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Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   EVIDENCE IS OVERWHELMING - THE SCIENCE IS CLEAR
Date:   9/19/2013 12:59:53 PM (updated 9/19/2013 1:02:31 PM)

"The evidence (for anthropogenic global warming) is overwhelming and the science is clear," Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz told a House Energy and Commerce subcommittee on Wednesday.  [FoxNews, 19SEP13] 

What evidence?  What science? We (real geoscientists) have not seen any evidence… especially any unadulterated data. When will scientists be able to hear the presentation of this theory and see data and experiments in an open scientific forum? (Please Google “the scientific method.”) 

"The threat from climate change is real and urgent. The basic science behind climate change is simple. Carbon dioxide makes the Earth warmer, and we are admitting more and more of it into the atmosphere." [ibid] 

Carbon dioxide makes the Earth warmer? Uh… how does that happen? Show historical proof of that.  Please explain the relationship of CO2 to the Younger Dryas and the Medieval Warming Period.  When was the highest ever CO2 concentration?  

“Moniz added that any stabilization of surface temperatures in recent years was an indication of a ‘hiatus’ of global warming, not an end to global warming.” [ibid] 

None of the AGW models predicted anything but a steady increase in global temperatures.*  The models were inconsistent with one another and have never been presented in a scientific forum for independent verification. Please present this new “hiatus” concept and the data and proof (right now the UN’s IPCC is struggling to reconcile this “pause”).  

* “That report (journal Nature Climate Change) compared 117 climate predictions made in the 1990's to the actual amount of warming. Out of 117 predictions, the study’s author told FoxNews.com, 3 were roughly accurate and 114 overestimated the amount of warming. On average, the predictions forecasted two times more global warming than actually occurred.”





Name:   muddauber - Email Member
Subject:   EVIDENCE IS OVERWHELMING - THE SCIENCE IS CLEAR
Date:   9/20/2013 10:06:52 AM

I would concede we could/should do a better job of managing our resources. There are other events that have dwarfed man such as volcanic eruptions that not only emit truly significant amounts or particulates but have shifted the earths axis what, 2 or was it 4 degrees?  Whichever, That is a major event with long term affects.

Then lets look at the money. Just who stands to gain from the billions it would take on our coal plants to produce the insignificant improvement of 1 to 1.5% cleaner air.

Finally my proposal would be to take China and other developing nations and improve Their coal plants with 10% of this money generating 10's of % air improvement worldwide. A much better usage of money. Much better than wasting hundreds of billions.











Name:   Old Diver - Email Member
Subject:   The Science is Clear, So What!
Date:   9/20/2013 11:56:16 PM


   Global Warming/Cooling/Change is a business. As I have said before, they get their grants, their speaking remuneration, and write their books and evidence to the contrary be damned. Several of the "experts" have been caught cooking the books. As long as it is profitable they will beat the drum of calamity! I have long followed the enviros and not one of their dire impending cataclysms has even nearly come true. But there is no profit in denying climate change.
   Al Gore warned some 25 years ago that if we did not find a substitute for the internal combustion engine within 10 years civilization will end....He said that the Greenland ice caps are melting yet they had to dig down 280 feet to find that P-38 fighter, Glacier Girl, that sat down in 1944. Why wasn't it sitting out on the lawn?
    And now I hear he is out to fix the sound barrier where it has been broken. Shame on those fighter pilots. I would like to watch him put on the band aid. I'll bet they get grants to study it though.
   Let's all go out and sit in a field and wait for the end of the world.



Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
Subject:   We are winning
Date:   9/21/2013 11:05:57 AM

Maj, screw IPCC and the idiot socialists that are still grasping at the scam of Globaloney. Every poll taken in recent years shows that fewer and fewer people believe in AGW. All the prognosticators of doom have been proven wrong. Every year they predict tons of hurricanes that don't happen, global climates have been cooling for the last 15 years and they can't explain why, all the models have been proven wrong and so on. People are slowly figuring it out and even the low information types are getting the truth that Algore is a shameless huckster that made millions on a false religion. If Europe wants to lower their standard of living with carbon taxes and wasting billions or trillions of Euros on failed clean technologies let them have at it. Europe has already contracepted itself back to the 6th century and is doomed to be taken over by Islamofascists anyway. Let the socialists leave the Islamists a train wreck economy......will save them from destroying it on their own. We are winning the war on Globaloney because it was always a hoax perpetrated by a mental midget scam artist from Tennessee that was a member of the lucky sperm club....otherwise with his mental acuity he wouldn't even have made a good ditch digger. Keep the faith and keep informing people of the truth......



Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   BEING GOOD STEWARDS
Date:   9/22/2013 1:18:18 PM (updated 9/22/2013 1:20:24 PM)

“I would concede we could/should do a better job of managing our resources.” [muddauber]

 Dauber has it right.  There are many actions and activities in the world where mankind is cr@pping up his own bed. I say “his own bed” because natural processes (erosion) will erase ALL evidence of mankind within a few million years of the departure of Homo sapiens as a species. And we will likely be the cause of our own departure.

The greatest resource at risk is fresh water. Less than three percent of the Earth’s water is fresh.  Of that, less than ONE percent is available for drinking. HERE is where we should be primarily addressing environmental insults. Google “Copperhill, TN” or “Love Canal.”

We should be recycling and striving for energy efficiency. Wind power is an inefficient blight on the land and itself an environmental insult. Solar power needs lots of work especially with respect to scale. At present, solar power is also an environmental insult. The only currently viable energy options are nuclear, hydro-electric, natural gas, and coal.  If anyone tells you otherwise… he (or she) is just telling you how he feels about it. Your duty is to minimize the amount of energy you use. Scientists and engineers are obligated to improve energy production. 

Toxic substances must be carefully sequestered from the environment. For a listing, visit the NIOSH:

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgsyn-a.html#a

Or the EPAs Priority Pollutant List:

http://www.epa.gov/region1/npdes/permits/generic/prioritypollutants.pdf






Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   want a list
Date:   9/22/2013 1:23:53 PM (updated 9/22/2013 1:24:24 PM)

If you wish a copy of either publication, send me an email address and… the number of requests being reasonable… I'll send you a copy of the full document.









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