Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	This week in Trump
Date:	5/29/2016 11:14:49 PM

Trump needlessly attacks the Republican governor of New Mexico, blames her for economic problems in the Southwest, further fueling the impression that his shoot from the hip style is erratic & personal.   Adding to the mix:  She’s not only Latino, but she’s a she…. And Trump shoots himself and the GOP in the foot again.  

Declines to take the opportunity to apologize for insulting John McCain at Veteran’s rally.   Campaign manager says, “no plans to do that”.      Accepts Rubio’s apology for saying that his johnson is too small though.

Declares that the California drought is a hoax, perpetrated thru poor management by government agencies.  Promises to end water restrictions and turn the water on again if elected.     5 years of below average rain & snow fall, and he simply says the drought doesn’t exist.   Possible rephrase coming next week:  ‘I meant that I am going to make it rain if you elect me”.

Hints that the Clinton’s had criminal participation in the death of Vince Foster, ruled a suicide by multiple investigating agencies… and occurred 23 years ago.   Journalists are beginning to puzzle about how to cover intentionally false statements like these without seeming biased against him or giving him airtime just because he made up another whopper.

 It’s worth noting that normally politicians (and people in general) will quit making outlandish &/or false statements when publically discredited by multiple sources that refute them completely.    This is not the case with Donald Trump though.   This doesn't appear to deter him the slightest bit. 

The narrative is that supporters are waiting for him to show he can be ‘more Presidential’.   I think what we are seeing is that Trump now has so much confidence in himself & a sincere conviction that his supporters are almost worshipful of him…. So he can reject the wisdom of being “Presidential”  and just be himself.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	This week in Trump
Date:	5/30/2016 12:40:12 PM

 I don't think there is any question Vince Foster was dead in what appeared to be a suicide.  And the ME had to have a cause of death.  But I suspect that undue influence from the WH, might have caused the ME to rule on the cause of death from the way it appeared. And it was never made public why he committed suicide, if in fact he did.  Speculation at the time ran the gamut of an affair with Hilary to he knew things that he didn't want to know.  But I don't think Bill killed him or had him killed. 

I think Trump recognizes that John McCain is really no longer a player.  And McCain has endorsed Trump, so apparently he isn't hold a grudge for what Trump said. 

This is politics. People say things all the time against each other, and then turn around and become running mates. 

Understand that you don't like Trump and that is fine.  But I hate to see you put so much trust in the Clintons, who have proved time and again that they are untrustworthy and unethical, and Hilary in paticular is power-hungry. 

Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	This week in Trump
Date:	5/30/2016 6:04:06 PM

The Vince Foster affair was clearly & repeatedly proven to be a suicide, but Trump resurrects it without regard to the truthfulness of what he has to say.   It's another example of how little disregard he has for fundamentals like integrity & honesty.   Like declaring that the California drought is a hoax, his supporters aren't holding him to even basic standards.  

Your post sounds like you are inclined to believe a Vince Foster conspiracy exists, and that is what Trump is taking advantage of.  People's tendency to believe partial truths, insinuations, and misrepresentations... if they come from a source they approve of.

He said his support wouldn't wain if he shot someone in the streets.   So insulting McCain is no big deal to him.  Neither is intentionally distorting the truth in any way he chooses.   I'm completely amazed that veterans are giving him a pass on that one.  No other public figure could ever be so brazen in dismissing the sacrafice of a POW with no blowback.   Why do his supporters let him do that?

The Clintons are far from perfect, but that is no defense for Trump.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	This week in Trump
Date:	5/30/2016 6:21:28 PM

If McCain isn't holding it against him, why should I? I understand where you are coming from on this and I was pretty shocked when he said it.  I don't think he should have said it; but I hear Obama, and other politicians of both persuasions  say stuff that I can't believe they said, but they do.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	This week in Trump
Date:	5/30/2016 6:39:51 PM

I think everyone should hold it against him regardless of whether McCain does (something I strongly suspect he does hold it against him but feels he has to toe the party line to be re-elected for one last hurrah).  It should be held against him because it was stupid, disgusting, cruel and completely out of line politician or not.  How would you feel any other politician, R or D, running had said it?  It is unbelievable how so many otherwise reasonable people have drunk Trump's Kool Aide!

The Clintons are very sleazy but they are no where near as deep in the muck as trump!

Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	This week in Trump
Date:	5/31/2016 12:10:48 AM

I just think the McCain episode is particularly tragic in that McCain has endorsed the party nominee out of unswerving loyalty, even though it means letting Trump's insult pass... a reminder that John McCain still thinks just like he did in the military, loyalty is really important to him...   McCain was never my guy on the issues, but his story was a real inspiration to hear.   Pity there is so little indignation on the part of others in his party who are watching while he humbles himself before Trump.

That whole episode aside, it's just Trump's personality to do this no matter how vile I think it was.    Everybody should pay attention to what it says about him,  but what is amazing is how we are normalizing him and tolerating his behavior.

It all started with Trump figuring out that people wanted a candidate who would refuse to be "politically correct", but he seems to be expanding on that theme to include stretching the truth as many ways has he likes and saying whatever pops into is head while he is riffing to a cheering crowd.    

I didn't think that was exactly what anti-PC folks had in mind.   Going from "we don't need to be politically correct" to "we don't need to be factually correct either" seems like a leap to me.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	AMEN!!!!
Date:	5/31/2016 9:25:45 AM

People, please listen to what Trump says and compare it to what we all know to be the truth.  He intentionally lies for political advantage more often than he tells the truth.  The saddest fact is, the GOP concensus is completely aware of this and has now ackowledged it as acceptable for the sake of party loyalty and to hell with decency and the country.  Hillary is not very many peoples first choice but this year she is the only choice that has even a chance of keeping us from going over the cliff!! If this was not such a critical election, it would be my first time for voting Libertarian.

Name:	HARRY -	Reply
Subject:	AMEN!!!!
Date:	5/31/2016 9:46:41 PM

Now what Republican has said to hell with decency and country. Sometimes I think that you actually believe that you can change how any of us vote by spewing your biased opinions on this forum. I'm still kind of surprised that you are still posting after your past out of line comments.

Name:	copperline -	Reply
Subject:	?
Date:	5/31/2016 11:14:51 PM

Are you defending Trump, or saying that he is not a real Republican?

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	I assume you are talking to me Harry
Date:	6/1/2016 9:38:45 AM (updated 6/1/2016 10:21:50 AM)

A lot of Republicans who said they would not back Trump  (Lindsay Graham, Gov. Perry, and more than half a dozen of my friends) have said to hell with the country by coming around to embracing Trump in spite of knowing he will be a disaster for the country...so what, he is a "Republican" and "I must support my party".

I laugh when anyone says I make "out of line comments" unless that person has never read some of the comments (frequently directed at me) by Wix or Shortbus or Martini Man or any other of number of posters on this forum past and present.  That being said, I will now make what may be an "out of line" comment... if you are anyone else reading this thinks Donald Trump is honest, or capable of being Commander in Chief, or worthy of any respect what-so-ever, or anything other than a self-promoting egotistical blow hard who is probably mentally unstable to boot, then you are bat guano crazy at worst or ignoring reality at best!  Take the blinders off and get your head out of the sand, or seek professional help!  This is my "biased" opinion!

Now for a question.  Can you please tell me what opinion have you ever had or heard that was not "biased"?  Do you even know what an "opinion" is?  An opinion is an expression of belief which is by definition biased against differing beliefs.  Do you actually think your own opinions are "unbiased"? 

Name:	HARRY -	Reply
Subject:	I assume you are talking to me Harry
Date:	6/1/2016 11:03:42 AM

My apologies Arch. I had you confused with another poster about the out of line comments. Again my apologies.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	I assume you are talking to me Harry
Date:	6/1/2016 7:54:30 PM

Apology accrepted and appreciated.  Wish more posters were as gracious.