Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/9/2015 4:17:46 PM

While the govt media fixates, lies and distorts on Rubio's credit card charges....which were nothing.....and Carson's West Point kerfluffle, in which he told the truth, they continue to ignore Hillary's email lies and crimes, the Clinton Crime Family Foundation influence peddling and false tax returns, Benghazi lies and cover up, and on and on.  No wonder Rubio righlty pointed out they are a super PAC for the Democrats. If they showed 10% of the interest and effort on these real scandals instead of doing the dirty work for the DNC as their obedient lap dogs Hillary would be hiring a lawyer instead of being the presumptive Democrat nominee.  

As if the cnBS debate wasn't proof enough they are apparently doubling down in showing their bias and their stupidity.  Unfortunately for them, like when Dan Rather lied about Bush and used phony documents, the alternative media is quick to prove their stupidity and they really hate that.  I know left wing nuts, the NY Times and the networks are middle of the road.  Sheesh, what a bunch of rubes you are.  Have the courage to at least admit the truth......which would be a first.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/9/2015 7:29:33 PM

How quick you are to dismiss Ben Carson's lies as "kerfuffle". The man is indulging in revisionist history and acts like he is being picked on - and then continues to lie.  I'd say that is a person of no personal integrity and that makes him no better than Hilary.

I agree that the Rubio kerfuffle is just that -and no story.

And I think given the number of times she has been hauled before Congress about emails and Benghazi, I don't think you can say Hilary is being given a pass.  And no doubt we will hear more and more about it as she gets the Democratic nominee. 

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/10/2015 8:54:15 AM

Gee, I never remember you being concerned with Obama's lies in his book and about his past.  Carson has done a fine job responding to the lies the media are telling about him.  Tell me how he lied about the West Point offer and while you are at it, why Politico had to revise their false headline.  Tell me how he lied about almost stabbing someone when his mother corroborated the story.  But more importantly, tell me why the media is fixated on this 24/7 and barely covers the lies of Obama and Hillary that actually matter to the American people.

And speaking of Hillary, you must be kidding as I was referring to the media coverage which was outrageously biased in her favor.  In the hearings she was documented to have lied repeatedly to the American people and more disgustingly to the families of those killed and all the media coverage was about how wonderful she did, blah, blah, blah.  If she were a Republican the headlines would have been blaring, HILLARY CAUGHT LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!!  If you cannot see the double standard and the media truly being a supe PAC for Democrats I can't help you as it is so obvious its beyond imagining that anyone with an ounce of intellect and honesty would not admit it.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/10/2015 11:53:42 AM

Didn't you read the thread below? Westmoreland wasn't even at the function that Dr. Carson claims they met at. Of course she knows because she worked for the DOD, decades later. Oops, there I go with the slander again.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/10/2015 2:05:12 PM

That turns out to be a detail that he had wrong.  It was a Memorial Day event where he met the general.  Big f'ing deal.  I care more about what a guy stands for than whether he got some detail wrong, especially since they don't seem to care about the serial lies Hillary told as SOS and under oath.  The double standard is mind bogglingly obvious to anyone with half a brain.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/10/2015 4:26:51 PM

Either Billary and Carson are liars or both forgot some details. Which is it?? 

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/10/2015 4:32:54 PM

My favorite was the way the left and the media, but I repeat myself, dismissed Obamas statement that if things got ugly between Christians and Muslims he would side with his Muslim brothers (paraphrased because I don't remember the exact quote) as just a youthful indiscretion. I don't know how old he was when bill Ayers wrote his books for him but it was much older than 17 which is how old Dr. Carson was when he met General Westmoreland. Hypocracy on parade.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/10/2015 4:35:23 PM

Forgetting and fabricating are not the same thing.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/10/2015 6:29:53 PM

I don't know what media you are watching, but I haven't heard anyone give a pass to Hilary.  Ben Carson is a pathological liar, as is Hilary.  But I don't see anyone giving them passes. And given all the things that have been said about Obama, I don't think you can say he has been given any kind of pass for the last 7 years, particularly by the conservative media.

But the point is this, if you go into the public arena, you've got to expect the lions.  You are going to be scrutinized, any thing you have ever publicly written or said  is going to be back to bite you.  If you lie, people are going to verify and confront you.  You seriously cannot say that Obama has not been picked apart.  And the more serious contender you are the worse it is going to be.

As far as I'm concerned, if Ben Carson is lying about trival things, I wonder what else he is lying about or hiding.  He's a neurosurgeon, so whether or not he was offered a "scholarship" to West Point is hardly important.  And if he tried to stab someone or hit his mother with a hammer, then his basic sanity is in question.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/10/2015 6:31:44 PM

You obviously didn't watch the Benghazi hearings.  The Republicans on that committee accused her of everything but improperly loading the diswasher.  How do you miss these things.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/10/2015 7:47:06 PM

Hound i take exception to your description of Carson as a pathological liar.  Unless you know of a lot more lying that hasn't hit the airways, you don't have a leg to stand on in defense of that characterization.  From Wikipedia is the following description of pathological lying: " Although it is a controversial topic,[2] pathological lying has been defined as "falsification entirely disproportionate to any discernible end in view, may be extensive and very complicated, and may manifest over a period of years or even a lifetime"

Please tell us what it is about Ben Carson and his statements that comes anywhere near fitting that description.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Please tell me you're not that stupid
Date:	11/10/2015 10:23:41 PM

Well let's see which seems more likely.  A guy gets the wrong holiday event from when he was 17 years old or the SOS knowingly lies to the American people and the victims families to save political face from a failed foreign policy.  GF, no one is that stupid to opine that both events are the result of a faulty memory or somehow morally equivalent. You cannot be taken seriously on this issue and I suggest you retreat now.  Do not pile on any more inane comments. They are beneath even the dignity of a left wing nut. 

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/10/2015 10:28:05 PM

Carson a pathological liar?  That is totally ridiculous. You need to stop watching Morning Joe.  Even Politifact has ranked his comments as mostly true. Politico had to retreat on their stupid and wrong headline. Every one of the so called lies have now been corroborated by others. You just don't get it.  The govt media cannot have an accomplished black man who came out of the ghetto and is a conservative and a Christian. If they spent 1/10th the effort on Hillary's many and much more serious lies she wouldn't be the presumptive Democrat nominee.  I thought you had more sense than that.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Read this very slowly and carefully
Date:	11/10/2015 10:36:16 PM

I am typing real slow because your reading comprehension is faulty. I am talking about the media coverage of the hearings, not the actual hearings themselves.  Get the distinction?!?!?  This should not be so hard for you to comprehend.  Read it again.  Think for a minute.  I know you can do this.

The govt media spin was how wonderful she did. Now you go and find the headlines from the mainstream media that highlighted the fact that she lied about Benghazi repeatedly and compare it to the coverage of her so called wonderful performance. I dare you to do a google search and tell me where her lies were prominent in the mainstream media. Cmon, prove me wrong. Make the list. If you can find anything, which I seriously doubt, I will provide you with ten articles about how poised she was, how she calmly answered all their questions, about anything except her bald faced, reprehensible lies. That is my point.....wow, I can't believe I have to repeat this over and over. 

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/10/2015 10:37:33 PM

That is because she is being ludicrous. Comparing the nonsense with Hillary's lies is just ridiculous. 

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	I don't have to read the media coverage
Date:	11/11/2015 9:48:31 AM

Because I watched the actual hearings. She DID do very well, while the Republicans came across poorly. I don't think it is a media bias when they reported it accurately.  And I think the media "bias" you are talking about is what you perceive is the "liberal" media.  The "conservative" media has not cut her a break at all. 

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Okay
Date:	11/11/2015 9:56:41 AM

Claiming he has no relationship to a supplements company which he has endorsed both in person and on their website.  He appeared at their company gatherings, he is on video endorsing their product and figured prominently on their website.  Yet, he claims that he had no relationship to the company and never endorsed the product. 

The man lies.  Now if he claimed to be a politician we would roll our eyes because they all lie. But he claims he is not a politician....

And besides that, having watched the debate last nigt, which was sponsored by Fox BusinessNews and had some thoughtful questions, in which the candidates were allowed to answer fully, Ben Carson clearly has no idea what he is talking about.  His comments on monetary policy were so far removed from anything about monetary policy, it was laughable.  Additionally, he keeps going back to likening paying taxes as tithing..... and every financial expert has said his plan does not add up. 

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/11/2015 9:59:21 AM

And I thought you had more sense than to not realize that Ben Carson's ideas and his comments just don't add up.  Really, MM, I thought you were a more objective thinker than that. 

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Sure you do
Date:	11/11/2015 4:48:01 PM

You mention the media often and don't watch?  Either way, she was documented to have lied repeatedly and you call that a good performance?  You are just as biased as the media.  If the FBI really does the investigation on her and DOJ indicts her testimony will come back to haunt her.  Style over substance......the hallmark of a low information voter.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/11/2015 4:50:44 PM

No, I actually pay attention to what he said and wrote and don't listen to the media spin.  Do you?

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Okay
Date:	11/11/2015 4:52:59 PM

That's it?  So you don't like his ideas.  Fair enough. But to call him a pathological liar, as if that matters to someone that voted for Obama twice, is a joke.  Have some consistency in your standards and I will take you seriously. 

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Sure you do
Date:	11/11/2015 8:48:43 PM

You know MM, I don't think she is lying about Benghazi.  She may be lying about a million other things, but I don't think she is lying about that.  You know I don't like Hilary.  And I am in no way a low information voter. 

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Okay
Date:	11/11/2015 9:01:54 PM

Really, MM sometimes your ego rivals Trumps.  I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I don't really care if you take me seriously, and I will get a vote, just as you do.  And I am no low information voter, any more than you are. 

While Dr. Carson's inconsistencies and untruths and lies and flat out denials might not quite meet the clinical definition of a pathalogical liar, it does cause me to ask what can I believe about what he says? LIke  it or not, there is a pattern, whether it is 10 things or 100 things.  Now everything that comes out of his mouth, I wonder if it is the truth.  And the fact that he is complaining about being scrutinized is truly laughable. 

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/11/2015 9:03:11 PM

Yes, in fact I do.  I'm much less influenced by the media than you seem to think. 

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Unbelievable
Date:	11/12/2015 9:30:20 AM

Not lying about Benghazi?!?!?  Are you serious?  Tell me you are not that clueless.  OK, so either she lied the Chelsea, the PM in Egypt and others or she lied to the American people.  It can't be both ways.  That is the definition of a low information voter, they also don't thnk she lied.  You can have your opinions, but facts are stubborn things.  And if you claimed you watched her entire hearing and don't think she lied you have serious concentration issues.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	And yet you voted for Obama twice
Date:	11/12/2015 9:31:37 AM

How come it is important with Carson but not with Obama?  Have a modicum of consistency.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/12/2015 9:40:27 AM

OK, here is an easy test.  Please list all of his lies that somehow qualify him as a pathological liar.  Be prepared though because I am going to refute each and every one of them with the truth.  If you aren't influenced by the media and you actually pay attention the list is going to be so short as to be almost non-existent.  And for every one of his actual misstatements that don't mean a thing to the American people I'll list five by Obama and Hillary that do.

The fact is I am not a Carson supporter and won't vote for him in the primary but certainly will if he is the nominee.  But it sickens me to see otherwise intelligent people having a double standard for a self made black conservative versus an entitled, affirmative action made community agitator.  It should sicken any thinking, intellectually honest person to see the media devoting the amount of energy and coverage to lie about Carson while not giving a rats behind about the lies told by Obama and Hillary that actually matter.  I am used to this with the govt media and Democrats.  In fact I expect it.  But you voted for Obama twice and don't get a pass just because you claim not to like Hillary.  

If it wasn't important to you then and with Obama it should not matter with Carson.  But for some reason it does.  Why is that?

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	And yet you voted for Obama twice
Date:	11/16/2015 4:59:50 PM

I don't think Obama lied about his life.  But now that he has been President for 7 years, I do question his transparency about his administration. 

I voted for Obama because I thought we needed a break from the policies of GWB/Cheney.  The second time I voted for him, he was the lesser of evils.  I have no respect for Romney.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/16/2015 5:11:27 PM

It has nothing to do with race.  I'm not going to play this game with you MM, because the things you seem to think are "facts" are usually not facts at all, just information from some publication you think has merit over another. 

Carson has written a book that contains some untruths.  He has said he did not endorse or have a relationship with a company for some kind of supplements that he clearly did endorse.  He's not the President and we're not talking about interpretations of national events; he's talking about the facts of his life.  If you lie about your life, what else will you lie about?  He's hardly the first or the last person running for office that is capable of double-speak; but I won't vote for him because I don't think he is up to the job.

As far as Obama, I don't think he has lied about his life.  He, like so many other politicians, has not always been truthful about events.  I seem to recall that we never did find out the real story about what happened during Katrina that left so many U.S. citiziens in a mess while GWB was patting "Brownie" on the back.  You don't like Obama, I don't like Carson, you liked GWB and I did not.  So why don't we just leave it there? 

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Unbelievable
Date:	11/16/2015 5:20:13 PM

I'm not talking about the video business.  I don't know who came up with that - if it was her, Obama, Rice herself.  Someone in the Adminstration made up that story and put it out for public consumption.  I have no idea why, other than they may have been trying to protect the fact that the action took place at a CIA containment.   And this is hardly the first Administation to obscure the facts about a situation.  I'd say the last Administration did a pretty good job of obscuring the facts about Iraq and why we invaded. 

So why have a double standard? 

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Unbelievable
Date:	11/16/2015 9:17:47 PM

They lied because a big aspect of Obama's reelection campaign was the lie that Islamic terrorism was defeated. This event was proof positive that their policies toward the Middle East was an abject failure.....something we know now with zero doubt. 

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	And yet you voted for Obama twice
Date:	11/16/2015 9:20:20 PM

Of course he lied about his life but more to the point, he lied repeatedly to the American people about issues that actually matter. Can't you have the intellectual honesty to admit that for some reason those lies meant nothing to you but for some reason you are falling for the media lies about Carson. Simply amazing.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/16/2015 9:26:18 PM

Because you have a different standard for two black guys.  You might not want to play a game where you are obviously unable to explain why the double standard.  And Obama did lie about his life......recall the fabrications about his girlfriend that never existed?  Probably not because the media apparently didn't care about the black Democrat.  Or how about his relationship with the Rev Wright and despite having been a member of his church never heard any of liberation theology crap.  Oh I could go on and on.  

As I told you I am not going to vote for Carson in the primaries but would over Hillary in the general in a heartbeat.  The worst of the Republicans would be much bête than anyone the Dems are giving us.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	And yet you voted for Obama twice
Date:	11/16/2015 10:48:47 PM

What is so bad about Romney?  I dare say in retrospect he is a much better choice than the proven deceiver you voted for the second time.  He had the Russians pegged, and so far Obama has nobody pegged.  That is unless he is a closet Muslim whose"fundamental transformation" includes Sharia law.  Maybe he will get that wish, at least in some communities.  And don't give me the "he professes to be Christian" drivel.  Actions, Hound, actions.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/16/2015 10:56:40 PM

Seems to me you contradict yourself with regard to Obama's truthfulness.  Obama is a slave to politics and will do whatever is politically expedient, no matter whether is is truthful or not.  That you continue to try to paint him with a different brush is telling.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	And yet you voted for Obama twice
Date:	11/17/2015 8:23:58 AM

You know I used to scoff at people that said he is a Muslim but you are exactly right.  When you look at his actions it seems almost inexplaicable, unless he is a Muslim.  I have come to the conclusion that he is lying about his faith as well as everything else he lied about.  Hound has too much pride to admit that she made a mistake voting for Obama.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Unbelievable
Date:	11/18/2015 3:37:20 PM

I don't recall anyone saying that Islamic terrorism was dead.   I think what they said was that it was under control.  People were very optimistic about the "Arab Spring", but of course we now know that that has inflamed things more than it has helped anything. 

You know that Ambassador Stephens was convinced that the downfall of Kadafi would herald a new democracy in Libya.  He was wrong about that and paid for it with his life. 

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Okay
Date:	11/18/2015 3:46:33 PM

Here's another one on Ben Carson.  Over the weekend, a commentator on Fox news asked Carson who would he call first to set up a coalition.  He had no answer.  He mumbled something about Middle Eastern Countries and our allies.  So the commenator pressed him more and asked him "who would you call first" and he was like a deer in the headlights.  One of this campaign people said "he doesn't like theoretical questions... then someone else said he is playing "catch up" to learn about foreign policy.  One CIA guy who is one of his advisors said they have to talk to him daily about foreign policy because he just doesn't get it. 

I'm sorry, I don't know what lies Obama has told about his life.  And as I have already pointed out to you, he is hardly the first President to lie about national security.  GWB did a fine job of it on Iraq, on Katrina, to name two. 

I don't think it is intellectually honest of you to refuse that point as the truth.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	And yet you voted for Obama twice
Date:	11/18/2015 3:49:16 PM

Romney is nothing more than a wealthy man looking to put another notch in his belt of accomplishments.  I would have voted for a blue dog before I would have voted for him.  And I l believe he would have been weaker than Obama, but we will never know, because people rightly realized he wasn't qualified for the job.  And OBTW, didn't he set up an Obama care like system in Massachusettes? 

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	And yet you voted for Obama twice
Date:	11/18/2015 3:51:42 PM

It's not a matter of pride MM.  I don't think he has done a great job.  As far as his religious beliefs, I have no idea what is in his heart.  He seems to sympathize with Muslims, but on the other hand, our military is bombing the heck out of Muslims too, so I'm not sure what that means about his religious beliefs. 

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/18/2015 3:59:09 PM

That is certainly true of every politician and I don't think Obama is any different.  it's gottem more noticable as time goes on, because they follow the money and pander to what they consider their base, to the point that who can tell what they believe. 

Two different standards for two black guys - well, yes I guess I do. Am I supposed to have the same standard for both of them just because they are both black? 

And I am sorry to hear that you would vote for an unqualified Republican over a Democrat, but I guess that is theoretical, because as near as I can see, there is not one candidate running who is what I call qualified.  It's the sorriest collection of politicians and non-politicians I have ever seen and I sincerely wonder who in the heck will make the least mess of it. 

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/18/2015 4:19:48 PM

I just wish Rubio had another four years under his belt.  I have a hard time making myself say that he wouldn't turn out as sorry as Obama, although his family background suggests he might be a bit more aligned with the great American Dream than the fundamental transformation philosophy.  And yes, while not all of the Republican contenders are equally attractive, I would support any over the three the Dems are offering up, especially Mr "USSA" (United Socialist States of America).

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/18/2015 8:49:44 PM

I have to agree about the Democrats.  I still don't believe that Bernie is a serious contender.  Hilary will be the nominee. 

I don't have a problem with Rubio per se, but I don't think this is his moment.  I think he needs more time. 

I keep asking myself where all the smart people are and why don't they want to be President? 

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/18/2015 9:09:25 PM

The entire process and environment is toxic.  Look what they have to go through.   We have an entire nation saying things like you see written on this forum and worse.  Take Paul Ryan for example.  I was appalled at Biden's demeanor throughout the entire VP debate...smug...dismissive, laughing at Ryan's answers.  I was silently pleading for Ryan to address him and his his hijinks directly, letting the country know how rude Biden was being while Ryan was attempting to address the serious issues facing the country.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Compare and contrast the media coverage
Date:	11/19/2015 8:32:48 AM

That's what I think too.  They don't want to have to go through the ridicule.