Name:	waterph -	Reply
Subject:	Questions?
Date:	10/4/2015 5:17:47 PM

Questions BEING ASKED Behind the Scenes in Europe :

1.) Why would Syrian refugees make the dangerous and extremely long journey to European nations and U.S. (who hold damnable doctrine and life-styles according to the Quran) rather than the Arab nations (who are Islamic oriented) around them?

2.) Why has it taken 5 full years (length of civil war in certain parts of Syria ) for Syrians in the particular regions to leave?

3.) Why are refugees tossing out good water and food given to them by western governments on their arrival?

4.) Why are many of the refugees young men?

5.) Why are the 5 wealthiest Gulf Nations refusing to take even one refugee? What do they know that we don't?

6.) Could it be this refugee crisis is not really a crisis at all but a Trojan Horse?

7.) Could it be that we could be looking at the most massive Infiltration of Muslims and the religion of Islam the West has EVER seen in History

8.) Could it be this "refugee crisis" is a planned takeover by the United Nations, U.S. and EU sensitive to the Caliphate of Islamic Teachings?

MANY IN EUROPE ARE CONCERNED WE SHOULD BE ALSO!

Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	Questions?
Date:	10/4/2015 6:05:21 PM

1.  Probably because many of them think that life in Europe would be better, and because they are desparate to find a safe haven for themselves and their families.  The economies of Europe are producing more jobs than the economies in the Middle East, and there is no war going on there.

2.  Probably because they didn't WANT to leave their homeland, and were hoping that the civil war would end.  Picking up your belongings and trekking a couple of thousand miles with your wife and children in tow is a pretty extreme tactic, and one that you would only take up if you had no other choice.

3. I didn't know that they were, and doubt you should take news statements to this effect seriously.

4. Well, Many of them are also young women.   That probably is because the elderly, sick and disabled are less likely to have the strength and tenacity to make an epic journey like this.   Think about it.   Young people are trying to escape war with their new families.

5.  The 5 wealthiest Gulf Nations are primarily Sunni, and Shitte Syrians are bound to be wary of the reception they would recieve there.   Remember this is fundamentally a clash within Islam between two opposing groups,  Sunni & Shitte.   

6.  No, it really is a refugee crisis.

7.  Is that a question or a statement?  Infiltration, really?   Isn't it the same as the Exodus of European Jews to Palestine after WWII?  People fleeing persecution in their homeland and hoping to find safety somewhere else?  

   If your question is whether this massive movement of people could cause problems in Europe, then the answer is that it really could.   If the refugees aren't accepted and successfully integrated into host countries, and experience excessive discrimination there... then I would expect their children to become angry & resentful.   That's not a Trojan Horse, that's what happens when millions of people are displaced by war & poverty.

    I really think we should have more compassion and sympathy for innocent people like these, and quit damning them all because they aren't Christian.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	More Questions?
Date:	10/4/2015 7:23:13 PM (updated 10/4/2015 7:37:20 PM)

Copper:

1. If Iran is Shiite, which it is, tell us how many of the "Syrian" refugees have been accepted by the Persian Iranians.

2.  Europe is pretty much a homogenous society, and they do not willingly accept outsiders.  So what miracle is going to make these foreign speaking, strange customs, weird religion folks assimilate into the European culture?

3.  Why not draft these young males, put their butts on the front lines and tell 'em to save their own country.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	More Questions?
Date:	10/4/2015 8:36:08 PM (updated 10/4/2015 8:37:55 PM)

Those who are fleeing are Sunni. Assad and the minorityin Syria are Shia as is Iran. Why would refugees want to flee to Iran? Why would Iran accept Sunnis fleeing since they back Assad?

We shouldn't accept refugees unless they are allowed to enter the Sunni countries in the middle east. Makes no sense to us but alot to those in Sunni countries who don't want an infux of Syrians.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Mr. Goof
Date:	10/4/2015 10:10:25 PM

I stand corrected.....you do notice that I admit when I am wrong....unlike the four liberals I know here.  To add a fact you seemingly conveniently ignored....ISIS is a Sunni tribe crowd which means that any Syrians accepted by Europe or the US are either ISIS or at least ISIS sympathizers, so I guess that makes o-BAMMIE a Sunni, since he certainly acts like an ISIS sympathizer.  Agree??

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Question for Wix and Waterph
Date:	10/4/2015 10:23:35 PM

What would Jesus do?

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Question for Wix
Date:	10/4/2015 10:29:52 PM

Do you always always come across as uninformed and uncaring and as uneducated as you do when you post on this forum?

Name:	waterph -	Reply
Subject:	Question for Wix and Waterph
Date:	10/5/2015 5:46:28 AM

Take the fish and loaves of bread and feed them where they were!

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Question for Wix and Waterph
Date:	10/5/2015 6:59:38 AM

Good answer, but what about the the next day and the day after that?

Name:	comrade -	Reply
Subject:	Question for Wix and Waterph
Date:	10/5/2015 8:59:37 AM

Arch - Is this your endorsement of Christianity?

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Question for Wix and Waterph
Date:	10/5/2015 9:20:36 AM (updated 10/5/2015 9:33:23 AM)

Speaking as a Christian...YES!  I think the message of Christ has and can do universal good.  Unfortunately that message is, IMHO, being corrupted by so many of those who "think" they follow it.  I personally do not believe a true follower of Jesus would callously abandon another human being to preventable suffering.  The actions of some of the most recognized, not to mention day to day church going, "Christians" today would make Jesus weep.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Archypoo, why are you
Date:	10/5/2015 11:19:03 AM

so excited to make such unwarranted, abusive comments with no basis what so ever?  I was not even communicating with you.  BTW, I was not the one who flagged your post.  Your obvious inability to control yourself is unfortunate.  You really should seek professional help, before you injure yourself or some nice people who may be close by when you head explodes.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Arch christian
Date:	10/5/2015 11:22:59 AM

so your wonderful loss of personal control indicates your devout Christian beliefs....I think not....

Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	More Questions?
Date:	10/5/2015 11:42:56 AM

GF:  I made the assumption that the refugees were majority Shia, or perhaps Allawite (sp?)... but I can't find any reported demographics to back that up.  It doesn't really matter, I suppose, these people aren't welcome anywhere they turn right now.    I understand your position on not taking refugees unless or until Sunni countries take in a share, I'd rather see this conflict resolved by local powers and not spill out of the Middle East myself.... so increasing pressure on the oil-rich empires in the Gulf to take get effectively involved makes sense.

But I wonder if that is possible.   Reports I have read say that there are 2-3 million refugees in camps surrounding Syria due to the war... and another 12 million 'internally displaced' in country.   To me, that sounds like a bigger refugee crisis is looming and the difficulty of containing this problem is diminishing with time.

And then there is Putin, who apparently has arrived to prevent Assad's demise, but at the expense of changing the strategic choices we have available to us (which were never really good choices at all).     I am thinking that we should establish refugee safe zones ASAP, and increase support to all those refugees while they are still residing in the region and before they get so desparate that they make their exodus elsewhere.  If we trap them in place by refusing their entry and then fail to get vital supplies to them, I would see that as a really potent source of increased Islamic radicalism... just like the Palestinian ghettos have become.

What to do?  Maybe we should step back and let Putin have (part of) what he wants... the entire Middle East is a tar-baby, we should know that by now.    Perhaps we should accept that Assad will stay in play for a while longer and focus on the larger, more threatening problem of containing ISIS and regional stability.    Putin has more reason to fear Islamic radicalism than we do according to the geography of that part of the world.  His strategic interests are in the heavily Muslim countries between Russia and the Middle East, and this radicalism poses a much more immediate threat to his interests than to ours.   

Somehow... SOMEHOW... we have to find a way to let Middle Eastern Muslims conclude their religious war without trying to craft a settlement for them.... 

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Arch christian
Date:	10/5/2015 1:09:21 PM

Frankly Wix, what you think or don't think about me is not near the top of my concerns. What happens in the Middle East including the refugee crisis that is quickly going from bad to impossible is. You and others with similar attitudes are more a part of the problem than part of the solution. 

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Archypoo, done been flagged again.....
Date:	10/5/2015 7:20:57 PM

and not by me.  Your three man fan club seems to be quiet for some reason......did you forget their passwords?

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Archypoo, done been flagged again.....
Date:	10/5/2015 8:18:13 PM

It is an honor!

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	You make excellent points
Date:	10/5/2015 8:26:26 PM (updated 10/5/2015 9:04:31 PM)

I think this is a religious war in the Middle East that began in earnest when the Soviets got ther tails whipped by the Mujahadeen forerunners of the Taliban in Afganistan in the early 80's. The unfortunate irony is the "victory" over communism was won with US supplied weapons and training.  The Militants got their start complements of Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. Today it has become a battle between the most extreme elements of the 2 main branches of Islam with a temporal faction (Assad, Iraq, Afganistan, Egypt, etc) thrown in for good measure...a real goat rodeo! For the most part the refugees are non-combatants caught in the crossfire.  They are running for their lives!

I know it is a hard sell, especially in this part of the world, but the best thing we may have going for us is Iran's actions against ISIS.  The harder they come down on the militants the better for the sensible among us.  Putin is a tin pot autocrat who wants to restore to Russia some of the influence lost with the dissolution of the old USSR and he thinks coming to Assad's aid is a step toward that end.  In spite of Fox New's "admiration" of his leadership he is delusional. Unless he shows more caution than has been his habit, a re-run of Afganistan is a more likely result.  Nobody including Russia and Iran actually believes in Assad.  He is just a convenient place to park their Middle East policy until he becomes inconvenient.  At that point Mr Assad will likely "retire" to the South of France.  ISIS is the real threat to Iran, Russia and all humanity and that is where the military attention belongs.  The humanitarian attention needs to be on the Refugees.

Beyond a possible no-fly zone against the Syrians and stepped up air attacks in ISIS, isn't our best bet letting somebody else do the heavy lifting at least for the moment?  The refugees situation is another matter...it has the potential of making the military side look like a Methodist Sunday school picnic.