Forum Thread

Lake Pepin Topics

(Lake Pepin Specific)

0 messages

Updated

Off-Topic

Lakes Online Forum

83,623 messages

Updated 5/13/2024 10:35:33 PM

Boat Maintenance

Lakes Online Forum

5,193 messages

Updated 4/3/2024 3:47:36 AM

Lake Pepin Fishing

(Lake Pepin Specific)

0 messages

Updated

Jokes

Lakes Online Forum

4,169 messages

Updated 4/15/2024 11:05:05 PM

Sports

Lakes Online Forum

4,260 messages

Updated 3/24/2024 9:24:45 AM

Grilling & Recipes

Lakes Online Forum

2,976 messages

Updated 3/20/2024 11:53:43 PM

Tallapoosa River Topics

Lakes Online Forum

98 messages

Updated 4/15/2024 1:00:58 AM

Forum Usage Rules

Name:	Mike Hunt -	Reply
Subject:	probably my last post
Date:	9/5/2013 10:26:32 AM

The natives are getting restless so Bruce will probably get a bunch of emails requesting I be ejaculated from the forum but here goes.

To the people of PP. It is not that I have anything against you. The few people that I know who live there are fine folks. My problem is with the people that think just because you do not live there and don't have secret information that they have that you do not have a right to take a position as to whether or not PP is good for Lake Martin.

Lets face facts, PP bills itself as a "trailer park" on its web site. It is covered with mobile homes and trailers, some of which have had endless homemade additions, many of which were not permitted. The septic system is inadequate as has been determined by the proper authorities. Some of the residents turned the park in to authorities for having faulty septic tanks, multiple hookups to single dwelling septic tanks and field lines running to close to the lake with improper percolation or no perk tests whatsoever. In addition, there have been found to be discharges into Lake Martin. Some say it is grey water other say otherwise. It doesn't matter, there should be no such discharges.

The county health authorities have addressed the issue with APCO and the lessee was given the opportunity to fix the problem. The lessee after having taken multiple bids, appears to have determined that the cost removing improper septic systems and installing new ones would be in the milllion dollar range and thus cost prohibitive.

At that point APCO made the determination that in the interest of the share holders of SO, that the prudent policy would be to not renew the lease and to have the trailer owners remove their trailers and add ons.

The real question is what is the greatest good for the greatest number and I think APCO came up with the right answer. Many of you post that the trailer at PP is just a weekend place and that you live in a 5000 sqft home as your full time residence. To those of you for whom this is true, ask yourself the question, would I want PP sans the lake to be located across the street from of appurtenant to my full time residence. I think the answer is obvious.

Well guess what, PP is next door to, around the corner from, and across the street from lots of full time 5000sqft residences.

Would you want people coming to your neighborhood parking trailers with inadequate septic systems, unpermitted homemade additions and dumping "grey water" into the public park. If you say yes then you are a liar.

What would happen to the lake if all 760 miles of shore were turned into PP, with a population density and housing density like PP. And septic systems like PP. I can tell you, NO ONE WOULD WANT TO BE HERE.

Next question is, If PP can have unpermitted structures and unpermitted septic systems and discharges into lake Martin why shouldn't everybody?

It is like Coach Saban said, we live in a society where people don't want to follow the rules. If you make a rule that you have to have your dog on a leash, somebody is going to want to not have their dog on a leash.

And interestingly enough the people that don't want to follow the rules regarding permiting, sewage control, and vacating when told to do so by the property owner, are the same people that seek to have Bruce ejaculate me from the forum because, in there mind I have violated some vague rule, which only Bruce has the authority to determine if it has been violated. Since it is his money, I have no problem with that.

Well now it is your turn to respond to the above by telling me that I can't say that because I don't know the hole story. Too late for that, I said it.

Name:	LoveCamping -	Reply
Subject:	I say don't leave but chill a bit
Date:	9/5/2013 10:52:55 AM

Actually, I do like a good debate and honest exchange of views. I think you have every right to your opinion as well as others have a right to theirs. Having said that, when I first read your post to montmom I had good a good laugh and figured you were probably angry at the female side of the house because of a bad divorce or something. Then the human aspect entered and I thought of the lady who you insulted in a pretty aggressive way. I thought of the women I know and then wondered what my reaction would have been if you would have made that comment to one near and dear to me. I would not be a pretty one I can assure you.

Anyway dude, I hope you don't leave but do hope you tone it down when it comes to my favorite side of the two genders.

Name:	weagle89 -	Reply
Subject:	I say don't leave but chill a bit
Date:	9/5/2013 11:46:40 AM

I don't mind his opinions either....but with his "Mike Hunt" and "KizmaAnuice" names it is obvious to me that he is a pot-stirrer...maybe he could just grow up a little bit.

Name:	MAJ USA RET -	Reply
Subject:	probably my last post
Date:	9/5/2013 11:51:10 AM

Nope… shouldn’t be your last post. Making mid-course adjustments is part of life.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Rev. Dr. M. Hunt makes good points
Date:	9/5/2013 12:49:42 PM

Mr. Hunt makes some good points concerning the Pleasure Point Trailer Court. The facts are pretty simple. The trailer space renters, who knows how many, have been caught violating all sorts of health and septic tank laws. The real question I would like to have answered by the Health Dept. is: Can you put that many septic tanks on that property with lots that small, under any conditions. It has been reported that the lots are about 1/3 of an acre on average, and from what I've seen many of the trailers are on much smaller lots. My guess is the only possibilities include reducing the number of trailers to allow for space for septic tanks and field lines, or installing a central sewer system, which will be very expensive. Regardless of the options, some residents are not going to be happy, but to those oversensitive souls that are offended by posts on this website, may I remind you all that you collectively as a trailer park have been knowingly violating health laws. You saved a few bucks, but now it's time to pay up. Whatever the outcome, hopefully the lake will be prettier and cleaner as a result.

Name:	whitebass -	Reply
Subject:	Rev. Dr. M. Hunt makes good points
Date:	9/5/2013 4:04:35 PM

URL: IS THIS NOT WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT IN THE END .

Name:	Julio -	Reply
Subject:	probably my last post
Date:	9/5/2013 4:28:14 PM

MH, I'm a resident of the park with first hand knowledge of the situation. There are a number of misstatements in your post: 1. There have been no discharges into the lake, gray water or otherwise. The Outlook article even specifically pointed out that there were no findings of that by the Health Dept. 2. The plan being put forth by the residents is to bring the septic system up to code. No one is saying that the park should continue without making legally compliant repairs to the septic system. 3. The residents didn't install or maintain the septic system. That was the contractual responsibility of Pleasure Point Park. The residents wouldn't have been allowed to attempt septic repairs before now even if they wanted to. 4. Your analogy about the entire lake turning into a mobile home park is nonsense. The area where PP sits has been dedicated for recreational use under the FERC plan submitted by Alabama Power. Therefore, something similar to the park is the only thing that can exist on that land. Ala Power or RL or Donald Trump couldn't develop that land into something else even if they wanted. Conversely, AP wouldn't allow a similar development as PP on areas that are not dedicated to recreational use under the FERC plan.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Just aint so Wix
Date:	9/5/2013 4:28:29 PM

From what I have experienced trying to find a code, much less an enforcement agent, in Tallapoosa county is like looking for Unicorns. Some believe, and some even claim to have seen one but I haven't seen one. And I looked pretty hard. Secondly, most of those places went in before there were any septic codes at all. They have only had codes regulating septic systems here for about 15 years. I would bet money the ones "built" in that time meet code.

I am certain there are places in there that do not meet current code, but there are thousand of those around the lake. So your claim that basically everyone in the Park is breaking the law is patently false.

Name:	whitebass -	Reply
Subject:	Just aint so Wix
Date:	9/5/2013 4:48:36 PM

THANK YOU LIFER FOR YOUR COMMENTS ....

Name:	laketimelover -	Reply
Subject:	probably my last post
Date:	9/5/2013 4:51:27 PM

There is a huge difference in intelligent debate about issues and insulting people just because you're on a blog and you can hide behind the Internet instead of face to face.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	probably my last post WEEE!
Date:	9/5/2013 4:52:22 PM

It is a couple of posts too late IMHO. I am opinionated and state my opinions without regard as to what you or anybody else thinks. I will take a position I don't even hold just for the sake of a good argument. But what I am not is rude, hateful, hurtful or insulting of anybody. You, my friend, are all those and more. Ban you, don't ban you, it makes about as a difference to me as rain to a duck.

So kindly leave me off you keyboard and out of your posts.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Lifer
Date:	9/5/2013 6:42:02 PM

please quote the words that said I indicated "basically everyone was in violation"

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	One question
Date:	9/5/2013 6:45:33 PM

Does "recreational use" include full time occupancy under FERC guidelines. Ya'll better find out the answer.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Lifer
Date:	9/5/2013 8:59:44 PM

You miss the point. They can't be in violation of regulations that didn't exist when they installed. Show me anyone has to upgrade until they have to replace. If you can do that I can show you thousands violators.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Lifer
Date:	9/5/2013 10:20:27 PM

Simply put, the lessee who leases from APC is in violation as a commercial operation so the entire park is in violation. Someone posted today that the old lady owned the septic system and didn't allow anyone to mess with it. That means the whole park is in violation. I believe DJ said that sewage was surfacing in a road and they put more gravel on it to cover it up. My guess is this will be treated as a commercial health violation, not a residential which means more strict oversight. Remember, it's not some lone trailer in the middle of nowhere. The problem has been in the news, you've got politicians involved, etc.; therefore, the spotlight will not disappear till there is a resolution. My guess is if the renters are allowed to stay, a central sewer system will be required at great expense and rent will go way up and some trailers will be forced out. APC may turn it into a campground to meet FERC requirements. Just my thoughts.

Quick Links
Lake Pepin News
Lake Pepin Photos
Lake Pepin Videos