Name:	waterph -	Reply
Subject:	Protected Speech, Louis Farrikhan
Date:	8/9/2015 5:47:23 PM

Obama's former Pastor has "suddenly" changed and now wants an army specically to hunt down whites. Never ever preached on this subject while Obama and family were part of the congregation. Whoa! Justice Department, "protected speach" and will not pursue.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/feds-farrakhans-anti-white-rant-protected-speech/

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Protected Speech, Louis Farrikhan
Date:	8/9/2015 8:17:09 PM

Louis Farrikhan is not Obama's preacher.  Louis Frrikhan is a Muslim and he has always been a radical.  But Freedom of speech is freedom of speech, no matter who is doing the speaking.

Name:	waterph -	Reply
Subject:	Protected Speech, Louis Farrikhan
Date:	8/9/2015 9:02:59 PM

You are correct. My post confused Farrikhan and his former Pastor. My point intended with Farrikhan , does Freedom of Speech permit a post encouraging killing of whites.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Protected Speech, Louis Farrikhan
Date:	8/9/2015 9:35:31 PM

He's an American citizen and I guess his rights under the First Amendment are the same as anyone else's.  Like White Supremists, the Klu Klu Klan or any other hate group.  Like the guy that jumps up on the car screaming "Burn this MF down".  Until they do something, no crimes have been committed. 

Name:	FatOldGuy -	Reply
Subject:	Protected Speech, Louis Farrikhan
Date:	8/10/2015 8:18:47 AM

Inciting to riot and/or advocating violence are not protected speech...........

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Protected Speech, Louis Farrikhan
Date:	8/10/2015 9:09:22 AM

Then why aren't these people being arrested and prosecuted?  It's not like they are in dark corners making these remarks.  I'm not a lawyer, so I honestly don't know the answer to this.  And what about those that write things meant to incite violence? 

Name:	FatOldGuy -	Reply
Subject:	Protected Speech, Louis Farrikhan
Date:	8/10/2015 9:20:46 AM

What do you think would happen to a WHITE guy who told 10,000 of his followers to go kill black people??

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Protected Speech, Louis Farrikhan
Date:	8/10/2015 3:38:36 PM

To be honest with you, I have no idea what would happen. I guess if white people took it to heart and starting killing black people, there would be a problem.

I'm curious to know what you think should be done with Farrikahn right now, and particularly given the climate in the country with groups like "Black Lives Matter" and other activists.  He's always been a radical and given to saying radical things. 

Name:	waterph -	Reply
Subject:	Protected Speech, Louis Farrikhan
Date:	8/10/2015 5:20:22 PM

Would we say that Hitler started out in Germany as a "Louis "Farikhan" chatacter with similar comments against Jews. What happened when he moved to a position of power? We all know!

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Protected Speech, Louis Farrikhan
Date:	8/10/2015 5:41:06 PM

I don't think we have to worry about Louis Farrikhan becoming a national leader.  I'd be more worried about a situation like what happened in Rwanda.  No doubt he has his audience given he is both black and Muslim. 

But, again, what do you think should be done about him? 

Name:	waterph -	Reply
Subject:	Protected Speech, Louis Farrikhan
Date:	8/10/2015 7:12:41 PM

He already has followers. He doesn't necessarily have to be a National leader to general a small militia of 1 to 200 with weapons and are ready for martydom. Saw this on Google on the 1st Amendment.

"Speech that incites violence or encourages the audience to commit illegal or dangerous acts". Not Protected Speech.

A visit from the Justice Dept. with a warning that he is close to the condition above might be helpful. Of course, they have already commented that what he is saying is Protected Speech. So, this will not happen.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Protected Speech, Louis Farrikhan
Date:	8/10/2015 7:50:47 PM

Then someone can file suit against him and fight it to the Supreme Court.  Unless something happens, I rather think this will just fade in the distance. 

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Funny
Date:	8/10/2015 8:04:07 PM

I did a quick search on Ferrakhan and the only website reporting this is something called "WND".  The Miami Herald covered his speech at the church, but did not mention his "threat on white people".   I have a problem with single source reporting. 
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Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Protected Speech, Louis Farrikhan
Date:	8/10/2015 8:15:51 PM

File suit for what? His actions are criminal not civil. One can't file a civil suit until one has been harmed. A suit could be filed in civil court against him if one could prove that one of his "followers" harmed you in some way but to prevail one must prove the action was a direct result of the "speech". Inciting to riot or violence is a crime and should be punished, but we have been shown over and over that with the current regime only white folks can commit hate crimes. Of course ive only heard about one "love crime". That was the 80 something man walked into hiz wife's hospital room and shot her in the head to end her suffering.

You, like so many liberals, know so much that just isnt so. And tell why so many of you libs deny your liberalism? Why don't you embrace it? 

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Funny
Date:	8/10/2015 8:25:18 PM

I see it reported repeatedly when he speaks in front of large groups. It was not an isolated incident. Maybe when the fit hits shan ole morning Joe will report about it.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Was that really necessary?
Date:	8/10/2015 8:57:52 PM

I just thought it odd that someone would make a threat against the white population of this country and not have it reported by any major news media outlets.  The Miami Herald reported on the speech, but never mentioned that threat either and the speech took place in Miami.  The biggest news on Farrakhan seems to be the next Million Man March, which was reported by mulitiple news sources.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Protected Speech, Louis Farrikhan
Date:	8/10/2015 9:10:44 PM

I asked what y'all thought should be done about Farrikhan and no one had a response.  The only one who ventured an opinion that it was protected speech was someone that answered the phone in the Southeast Florida office of the Justice Department.  That is hardly a Constitutional reading of the applicability of "protected speech" under the Constitution.  BTW, he didn't actually say "white people" he said "our enemies for the last 400 years", which some interpreted to mean "white people".  But maybe he was talking about Christians. 

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Isn't it interestig Hound
Date:	8/10/2015 11:01:36 PM

how so many of the posters on this forum consider that any poster who is anywhere to the left of Attila the Hun is (horrors) a "LIBERAL"! It makes no difference what the offending poster considers him or herself...that is never part of the equation.  I live in Atlanta and have more "conservative'' friends and associates than ''liberal'' and more who vote Republican than Democrat, but l can assure not even one of the most right wing of the bunch would pass muster with this crowd!

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Isn't it interestig Hound
Date:	8/10/2015 11:44:19 PM

Define, by screen name, "this crowd".

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Isn't it interesting Hound
Date:	8/11/2015 6:26:56 AM (updated 8/11/2015 6:30:58 AM)

Most of this forum including you it would seem Mr H based on your recent post pointing out that ALL my rants were liberal and that in no way was I an independant or moderate.  Just someone else defining what I am rather than leaving it up to me.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Isn't it interesting Hound
Date:	8/11/2015 8:02:45 AM

Making an observation about your claimed independence and almost, if not totally anti-conservative posts in no way makes me one of the crowd.  You aren't as smart as you think.  Again, post some screen names of those you claim to be far right zealots.  A couple would be easy.  Maybe that's all there are in your crowd.

Name:	FatOldGuy -	Reply
Subject:	Isn't it interesting Hound
Date:	8/11/2015 8:43:00 AM

So Mr.Hound,

    You are what you eat but not what you write.OK,got it.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Isn't it interesting Hound
Date:	8/11/2015 8:55:35 AM

I don't consider myself to be especially liberal, nor am I to the right of Attlia the Hun.  I'm not big on political labels.  I find "RINO", "true conservative" "left/right wing nuts" to be subjective and somewhat deameaning.  Most people are much more complex than these labels and their views are fine tuned through the prism of their experience and what they believe is true (whether it ireally is or not).

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	That would be
Date:	8/11/2015 9:00:16 AM

 Mrs. Hound if you don't mind.  And I have no idea to what you are referring.  But have it your way, by all means.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Hound and Mr H
Date:	8/11/2015 9:14:57 AM

I completely agree with Hound...in most instances people tend to be in different places on the political spectrum depending on the issue and their own experience or perception of the issue. As I say "in most cases".  That does not apply to what l think is the majority of this forum.  Most are ideologues whose opinions are completely determined by politics, party and talking points.  If the exact same agreement (and it very possible could have been so) with Iran had been negotiated by George W Bush, or President McCain or President Romney the stalwarts of this forum would embrace it as would the GOP Congress. Sadly the Congressional Democrats would condemn it.  That is what is so frustrating to those of us who are not on the extremes, those of us who still see the wisdom and necessity in compromise in successfully governing a huge and diverse nation.

It is frankly easier to name the folks on this forum who are not right wing nuts...they include but are perhaps not limited to me, Hound, Copper, GF, several others who no longer post (hope they weren't scared away by the abuse they suffered) and You Mr H in your more thoughtful moments. 

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Hound and Mr H
Date:	8/11/2015 9:55:59 AM

So tell me what ive said that makes you put me in right wing but catagory. Any position i have stated on any issue that quantifies your thesis that I belong in that category. Any issue at all. You tell me what you perceive to be my opinion and I will give you my thoughts and feelings on the same. My suspicion is like most liberals, anyone that doesn't agree with you is a right wing nut. But keep in mind that one of my adorable sisters is a certifiable left wing but so I know the positions, thought process, and illogical arguments so circular reasoning to justify positions won't work. I will hold my breath waiting.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Isn't it interesting Hound
Date:	8/11/2015 11:10:06 AM

OK, I will assume that you meant Mr Hodja.  If that is the case I am not sure where you are coming from.  My posts refer to Architect, who professes to be middle of the road but whose posts are nearly all if not all extremely critical of anything expressed with a conservative bent.  Architect paints this forum with an extremely broad brush, and while some posters are indeed way to the right on things, I simply asked Architect to list those on the forum he considers far right wing.

So how is it that making such an observation has anything to do with my political leaning?  I readily admit I am conservative on most issues, but certainly don't believe myself to be a right wing zealot.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	For starters
Date:	8/11/2015 11:21:17 AM (updated 8/11/2015 11:27:55 AM)

Take a look at :

7/27/15...8:10:05pm

7/25/15...11:39:26am

7/21/15...3:33:07pm

7/11/15...4:06:25pm

6/16/15...12:02:58pm

Predicting the complete destruction of America by Barack Obama is not a mainstream expression of moderation! You are certainly entitled to your opinions...and they are very very tilted to the right side of the political spectrum! Maybe you are just too insulated from reality by where you dwell and what you read.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	For starters
Date:	8/11/2015 12:09:44 PM

I have no need to go back and read what i have written. At this point speaking of Obamas destrucfion of america is not a prediction just stating facts and telling history. For the record, you can marry your horse for all i care, just dont try to convince me its normal. I wont debate abortion. Words will never change ones mind one way or the other but I know in my heart it is killing a baby. If you can live with it I can live around it. Most of those aborted would most likely grow up in abusive/neglectful situatiosituations anyway. In a perfectperfect world they would all go to loving adopted homes. But we dont live in a perfect world. I am closer to libertarian than either party. I am fiscal conservative and so ially liberal. If I was in charge I would eliminate DOE, HUD and DHS for starters. Social security would be privatized along with USPS and Am track would not get another dime. If this defines me a right wing but then so be it but don't pretend you k ow me from what I post here. One thing folks that do know me know that I will take position I don't believe in just for the sake of a good argument.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	For starters
Date:	8/11/2015 1:41:31 PM

I think your post says a lot. If you really believe that stating as fact that Obama has destroyed America is not extreme then so be it. now, If I agree to not pretend to know what you think can I expect the same courtesy from you?

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Hodja
Date:	8/11/2015 2:21:40 PM

Comment was directed at FatOldGuy, not you. 

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	For starters
Date:	8/11/2015 3:00:48 PM

Sure archie, if it makes you feel better i will pretend you are a moderate...lol. I will be on the edge of my seat waiting on your first rant against anything left/liberal.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	For starters
Date:	8/11/2015 6:01:58 PM

Ok

I think the "Black Lives matter" movement us an insult to to the intellegence of thinking people black and white everywhere.  Any black person who is offended by anbody sayin "all lives matter" not due any respect or attention by anybody and any politician Democratic or Republican who kow tows to such people deserves to lose.

I think the provision of Obamacare requiring employers to provide insurance to employees is stupid.  I think it should be against the law for employers to provide insurance and that it should be the law that everyone who expects to receive medical care must provide insurance for them selves with Gov't subsidy only if that is the only way they can get it. 

I do not think the Confederate battle flag should fly over any public building but I think any private person or group should be able to display it without fear of harassment.  I think it no less than BS to talk about taking down or altering Confederate monuments even if on public property. Likewise in most cases to changing the names of streets or parks named after Confederate leaders. Schools maybe but only with just cause. If you don't like it learn to live with it.  I am offended by things I see or hear everyday but I don't make unreasonable demands.

I think the mass protests of a couple of years ago against Wall Street and the so called "1%" asked some fair questions but destroyed any sympathy by their stupidity.

I have no sympathy for the "homeless" who are able bodied enough to work.  They should be rounded up and placed in jobs cleaning up parks and public rights of way for a sub minimum wage.  Every night they should be housed in clean but spartan facilities in a place where they are not an offense to any other citizen.  If they are homeless and mentally ill they should be hospitalized.  I think one of the stupidest decisions of the Supreme Court was to put the severly mentally ill on the streets. I am offended by "do gooder" churches (usually evangelical) who bring free food to feed the homeless at the most public place in the community therby spoiling the area for those of us who work for a living.

l believe any government sudsidy for any profit making enterprisee to promote a preferred economic or social or environmemtal or feel good goal should end immediately...of course that means to oil and gas and farmers and private business owners as well as Nissan Leaf drivers. The same pretty much goes for much Govt regulation.

There is no excuse ever for destruction of any property private or public and all those who cause shuch destruction should be thrown in jail and stay in jail except for the time they are made to repair or clean up the damage under armed Guard.

I do not think anybody who owns a gun is a gun nut.  I do think that anybody who owns a gun and feels he has the right to carry it loaded anywhere he pleases regardless of the desires of the people around him is a nut period!

Now I await your rant against some conservative policy you find offensive.

I also will let you pretend you are not a right wing nut if it makes you feel better.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Hodja
Date:	8/11/2015 6:45:51 PM

Roger, and my post was directed at FOG as well.  I think I wrote one thing and he understood something else.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	and BTW
Date:	8/12/2015 10:06:35 AM

The flagging of so many posts by anyone who is not in lock step with the overwhelming talking points of this forum simply proves that some folks who love to dish it have a lot of problems when it is dished back.  It might also bring into question how committed you are to the first ameddment!!