject:   Interesting Info On Martin Dam
Date:   7/8/2013 10:32:02 PM



URL: Martin Dam

Name:   GoneFishin - Email Member
Subject:   Additional Info On Release
Date:   7/8/2013 10:42:53 PM (updated 7/8/2013 10:49:38 PM)

Go to site and hit on River Tallapoosa and Lake Martin. Will give you daily info on gates open. From the my previous post, look at Spillway and you will see a gate fully open releases 3 million gal per minute. Look at this site and it it shows gates open per hour. Based on 3 million per minute or 180 million per hour......3 open gates will release 540 million gal per hour. I think I go it right. 

URL: Daily Gates

Name:   GoneFishin - Email Member
Subject:   Total Volume Water
Date:   7/8/2013 11:05:49 PM (updated 7/8/2013 11:07:15 PM)

The lake has a surface area of 39,000 acres and a volume of 1,622,000 acre feet. 1 acre foot has a volume of 326,000 gal water. I assume the total acre feet is at full pool and equates to a volume of 1,622,000 x 326,000= 528,772,000,000 gal.

I think I am right but then I voted for Obama and went to a government school.






Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   Numb3rs
Date:   7/8/2013 11:42:51 PM

Current Lake Conditions
Date: 7/8/2013
Hour Ending: 10:16:00 PM

Lake Elevation
489.47 Feet

Turbine Release
11936 cfs

If the Turbine Release is 11936 cubic feet/sec, then it is also 338 cubic meters/sec.
http://www.convertit.com/Go/ConvertIt/Measurement/Converter.ASP

Drop it into power calculator with 53 meters of head (guess)
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/hydropower-d_1359.html

You get 158,163  KW or  158 MW

Dam Stats

AC GENERATORS
Generator #1
Rating: 33 MW
Transfomer: ABB
Rotation: 120 RPM
Rotor Wt: 335k lbs.
Generator #2
Rating: 33 MW
Transformer: Westing.
Rotation: 120 RPM
Rotor Wt: 335k lbs.
Generator #3
Rating: 33 MW
Transformer: Westing.
Rotation: 120 RPM
Rotor Wt: 335k lbs.
Generator #4
Rating: 55.2 MW
Transformer: GE
Rotation: 112.5 RPM
Rotor Wt: 593.1k lbs.

HYDRAULIC TURBINES
Turbine #1
Weight: 74,000 lbs.
Diameter: 156"
Horse Power: 45,000
Turbine #2
Weight: 84,000 lbs.
Diameter: 150"
Horse Power: 45,000
Turbine #3
Weight: 84,000 lbs.
Diemeter: 150"
Horse Power: 45,000
Turbine #4
Weight: 118,000 lbs.
Diameter: 186"
Horse Power: 78,000

Add up all the watts you get 154.2 MW
Got it to 97.6% first try.

URL: Hydropower calculator

Name:   HP HQ - Email Member
Subject:   Numb3rs
Date:   7/9/2013 12:20:43 AM

Volume would change radically based on depth right? A square acre at ten feet deep is no where near a square at 100 feet. So how would you estimate that variable?



Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   Numb3rs
Date:   7/9/2013 12:50:34 AM

Density does not change much with depth, water is not compressible.

If you have a map, it will show bottom contours. Think of the letter U.
Where there is dirt there is not water.

Essentially you are looking at the water in foot-at-a-time slices that fit the contour and adding up the volume.

Contour makes a difference in narrow sections like Chimney Rock.
Accurate depth would be more important in wide sections like the fireworks area.

My 2 cents.  Your mileage may vary.....................................




Name:   lakngulf - Email Member
Subject:   Numb3rs
Date:   7/9/2013 7:36:00 AM

Does all that mean that the water feels great when I jump in?



Name:   Summer Lover - Email Member
Subject:   Numb3rs
Date:   7/9/2013 10:51:40 AM

You need to get outside more often...



Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   Yet more inside Numb3rs
Date:   7/9/2013 1:05:16 PM

Martin dam has 20 spillway gates that are 30 feet by 16 feet in dimension. The gates are opened as needed in the following sequence: 5-11-3-9-7-1-10-6-12-8-4-2-20-19-18-17-16-15-13-14 (left to right in the picture). The first 12 gates opened are above the basin. The capacity of each gate is 3,016,000 gallons per minute (6,700 cfs).

6700 foot^3  189.7228721664 meter^3
----------- = ----------------------
 second       second    
     (volume flow rate)     

Each gate will flow 190 cubic meters/sec
Guess 50 meters of head
You get spillway loss of 83,876 kw or 84 MW per gate
All 20 gates would be 1677 MW

Total generation is 154 MW or 213,000 horsepower or about a thousand car motors.
So two spill gates at 168 MW are more than the full generation capacity.

So whats the power check look like full blast?
154 MW times $.07/KWH or $70/MWH = $10,780 per hour or $7.76 million per month
Of course average reality is a fraction of this...ain't that much water.

So what's the spill gate loss?
84MW times $70/MWH = $5880 per hour per gate

Just curious. Time to go swimming now.





Name:   JTenn - Email Member
Subject:   Yet more inside Numb3rs
Date:   7/9/2013 3:54:11 PM

That last post really sums it up. It doesn't make any difference how much we think AL Power is doing,their going to do whatever they think best for them with minor regards to everything else.



Name:   Summer Lover - Email Member
Subject:   Beauty eh?
Date:   7/9/2013 4:28:49 PM

Go jump in the lake hoser....



Name:   mariah1 - Email Member
Subject:   Yet more inside Numb3rs
Date:   7/9/2013 7:27:21 PM

Actually if you go on the dam tour you will find out where the 21st gate is located.



Name:   crappyattitude - Email Member
Subject:   Take off, eh....
Date:   7/10/2013 7:49:18 AM


Crappy : )

(Just outside of Nashville)



Name:   bushhog - Email Member
Subject:   Yet more inside Numb3rs...why ???
Date:   7/10/2013 9:21:40 AM


These people need to get a life !!!  Go and enjoy Chimney Rock on Saturday afternoon.  And don't look at the different level of rock !!  Get a life !



Name:   HP HQ - Email Member
Subject:   Yet more inside Numb3rs...why ???
Date:   7/10/2013 2:09:32 PM

Lmao!! Funny



Name:   UncleSam - Email Member
Subject:   Yet more inside Numb3rs...why ???
Date:   7/10/2013 4:15:52 PM

While they are busy getting a life, you can busy yourself by learning the difference between Chimney Rock and Acapulco Rock.



Name:   CAT BOAT - Email Member
Subject:   Yet more inside Numb3rs...why ???
Date:   7/10/2013 6:04:36 PM

Uh oh.




Name:   crappyattitude - Email Member
Subject:   Just be happy...
Date:   7/11/2013 12:55:26 PM


That you have water NEAR the flood gates. Up here, the water hasn't been anywhere near the floodgates in years. Other than during floods... then it is released as quickly as they can... Just ask TallCotton about it.

http://www.wjle.com/news/2011/center-hill-dam-rehab-transitions-next-phase

Crappy : )

(Just outside of Nashville)



Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   Yet more inside Numb3rs
Date:   10/10/2021 11:00:52 AM (updated 10/10/2021 11:11:54 AM)

ain't that much water...................................


Just noticed the figures for how much water.


Generation capacity is 183MW. Cannot be continuous because of lack of water.

Annual generation is 327 MKwH.


So what would yearly (8760 hours/year) generation be at full tilt? 1603080 MWH/year

So what is the duty cycle or percent of full blast generation in reality?

327 MKwH/1603080 MKwH

Looks like about 20% of full generation used yearly on average.

So whats the power check look like full blast?
154 MW times $.07/KWH or $70/MWH = $10,780 per hour or $7.76 million per month
Of course average reality is a fraction of this...ain't that much water.

So the power check is derated to 20%.

Martin Dam makes $2156/hour or $1.55 million/month on yearly average @ 7 cents/KwH












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