Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Back door to Apple phones
Date:	2/25/2016 11:26:56 AM

I have been watching this with great interest as it will be a real test between the right to privacy and the needs of law enforcement.  What is particularly interesting about this issue is the malfeasance of law enforcement agencies when they tried to get the information off a terrorists iphone.  I am of the opinion......and yes, for the record so there is no confusion this is my opinion......the right privacy is more important.  Much of my opinion stems from my general distrust of the government.

Not often I side with a left wing nut like Tim Cook but in this case he is right to resist giving the government carte blanche backdoor access to private cell phone information. 

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Back door to Apple phones
Date:	2/25/2016 2:18:11 PM

Here is what I posted on Facebook a few days back:

Apple, create the software for access. Have FBI bring the phone to a secure northwest location, apply software, access, download terrorist info, remove software. Hopefully, this will not be like the apartment where FBI turned the neighborhood loose to peruse and lift what could have been leads to terrorist associates and activities.

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Back door to Apple phones
Date:	2/25/2016 3:25:14 PM

probable cause

Those may be the key words

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Back door to Apple phones
Date:	2/25/2016 4:51:22 PM

Thing is, its not Apple's phone.  It's some Islamoterrorist's who is currently at room temperature.....hopefully below.  The govt wants to force a private business to violate their privacy agreement with their customer which is bad enough.  But what is worse is they want to force them to create a back door that they can use at any time on any phone.  If the govt were trustworthy it would not be such a big deal.  But as we have seen over the last 7 years and probably longer...they are not.

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	Back door to Apple phones
Date:	2/25/2016 4:52:01 PM

We  have noticed your computer musings on the Lakes Online reflector and your personal emails, lakngulf.

We therefore see this as probable cause for further action against you..................

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Back door to Apple phones
Date:	2/25/2016 5:06:41 PM

But I was against it before I was for it after I was against it!

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Back door to Apple phones
Date:	2/25/2016 5:10:38 PM

The phone belongs to the guys employer, whatever job he had.  FBI really should be pursuing it that way.  We are in uncharted territory re "getting in".  Crowbar manufacture lets FBI into a house or office.  Not sure what the crowbar is for an iphone.

I mistrust the govt as much as anyone.  No way am I in favor of FBI having the software to use.  I just offered an out for everyone that gets into the phone, no software is distributed.  Truth be known, I bet the software is already written.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Back door to Apple phones
Date:	2/25/2016 5:13:01 PM

Agreed and that would work.  Why they won't go that route makes me even more suspcious.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Back door to Apple phones
Date:	2/25/2016 6:18:26 PM

And I suspect the Constitution refers to living people.  These people are dead.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Back door to Apple phones
Date:	2/25/2016 6:33:49 PM

I agree with LakenGulf. 

If this had happened right after 9/11 or if it involved the phones of those terrorists, people would be screaming for Apple to do it. Funny how perception changes.  People embraced the Patriot Act and would gladly have given access to anyone, if they thought it would keep them safe back then.  I think it is shameful of Apple to refused to to do this, and I am very tempted to get rid of my Iphone and go back to Samsung.  I believe McAfee said to give them the phone and they would get the information. 

Anyone who distrusts their government that much should give up their citizenship and move elsewhere.  These are the same people who will scream when we have another terrorist attack and wonder how the government failed to discover it before it happened.  These terrorist cells are out there.  And I don't give a dam about your privacy and your fears, and distrust of the government, if it means that our government, who is by the way trying to keep your butt safe,  finds these cells before they act.  This has nothing to do with Obama's Administration, so don't use that tired excuse. 

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	Back door to Apple phones
Date:	2/25/2016 6:44:05 PM

Cheney ran 9/11.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Back door to Apple phones
Date:	2/25/2016 6:54:37 PM

Shortbus, I am not in the mood for this right now.  Despite what your off the wall websites tell you, Cheney did not run 9/11.  I have no love for Cheney, and I remember that day too well to listen to a bunch of junk thinking about it. 

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Back door to Apple phones
Date:	2/25/2016 11:16:36 PM (updated 2/25/2016 11:20:04 PM)

In this case the good of the all trumps unreasonable search and seizure.  Would be hard for the phone owner to object in any case, as he is pushing up daisies.

And I have no doubt that Apple can discern the phone's contents.  An institution like that always engineers a back door.  It is just held at a level of security that would make the CIA proud.

As I understand it the FBI didn't ask for the keys to the kingdom.  In my view the simple solution is to give the phone to Apple and ask them to provide the FBI with its contents.  No questions asked, just what does it contain.  They don't even have to reveal that Apple did it.  The FBI is pretty good at maintaining confidentiality and the buying public doesn't know the difference.  And Apple would be motivated to keep secret that they read the phone's contents so they could maintain the aura of invincibility with their buying public.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Back door to Apple phones
Date:	2/26/2016 1:13:23 AM

The owner of the phone is neither the husband or wife. It is owed by the employer which was the site of the killings.

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	Back door to Apple phones
Date:	2/26/2016 4:13:22 AM

How do you know if the phone belonged to his employer or if it was their personal phone?

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Back door to Apple phones
Date:	2/26/2016 8:44:34 AM

It was widely reported that the city gave him a cell phone.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Back door to Apple phones
Date:	2/26/2016 8:52:10 AM

I also agree with him, but that is not what they are asking for.  And you are wrong if you think even after 9/11 I would have called for Apple to provide the government with a way to get into any cell phone.  And if you don't have a healthy mistrust of government you haven't been paying attention.  

And as for the crack about leaving the country, I could not disagree more.  The Founding Fathers had a healthy mistrust of government which is why they created the Bill of Rights.  They lived under a tyranny and tried their best to design a system of government that limited the power of said government.  They did this out of mistrust.  If you so trust the government you should leave and go to some totalitarian country where the all knowing benevolent government can do whatever it pleases.  As for me, I will stay here where our system of government was at least intended to protect us from tyranny.  The ignorance of history and the lack of understanding of the foundation of this country explains why we are in the mess we are in.

This isn't just about Obama, it is about my right to privacy and the government having the ability to search my phone without a warrant.  So if they give the phone to Apple and ask them to get the contents off I am fine.  But that's not what they want and you know it.

Name:	HARRY -	Reply
Subject:	Back door to Apple phones
Date:	2/26/2016 10:09:45 AM

Mr. H,what you said about Apple retrieving the info for them has probably already happened. The hoopla is advertisement for Apple's high level of loyalty to their customers.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Back door to Apple phones
Date:	2/26/2016 10:39:01 AM

I suspect as you that there has been a quiet exchange of information.  No proof, but a suspicion.  The quid pro quo on the part of the government is vehement denial, thus protecting Apples reputation.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Back door to Apple phones
Date:	2/28/2016 11:35:03 AM

Go back and read my first post.  FBI would not get the encryption key, just the decrypted text.  Have to possess both in order to break the code.  Therefore Pandora would not apply.

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	Back door to Apple phones
Date:	2/28/2016 12:22:48 PM

@ Hodja

My message was not directed at anyone.  But here is my suggestion on how we all might direct a message @ someone.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Back door to Apple phones
Date:	2/28/2016 4:16:02 PM

Well, your response was directly under my post, so one could surmise it was in response to my post.  If you want it directed to all, start a new string.  

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	First they came for the iphones...................
Date:	2/29/2016 10:00:17 AM

@ everyone

http://www.infowars.com/first-they-came-for-the-iphones/

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	First they came for the iphones...................
Date:	2/29/2016 3:19:11 PM

Appropriate title for German phones.......................

http://www.infowars.com/germanys-new-citizen-monitoring-spyware-may-be-creepier-than-nsas/

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	First they came for the iphones...................
Date:	2/29/2016 6:17:37 PM

they can have mine.