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Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   TRUE ORIGINS OF CLIMATE CHANGE
Date:   8/4/2013 9:20:12 AM (updated 8/4/2013 9:22:38 AM)

Meteorologist Tom Wysmuller: ‘<em>The Recent Temperature and CO2 Disconnect’ – even going back ten centuries, there have been total disconnects between temperature and the CO2 impact, or lack thereof. 

“F<em>rom 1000AD to 1800, over a period of relatively stable CO2 values that bounced around the 280ppm level, temperatures plummeted in the Little Ice Age (LIA) and then rebounded over a century later.  CO2 values neither led nor followed the temperature declines and recoveries…CO2 seems to have had little impact in eITHeR direction on the observed temperatures over that 10k year period…If CO2 is to be considered a major driver of temperatures, it is doing a counterintuitive dance around the numbers.’

Stott wrote in 2008.

<em>“As I have said, over and over again, the fundamental point has always been this: climate change is governed by hundreds of factors, or variables, and the very idea that we can manage climate change predictably by understanding and manipulating at the margins one politically-selected factor (CO2), is as misguided as it gets,”

It is not simply, the sun or CO2 when looking at global temperatures, it is the Sun, volcanoes, tilt of the earth’s axis, water vapor, methane, clouds, ocean cycles, plate tectonics, albedo, atmospheric dust, Atmospheric Circulation, cosmic rays, particulates like Carbon Soot, forests and land use, etc. Climate change is governed by hundreds of factors, or variables, not just CO2.<em> 

 

 

http://www.humanevents.com/2013/05/14/global-warming/





Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   (format gremlims)
Date:   8/4/2013 9:26:38 AM


Once again - the gross formatting errors, stray capitalizations, and appearing codes above are ENTIRELY the result of bugs in the LMF posting mechanism.



Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
Subject:   TRUE ORIGINS OF CLIMATE CHANGE
Date:   8/5/2013 9:07:31 AM

Of all the various so-called climate experts the one group who study the climate, meteorologists, are among the most skeptical of AGW and even the ability to predict long-term climate trends.  No surprise.  They know how complex it is to predict the weather three days from now, let alone 50 years.  Another group famously skeptical (including yours truly) are geophysicists.  We understand climate from the long-term perspective and are naturally skeptical of models of complex, poorly understood systems with a multitude of factors that are unknown and have to be assumed. Combine all that with the research money trail and it leads to all sorts of mischief ala East Anglia, IPCC, Algore, etc.

Fools and their money...........



Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   TRUE ORIGINS OF CLIMATE CHANGE
Date:   8/5/2013 12:09:11 PM

If this were science… the Scientific Method would be used. But… instead political methods DICTATE rather than debate and review.

As I have stated over a year ago, I am still willing to debate ANY AGW in this forum.

…and I am still waiting.





Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
Subject:   Don't hold your breath
Date:   8/5/2013 12:38:49 PM

Although that would reduce CO2 levels......there is no debate possible because the vast majority of AGW adherents view this as a religion based on faith and any scientific discussion is really heresy and they don't want to engage in a debate that they simply cannot win.......liberals, believing so much that just isn't so.







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