Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	Votes Changed in Texas
Date:	10/25/2016 11:56:32 PM (updated 10/25/2016 11:57:39 PM)

Early voting started today in Texas and voters who said they voted a straight Republican ballot said their ballot also showed a vote for Hillary. Texas Director of Elections Keith Ingram was asked about reports of vote rigging but ran away from reporters. This was captured on video.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Votes Changed in Texas
Date:	10/26/2016 12:31:49 AM

Carlos H. Cascos is the Texas Secretary of State and is a Republican. Ingram works for Cascos. Sounds like the GOP leaders in Texas agree with Colin Powell who is supporting Hillary. You and your fellow right wingers need to direct your anger to your own party.

Name:	rude evin -	Reply
Subject:	Votes Changed in Texas
Date:	10/26/2016 9:24:48 AM

Not surprised the dem Powell is supporting the HIL....but where is the evidence??? I thought he demurred on the question when she threw him under the bus and doubled back and ran over him in her lie about using the private server in her basement thereby exposing classified info to the hackers.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Votes Changed in Texas
Date:	10/26/2016 11:17:30 AM

Powell

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Votes Changed in Texas
Date:	10/26/2016 11:46:48 AM

Powell

R I N O - 

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell joked that he identifies as a Republican to annoy the GOP’s right-wing.

I want to continue to be a Republican because it annoys them,” Powell quipped to host Walter Isaacson.

Yup - I can see why he would vote for Hillary - he is all in for immigration and how wonderful it is.  Germany and France is loosing its identity to immigration, so lets just line up too.

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	Votes Changed in Texas
Date:	10/26/2016 1:55:28 PM

I'm not sure I understand your logic. Are you saying that because the Texas Secretary of State is a Republican that it is "ok" if a vote for Hillary also shows up on someones ballot that voted a straight Republican ticket?

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Votes Changed in Texas
Date:	10/26/2016 2:32:22 PM

Actually what he is claiming is that Republicans are so stupid as to not be able to stop obvious fraud in their own elections, I would imagine it would take a whole lot to flip Texas to a blue state.  It appears that Jimmy Carter in 1976 was the last D president that Texas put electoral votes in for.

And to make matters worse (at least in Texas and some states ) is willing to prosecute you if you video the machine with your vote on it in an attempt to prove voter fraud.

http://www.12newsnow.com/news/local/voting-booth-selfies-illegal-in-texas-many-other-states/340831179

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2016/10/25/justin-timberlakes-voting-selfie-may-have-broken-law/92728472/

 The crime is a misdemeanor, with a penalty that could include up to 30 days in jail and $50 fine. ( In tennessee ) 

Alabama and Georgia does not allow video inside the polling place, even in a booth with privacy - not that I have seen such booths since gradeschool. So be careful and know what your state does not allow before trying it!

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Votes Changed in Texas
Date:	10/26/2016 3:17:21 PM

I am not suggesting it is OK....any fraud is unacceptable. What I am saying is like Powell who is voting for Hillary...maybe the GOP  Secretary of State and Ingram want Hillary to win.

Do you have a better answer?

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Votes Changed in Texas
Date:	10/26/2016 4:13:36 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/10/25/texas-county-switches-paper-ballots-software-glitch/

Nope becuase when the problem was caught - then they switched to paper ballots till the company that handles the software for the machines issued a patch.  Had they wanted to commit fraud they would just indicate that the voter was just stupid and there is no evidence of fraud or that voter fraud just does not exist.

Now the question in my mind is does the company test the software?  if so I would have to say ES&S the company that actually handles the softeware on the machine would be at fault?  A disgruntled software engineer who was willing to try to slip one through or honest mistake?  A time delay bug that would not be caught in testing but would effect the voting day is not hard to write or wrap up in thousands of lines of computer code.

I can only imagine that marking a straight republican ticket but it leaving the presidental race unmarked or swapped would have to be one of the things that would be tested on the machine.

This article i found from 2014 showed the same company had and knew of the same problem.

http://viconsortium.com/politics/elections-board-and-ess-knew-of-ds200-dysfunction-long-before-primary-election/ 

“When that demo machine came here, the first thing we did was cross voted on it,” Moolenaar said.

He went on to say that, again, while conducting a community demonstration with the machine on July 17 at the Roatery on St. Croix, another person deliberately tested the machine for cross voting, without prodding from Board members, and found that the machine had cross voted and made it known to the elections team.

Moolenaar said when he, Bryan and Alexandre made the observation of the machine’s dysfunction, they reported it to the other Board members and immediately notified Alexia Scott Morrison, customer service manager at ES&S.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2011-12-22/defective-voting-machines/52172034/1

Story from 2011

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/why-arent-ess-voting-machines-outlawed

Article about ES&S machines back in 2010 and not just D's cheating but R's too.

...in South Carolina the weird stuff is not limited to the Democratic side of the aisle because there are "three counties with more votes cast in Republican governor's race than reported turnout in the Republican primary." He said there may be more but the GOP gubernatorial primary "is the only race I've looked at so far other than the Democratic Senate race." Those three are Darlington, Horry and Marlboro, and there are two others, Bamberg and Fairfield, with zero residual GOP votes (i.e., the total number of GOP voters in the county is identical to number cast in the GOP gubernatorial), which McDonald informs me is very, very rare.

If ever there was a case for voting by mail or absentee ballot, this is it. Here are the states that still use these machines: Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Missouri, Mississippi, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia and Wisconsin. If you're in one of those states, vote by absentee ballot and bypass the machines.

Now we hear quite often about what states are needed to win the election

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/05/04/trump-white-house-electoral-college-key-states-republican-election/83863926/

Arizona, North Carolina, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania  - 4 of the 5 are ES&S machines with a fairly known history of not working correctly for whatever reason - Personally I can not for any reason imagine why anyone would want one of these machines in their state if they can not get their equipment to work correctly 100% of the time.

http://www.essvote.com/blog/52  ( now this appears to be 2012 data possibly 2014 data ) 

So just for fun i also looked up what states do not use audit trails with the ES&S machines Well there is Texas - maybe they got what they paid for there.  Somtimes cheep is not the better alternative.

Georgia - no suprise there.

Florida - After the hanging chad incident's and Gore shoulda won you would think they would have spent the extra money to upgrade to be able to do a proper recount!

Pennsylvania.

N. Carolina - Mixed with and without

Arizona - mixed with and without.

Ohio - Mixed with and without.

Again - pretty much the same list of states that are listed by USA today as must win for Trump.

So we are left with are a few possibilitles -

1. no one has bothered to update or test the election machines in several years for a known problem.

2. The company likes to keep putting bugs in their software to support a specific canidate.

3. Known compromised machines are kept around for fraudulent purposes when it suits someone.

Personally I think we should open up voting for about 2 weeks with ID and make sure that you put a thumbprint on it that will not wear off for about a month so you can not vote in person multiple times.  Any absenetee needs to also have  a thumbprint with supplied ink.  If two ballots show the same thumbprint then legal procedings can commence.  All ballots much have a paper trail and be verifiable to make sure noone of any party is cheating any election.

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	Votes Changed in Texas
Date:	10/26/2016 4:18:40 PM

I think you are beating around the bush. If charges are being made by voters I think they have the right to come forward and be heard. When the election official was approached and ask a question he turned and quickly went up the stairs. Not very good publicity when voter fraud is a major concern in this election. if an elected official can not respond to a question about the system he or she is not worthy of the position that is funded by the tax payers. Inquiring minds want to know. Four sentences so no paragraphs.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Votes Changed in Texas
Date:	10/26/2016 4:34:39 PM (updated 10/26/2016 4:38:17 PM)

had not heard that he/she had fled from the question - puts more credibililty on that they knew and was ducking the question.

My posts get long when I have to backup my claims with "Prove it or it didnt happen!"

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Votes Changed in Texas
Date:	10/26/2016 5:06:33 PM (updated 10/26/2016 5:08:39 PM)

The guy who turned away and left, Ingram, is the State Director of Elections and works for the elected Texas Secreary of State who is a Republican. No beating around any bush................just the facts.....

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Votes Changed in Texas
Date:	10/26/2016 5:47:02 PM

While I have to say that was a pretty crappy move by anyone.

http://www.infowars.com/texas-county-switches-to-paper-ballots-after-electronic-voting-glitches/  ( link to video on site ) 

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	Votes Changed in Texas
Date:	10/26/2016 6:54:59 PM

Shazzam, an Honest Election

 an adventure into useless Shortbus diatribe............no comments?????

I just can't understand the voting process.

If you go out and buy a candy bar, you get a receipt.

So if you vote, you should get your votes and a number on a watermarked paper receipt.

After voting, you go onto the internet and give a number a little different.

You get a screen full of 20 voters, yours included.   

Your number shows your votes.  You verify your vote.

The site also adds up all votes for the city, county, state, & national totals.

Shazzam, an honest election.  Something the Dimorats would be against.

Oh yes, Welcome to the Feast of Tabernacles after the Bood Moons.  Buckle your seat belts. Coming Oct 28.

 http://www.wnd.com/2016/09/traditional-marriage-hero-roy-moore-removed-from-office/

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Let's See Shorty
Date:	10/26/2016 9:53:25 PM

Texas has Republican Gov, Secretary of State and Director of Elections.

oting error "“The Straight Party vote for both the Republicans and Democrats did not automatically select one race on each ballot,” states the press release. "

Now, which party was responsible for the fraud? I rest my case as I look at my WalMart receipt....

Name:	Old Diver -	Reply
Subject:	Tell Me?
Date:	10/27/2016 2:42:13 PM

   Has anyone ever seen a voting machine change a Democratic vote to republican?

  As Stalin said:

    He who votes decides nothing.

    He who counts decides all!

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Tell Me?
Date:	10/27/2016 3:41:49 PM

In 2008 when Bush stole the election from Gore, there were many, many Dem votes that were machined changed to Bush in Florida. You asked for it and here is your answer. Now, report back to Stalin.....

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	Tell Me?
Date:	10/27/2016 4:33:02 PM

The hanging chads presented big problems.  Much too messy and accurate.

How to fix the paper ballot problems?  Easy.

Make a law that all voting in Florida is now electronic.

Problem solved.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Tell Me?
Date:	10/27/2016 5:27:46 PM (updated 10/27/2016 5:33:59 PM)

I thought it was unAmerican to question the voting process - just accept it!  You sir are no better then Trump, how dare you question the election process that is attack on the very fabric of this nation, you are unraveling our democracy! - that is just not who we are as Americans.  

now please post a link as to how a paper ballot was switched from gore to bush - that would be some creative use of scotch tape and i am sure that would have been spotted and documented.  Link please, because at the time it was a paper ballot, not electronic.

Now as I recall there was a huge problem with chads and hanging chads and who intended what.

The recount issues was he wanted to recount selected districts that were heavy democrat, probably so his cronies could stuff a few misplaced ballots into the box to get him over the top.

Fraud on either side is unacceptable - 1 person 1 vote counted correctly 

From the Republican hit rag CNN - 

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/31/politics/bush-gore-2000-election-results-studies/

Taken as a whole, the recount studies show Bush would have most likely won the Florida statewide hand recount of all undervotes. Undervotes are ballots that did not register a vote in the presidential race.

The studies also show that Gore likely would have won a statewide recount of all undervotes and overvotes, which are ballots that included multiple votes for president and were thus not counted at all. 

The study shows that Bush likely would have won the statewide recount of undervotes even if the U.S. Supreme Court had not intervened to stop the counting. It also reveals that, ironically, the most lenient standard of vote counting —advocated by Gore — gives Bush his biggest lead

But if both presidents are marked how can you determine who voted 1st or what was intended?  there is no way possible to be able as a voter to go back and indicate what you intended one you leave the poll.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Tell Me?
Date:	10/27/2016 5:31:14 PM

And we see how well electronic is working out in texas - 

And with florida as of 2012 data having NO paper trail, you would think they would have learned their lesson and spent the extra few hundred per voting station.

http://www.essvote.com/blog/52