Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Trump vs Trump
Date:	4/16/2016 3:37:45 PM

Let's try an intelligent endeavor.  I know, I know.....

But let's list the items/issues that Trump is right on, and the items/issues that he is wrong on

R1.  For instance, I think he is right that we have to get a handle on illegal and legal immigration.  It is dangerous to us, aids in influx of drugs, financial burdens our border states in health and other services, etc.

W1.  I think he is wrong when he says we can just "bomb the hell" out of ISIS.  That procedure has to be thought out, coordinated, precise, with the ultimate of military intelligence.

Can we do it?

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Trump vs Trump
Date:	4/16/2016 4:01:01 PM

Might require some forays into logic and reason....you made a good start but wait until the zealots get their paws on it...

Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	Trump vs Trump
Date:	4/16/2016 4:34:31 PM

R2:  He's right when he says that Planned Parenthood delivers a huge amount of much needed medical care to women in the form of birth control, cancer screenings, etc.

W2: He's wrong when he suggests that women who get abortions should be punished.

W3:  He's wrong to suggest that countries like South Korea & Japan should create their own nuclear arsenals.

R3:  He's right that we need to reform US immigration policies.

W4:  He's wrong to encourage hatred of Immigrants and claim that they bring only disease, crime and drugs into the country.  

R4:  He's right that the political system is rigged to favor the rich & powerful.

W4:  He's been the beneficiary of that system all his life.

W5:  He's wrong when he says "I have a very good brain".   The intelligence he has is pretty much negated by his personality.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Trump vs Trump
Date:	4/16/2016 5:23:31 PM

R1 He is right that the agreements we negotiate are ridiculous.  There is rarely a quid pro quo for us and they usually have no "teeth" for enforcement.

R2 He is right on putting a temporary moritorium on immigration until we have a better screening process. 

R3. He is right about the UN.  We have been subsidizing this for years.  It's time that other countries upped their contribution.

R4.  He is right about NATO.  It's left over from WWII, and usually we are putting more into it than any other country.

R5.  He is right about immigration in general.  I think he has the right idea about the Wall and squeezing the Mexican government to pay for it. 

W1.  He is wrong about punishing woman - in fact, he is wrong about abortion. 

W2.  He is wrong about carpet bombing.  He needs to listen to the military commanders and planners.

W3. He is wrong about the big recession that he says is coming.  Think he is using it as a "fear tatic".  Can't find an economist that agrees with him. 

W4.  He is wrong about not having to seem Presidential until he wins the job.  He needs to tone it down now.

w5.  He is wrong that he doesn't seem to think he needs expert advisors.  He will always be the decision maker, but he needs to learn to listen to others with more experise and take their advice seriously. 

W6.  He is wrong about Putin.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Trump vs Trump
Date:	4/16/2016 6:14:15 PM

Too bad, Ms Hodja is as dumb as I am....added absolutely nothing with his comment. 

Name:	HARRY -	Reply
Subject:	Trump vs Trump
Date:	4/16/2016 9:01:17 PM

@copperline, didn't he actually say that if abortions were made illegal then women who have one should be punished?

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Trump vs Trump
Date:	4/16/2016 10:29:27 PM

I am not answering for Copper, but I think you are correct.  Do you agree with Trump?

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Trump vs Trump
Date:	4/16/2016 10:39:54 PM

Seems the pregnant woman would have to initiate the illegal act, with the one performing the abortion being an accomplice.  My views on abortion have been stated in other posts, but this is a hypothetical question, since abortion is not currently illegal.  Hypothetically answered, yes, the woman would be liable if abortion were to be declared illegal.

Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	Trump vs Trump
Date:	4/17/2016 9:23:46 AM

Yes, I think this was one of the revisions of his original comments.   The important thing to me is that he really hadn't thought much about it and was clearly answering off the top of his head....  Not the answer you would expect from a serious presidential candidate who had given much consideration to the issue.   That's just The Donald for you.   A mile wide and an inch deep.

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	More...
Date:	4/17/2016 9:31:25 AM (updated 4/17/2016 9:38:54 AM)

More....What has he said that you totally agree with?  What has he said that you disagree?  Hint:  those may be in the same sentence.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Trump vs Trump
Date:	4/17/2016 9:57:49 AM (updated 4/17/2016 10:00:28 AM)

Mr. H your answer, in my mind, is the correct and logical one if abortion is outlawed.  Not so for the hard core anti-abortion crowd which opts for the "political correctness" they so roundly condemn on other issues.  "Abortion is murder, but the mother is a second victim, not the accessory who delivers the victim to the murderer, therefore, she escapes punishment".  It makes no sense other than political and we have yet to get an explanation, logical or otherwise, from the pro-life-in-all-cases group either on this forum or in the nation as a whole.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	More...
Date:	4/17/2016 5:49:31 PM

Do you consider the fetus "a person"?

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	More...
Date:	4/17/2016 7:39:28 PM

Take a look at the pictures of the somebody they can get these days, take a listen to the heart beat (separate and distinct from Mother's), or two separate and distinct heart beats when twins, listen as doctors discuss the heart is this or that, the lungs have this or that, or I am concerned about the baby's liver, yadda yadda yadda.

I appreciate yall's move to make this thread about lives, murder and abortion.  I may be wrong but I don't think that will be the major issue in this election.

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	More...
Date:	4/17/2016 7:56:55 PM

I have struggled to come up with a "definition" of when a fetus becomes a baby.  I keep coming back to the thought that there is a magic moment when it could be said that the child could survive outside the mother's womb....but even then many that are born premature rely on the heroics of a skilled medical team.

That being said, when the sperm fertilizes the egg a human life has begun, it just needs its mother to help it along, much like the full term infant cannot survive without someone giving it food and shelter after birth.

No easy answers.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	More...
Date:	4/17/2016 11:43:18 PM

It would probably be the one about the delegates and the nomination system being totally rigged.  I don't have faith that much in politics is straightforward. 

Otherwise, I can't think of anything he said that I am totally in agreement with.  I agree with most of what he says to some extent.  I don't know if there is any candidate that I have agreed with 100%. 

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	More...
Date:	4/18/2016 12:41:54 AM

So when is the soul paired with the baby?

I believe after that is when murder occurs.

There should be abortion services available.  Rape, etc.

Maybe its fine as it is now.

Maybe this sums it up:

In America, you should have the choice/right/freedom to go to hell. [abort]

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Trump vs Trump
Date:	4/18/2016 9:14:46 AM (updated 4/18/2016 9:16:42 AM)

My meager point is this:  Trump is right on the issues, but wrong on many of his quick responses to them.  He is bombastic, and outrageous at times, but is he the first "politician" to tell us he will do something when we know good and well it will not happen like they say it will? 

Immigration, legal and illegal, must be dealt with.  Will he deport them all?  No.  Will he support border security, you bet.

Economy, from lack of jobs, to folks not being encouraged to work, to debt, to better for USA trade deals, this man deals in this every day.

Negotiation with nations home and abroad.  We have dealt weakly for years, and have given away the shop.  The Iran deal was the epitome of "Ask not what you can do to help the USA, but ask what can you do to give it away?

Terrorist, home and abroad.  A complete Muslem ban, I thnk not.  Border security that does a decent job of vetting, a good possibility.  He will take steps to improve military, both numbers and machines.

Abortion.  He has been on all sides of this, and abortion will not be the primary issue in this election.

Health Care.  At least he will pinpoint where the current attempt is killing us and figure our ways to use the money more wisely.  He will not allow a software engineering firm to get away with murder on bad software, and then hire them again.

Lobbyist.  Donald is his own lobby. 

Now take all those issues and comb thru the other candidates, who they will be beholden to,and how they will deal.  "I beg your pardon, I'm gonna promise you a rose garden"

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Trump vs Trump
Date:	4/18/2016 3:00:59 PM

I agree!  He's a bombastic personality, but he might actually do something.  I think at the candidate stage, most of them will promise things that they cannot do, and even if they can, it will be some watered down version that doesn't do much.  But he is dynamic and I don't think he will back down easily and the mere fact that Congress is uncomfortable with him, rules in his favor.  I tend to think he will take the case to "the people" more often than most.  And you are right - he is his own lobbyist.  I don't think he can be bought. 

Sorry if what I write doesn't make sense, but I have wrenched my back and I'm taking pain killers and anti-spasism meds and my brain isn't bridging one thought to the next really well.

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Trump vs Trump
Date:	4/19/2016 8:22:25 AM

Hope you can get that back in good shape, hound.  Spring is a bad time for back pain.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Trump vs Trump
Date:	4/19/2016 3:33:47 PM

Thanks. I've got a ton of thing to do, too.  No time for this back problem.