Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Hound, since you asked....
Date:	3/12/2015 9:04:13 AM

You asked for specific incidents of Dems undermining GOP foriegn policy.  Here are five.  MM cited one already but there are 4 others.  Now we can get into a debate on somantics and optics if you wish but IMHO personal visits to foreign leaders by leaders of the opposition party weigh more heavily than open letters placed on the website of obsure freshman senators.

Cut and paste does not work on this site for me but if you go to WWW.WashingtonExaminer.com and enter 2561313 into the the sites search engine it will return the article with all five instances cited for you.

Enjoy.  I rarely do research for others but saw you lamenting the lack of examples for too long to ignore.

Name:	au67 -	Reply
Subject:	Hound, since you asked....
Date:	3/12/2015 9:19:42 AM

1. That time "liberal lion" Ted Kennedy proposed a secret alliance with the Soviet Union to defeat President Ronald Reagan

A 1983 KGB memo uncovered after the fall of the Soviet Union described a meeting between former KGB officials and former Democratic Sen. John Tunney (Sen. Kennedy's confidant) in Moscow. Tunney asked the KGB to convey a message to Yuri Andropov, the Soviet leader, proposing a campaign in which Kennedy would visit Moscow to offer talking points to Andropov and Soviet officials on how to attack Reagan's policies to U.S. audiences. According to the memo, Kennedy, through the intermediary, offered to help facilitate a media tour in a proposed visit by Andropov to the U.S. Kennedy's hope, as conveyed by the letter, was to hurt Reagan politically on foreign policy at a time when the economic recovery was working in his favor.

2. "Dear Comandante"

In 1984, 10 Democratic lawmakers — including the then majority leader and House Intelligence Committee chairman – sent a letter to Nicaraguan Communist leader Daniel Ortega known as the "Dear Comandante" letter. In it, the lawmakers criticized Reagan's policy toward Nicaragua and whitewashed the record of violence by the Sandinista communists.

3. Pelosi visited Syrian ruler Bashar Assad

In 2007, newly elected House Speaker Nancy Pelosi visited the Syrian dictator Bashar Assad. As the Associated Press reported at the time, "The meeting was an attempt to push the Bush administration to open a direct dialogue with Syria, a step that the White House has rejected."

4. Democrats visited Iraq to attack Bush's policy

As Stephen Hayes recounts: "In September 2002, David Bonior, the second-ranking Democrat in the House of Representatives, flew to Baghdad in an attempt to undermine George W. Bush's case for war in Iraq on a trip paid for by Saddam Hussein's regime. Bonior, accompanied by Reps. Jim McDermott and Mike Thompson, actively propagandized for the Iraqi regime. McDermott, asked whether he found it acceptable to be used by the Iraqi regime, said he hoped the trip would end the suffering of children. 'We don't mind being used,' he said."

5. Jimmy Carter tried to sabotage George H.W. Bush at the U.N.

On Nov. 20, 1990, as President George H.W. Bush gathered support to oppose Iraq after its invasion of Kuwait, the former Democratic President Jimmy Carter wrote a letter to nations who were in the U.N. Security Council trying to kill the administration's efforts. As Douglas Brinkley explained, Carter's letter was an attempt "to thwart the Bush administration's request for U.N. authorization of hostilities against Iraq. President Bush's criterion for proceeding with a war was the exhaustion of 'good faith talks,' and Carter placed his interpretation of that standard above the administration's."

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Hound, since you asked....
Date:	3/12/2015 9:47:04 AM

Thx AU.  Maybe she will be sure to read it since it requires virtually no effort.  I just realized also that I typed the wrong number in the post.  It should have been 2561314.  Glad you found it.

Name:	HARRY -	Reply
Subject:	Hound, since you asked....
Date:	3/12/2015 9:53:05 AM

Do trips by Billy Carter to Libya count.LOL

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	I am sure they were short
Date:	3/12/2015 11:07:55 AM

once Billy realized there was no beer.  

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	SCUMBAGS????
Date:	3/12/2015 4:45:58 PM

If the DEMs were wrong, ane I agree with you they were, then how do you justify the Right doing the same? I thought the Right were god loving patriots unlike the Left. Do you really have no morals?  Do you really have an issue in Right from wrong? 

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Are we talking Billy Carter here?
Date:	3/12/2015 5:03:47 PM

GF, you are really confused so let me clear this up.  Dems are running around like chickens with their heads cut off about this letter as if this is unprecedented, treasonous, blah, blah, blah.  We are simply pointing out their abject hypocrisy. They have done much more when it comes to asserting the role of those in the Senate and House in foreign affairs so they need to chill out, thank them for saving us from a bad deal and start worrying about whether Hillary gets indicted for her email scandal.

But here's the real crux of the matter.  Had dear leader gone to the Senate and House like Bush did before the invasion of Iraq and tried to get their approval for this secret deal it would have never come to this.  And even if he could not make the case to their satisfaction, as Bush did with the invasion of Iraq, he could at least have moved forward and tried to make his case to the American people.  But instead, he is operating in secret which fuels the speculation that this is going to be a bad deal.  And if the details that have leaked are accurate it is a bad deal which anyone with half a brain knows is way worse than the status quo.

So no one is justifying what they did based on the actions of Dems.  They are pointing out the hypocrisy of Dems and those of you that probably didn't care when they interfered, but suddenly POTUS is a king......remember that when a Republican is president.  As for me, as long as Congress is within their constitutional rights to do something, which they clearly are as were Dems when they interefered, it is just politics.

Some of the claims of treason and violation of the Logan Act are so silly it is hard to take any protests seriously.  This is politics on the left in response to a patriotic, constitionally protected act by U.S. Senators that deserves the medal of honor for preventing the U.S. from signing onto a secret agreement that allows Iran to get nukes which they will use on Israel.  If European countries and the UN want to make a bad deal then the blood will be on their hands, not ours.  Sadly Europe and UN are a safe haven for the anti-semitic Israel haters so they will probably high five if Iran nukes Israel.  Get it?  Got it?  Good!

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Hound, since you asked....
Date:	3/12/2015 7:38:01 PM

!.  I'm a little suspicious of something that says "according to a KGB memo found after the fall of the Soviet Government".  That is pretty shaky as a credential. 

2.  Back at the time, Newt found this outrageous.... and possibly illegal. 

3.  Nancy Pelosi and other members of Congress should not be allowed to go anywhere.

4.  Jimmy Carter was a private citizen in 1990 and held no official position. 

5.  I feel like there must be more to the story regarding Saddam Hussein and the Congressmen.  Before Iraq invaded Kuwait, we supported Saddam in his war with Iran.  And then when Saddam was saber-rattling about invading Kuwait, there were a number of official attempts to get him not to.  Judging by their comments about "saving children", I wonder about the timing. 

I guess we can chalk the Iran letter up to "another stupid thing done by Congress" and just add it to the list.

Name:	au67 -	Reply
Subject:	Hound, since you asked....
Date:	3/12/2015 9:40:34 PM

Here is an article from Forbes 2009 that gives more info on the KGB memo if you care to read it:

http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Hound, since you asked....
Date:	3/13/2015 9:07:28 AM

I guess the only thing we can say is it is a good thing he is dead.  I never liked Ted Kennedy.  He was an arrogant a$$

Name:	au67 -	Reply
Subject:	I am sure they were short
Date:	3/13/2015 2:56:46 PM

Partook of a 'Billy Beer' once.  As I remember, it was rather skunky.