Name:	DS Realist -	Reply
Subject:	Motive
Date:	8/3/2016 5:11:09 PM

So we all know that Hilda wants the job so she can cross it off her list and so Hilda and Bill can get richer.  She and Billy Bob are set financially, now they just want to continue to amass wealth and be power brokers.

As far as Trumpie goes, he probably is probably tired of people who haven't worked in the private sector, like Ears, spouting off socialism as if the European failure is worth duplicating in the US.  I read today where one of the architects of Obamacare is saying that it isn't working like they thought it was going to.......i.e., promote competition and lower healthcare costs.  Plus with 21 million anticipated to sign up and half of those really did sign up.  It was set up hoping to promote smaller health care companies, but those smaller providers are either being bought out or going bankrupt.  Now the big boys are losing money; pretty soon they will opt out also.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/insurance-rates-going-concerns-obamacare-075111543.html

Arch:  I know it has helped your daughter, but we can't penalize 95% of the workforce to get 5% covered. 

Other than Obamacare, what else is left that Ears accomplished?  Oh yeah, whereas Kennedy put a man on the moon; Obama put men in women's bathrooms.......................

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Motive
Date:	8/3/2016 7:32:28 PM

Your post suggests that you propose replacing Obamacare with single payer like Medicare covering everyone. Or, are you proposing the typical right wing approach of survival of the fittest?

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Motive
Date:	8/3/2016 7:59:24 PM

In fact 25 million plus have gotten covered either through expanded Medicaid (would be much more if the dumbass states like AL and GA would wake up and smell the coffee), allowing kids to remain on parent policies longer and private insurance through the exchanges.

The number of insurance companies is going down due to mergers.  It is called private enterprise or free market economy. Trump tells us he made lots of money by using the bankruptcy laws.  Real free marketeers make profits by running successful businesses that don't go bankrupt.  Sort of like Trump's belief that real heros don't get captured!

Please show me just one single bit of credible proof that 95% have suffered under Obamacare and only 5% improved their situation.

Name:	Mack -	Reply
Subject:	Motive
Date:	8/3/2016 8:39:54 PM

I did not read that in his post, not at all. Where did you dig up a reference to single payer system in his post?

Boy, you got your brain blinders on again. He merely bashed the Affordable Care Act for what it is, another failure of our federal government to exercise power and control over voter opinions. They got the votes once, but they left behind a thoroughly screwed up health care system. Checked your Premium Notices lately??

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Premiums about to double, $6,000 deductible...
Date:	8/3/2016 8:41:15 PM

Yeah buddie, this is a real deal.  o-BAMMIE has put off all the real whammie stuff till he is history so someone else will get the blame.  Just wait till 2017 and 18 to see the real killer.  I'd love to see the true taxpayer costs of this stupid plan.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Come on a-idiot...
Date:	8/3/2016 10:13:36 PM (updated 8/3/2016 10:14:19 PM)

Come on a-idiot....give us some wisdom.  Don't chicken out...shoot us yo best line of BS...

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Come on a-idiot...
Date:	8/3/2016 11:32:22 PM (updated 8/3/2016 11:34:28 PM)

I did Wixie poo darling.  I just posted it on the wrong thread so deleted.  Guess I'm not as perfect a speciman like you.  See the string below and answer the question...("where's the lie").  Oh that's right, you only ask questions, spout insults, and make stupid comments but never, never, never ever have an answer.  My bad.

Name:	DS Realist -	Reply
Subject:	Motive
Date:	8/4/2016 4:34:40 PM

Everyone's insurance costs and premiums have gone up.  There is your proof.  Here is some more proof below.  Where are you getting that 25 million number?  Seems way too high.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamacare-disaster-will-be-obamas-enduring-domestic-legacy/2016/04/25/a8c09b38-0ae4-11e6-8ab8-9ad050f76d7d_story.html

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/7-ways-obamacare-failed-americans-133400671.html

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20160802/NEWS03/160809970/illinois-insurers-seek-obamacare-premium-hikes-of-up-to-45-percent

http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2016/08/03/humana-to-abandon-obamacare-patients-in-1200-u-s-counties/#26ea35dc260a

https://www.zacks.com/stock/news/226669/why-are-health-insurers-ditching-obamacare

http://www.wsj.com/articles/aetnas-obamacare-shock-1470178316

http://www.weeklystandard.com/no-obamacare-has-not-lowered-premiums/article/2003615

http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/obamacare-is-destroying-the-co-ops-it-spent-billions-creating/

http://www.atr.org/illinois-obamacare-co-op-becomes-16th-collapse

Name:	DS Realist -	Reply
Subject:	Motive
Date:	8/4/2016 4:50:33 PM

My post assumes nothing.  My post says the government is EXTREMELY inefficient in doing anything, much less addressing healthcare. 

My post says Obamacare is the biggest failed legislation perpetrated on the American public in this century.

Soon there will be no exchanges and very few people who provide ACA coverage.  I have only read of one company that did not report a multimillion dollar loss and that company says it broke even.  Private companies are not like the feds and can just keep amassing debt, like the US debt of $19 trillion and counting.

For people like Architect's daughter, there should be a way of providing coverage, just not at the expense of every business owner and employee (increased costs via higher premiums, copays, and as SCOTUS indicated taxes - since they deemed ACA a tax).

Archie, based on figures I have seen there are 11.7 million people with ACA plans and 151 million people working.  That is 7.7% of the population with ACA plans and 93% of the working population with some plan or no plan.  100% of the people with a plan that is not ACA have seen their out of pocket costs rise, some more than others; and all of us have seen that passed on to us in the form of higher costs for goods and services.  THERE IS YOUR PROOF!