Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Drain The Swamp
Date:	1/19/2017 2:33:28 PM

Guess it won't happen when Trump becomes President......

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Drain The Swamp
Date:	1/19/2017 3:55:34 PM

http://www.wkyc.com/news/politics/trump-will-carry-over-more-than-50-obama-administration-officials/388416077

Since you left out the site you got your information on, ill drop that one which appears to have the same info.

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration will carry over more than 50 key Obama administration officials after Inauguration Day as the president-elect tries to ensure continuity while putting his own team in place, the transition team said Thursday

But Spicer said Thursday that no decision had been made on whether Trump would nominate any of the carryovers to serve permanently.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-transition-appointments-scale/

Suprised you have not complained that he is unable to have all 4100 ready to go on day 1, and God forbid he not load every position with an alt-right, KKK or just bubba the drunk incompetent fisherman and give you more reasons to complain.

Wow - so business continunity and moving foward from day one is not on your radar - Guess you are just used to the way demonrats do it - flush them all, all the way down to the white house travel office and replace them with cronies and friends who dont know their head from from a goofball.  

Guess Obama must have appointed swamp dwellers - Guess he didnt vet them either, but maybe after a few years doing a job just because someone else put them there is no reason to send them packing, they *gasp* might actually be competent by now, but since you are the all seeing/knowning goofie your probably right - Obama probably vetted the worst person for the job, and put them there to be a hinderance on productivity with specific instructions if they survived the Trump inaguration to cause as much trouble as posisble and report everything to your wife, Daniel Dale.

I find it funny you keep saying you wish trump success, and bitch when he makes what about 99% of the world would look at as a wise decision.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Drain The Swamp
Date:	1/19/2017 4:16:09 PM

 Thanks for your response and support. I wish him well as an American as I assume you felt the same toward Obama. I may not agree with his positions but I don't want him to fail and drag us into a war or recession which Bush did. You can bitch about Obama but the country is in alot better shape than when Bush left office.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Drain The Swamp
Date:	1/19/2017 4:53:07 PM (updated 1/19/2017 5:00:05 PM)

"I wish him well as an American as I assume you felt the same toward Obama."

Obama makes Carter look intelligent.  His policies has crippled the economy and the energy sector.  His takeover of healthcare with the "pass it to read it" and we lied to the "stupid American people to get it passed is a joke.  I find it funny that since the the Trump election, housing is up, energy is up, stock market is up - so your telling me that all that was the magical Obama policies of the last 30 days?

I may not agree with his positions but I don't want him to fail and drag us into a war or recession which Bush did. 

unemployment #s

2008 was 9.2%, Bush left office in JAN 2009 where it went to 14.2, as high as 16.7 in 2010 and just last year came back to 9.9 %.

https://www.poynter.org/2014/fact-checking-the-war-comparisons-between-obama-and-bush/272471/

"Countries bombed: Obama 7, Bush 4."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/06/02/economically-could-obama-be-americas-worst-president/#7b4ba2dd30f5

The recession ended four years ago, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research.  So Obamanomics has had plenty of time to produce a solid recovery.  In fact, since the American historical record is the worse the recession, the stronger the recovery, Obama should have had an easy time producing a booming recovery by now.

Obama likes to tout that we are doing better now than at the worst of the recession.  But every recovery is better than the recession, by definition.  So that doesn’t mean much.

The right measure and comparison for Obama’s record is not to compare the recovery to the recession, but to compare Obama’s recovery with other recoveries from other recessions since the Great Depression.  By that measure, what is clear is that Obamanomics has produced the worst recovery from a recession since the Great Depression, worse than what every other President who has faced a recession has achieved since the Great Depression.

Obama’s economic performance has even been much worse than Bush’s.  Jeffrey H. Anderson, a senior fellow at the Pacific Research Institute, writes in Investors Business Daily on January 13, “Prior to Obama, the second term of President Bush featured the weakest gains in the gross domestic product in some time, with average annual (inflation-adjusted) GDP growth of just 1.9%, [according to the official stats at the Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)]”  

You can bitch about Obama but the country is in alot better shape than when Bush left office."

wow - just wow  you are delusional and need medication.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Drain The Swamp
Date:	1/19/2017 5:07:13 PM

Thanks for the speedy response. I miss your point. You need to ask those who lost heir homes under Bush, their savings, and their job. We live in 2 different worlds. But, you deserve an A for effort.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Drain The Swamp
Date:	1/19/2017 5:13:16 PM

Thanks for the speedy response. I miss your point. You need to ask those who lost heir homes under Bush, their savings, and their job. Bush left us in such a deep hole there was no way to recover overnight. What you fail to point out is that the recovery was from the worst recession since the depressison. We live in 2 different worlds. But, you deserve an C+ for effort.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Drain The Swamp
Date:	1/19/2017 5:36:55 PM

the point is apparently on top of your head with a dunce cap - 

http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/daniel-mitchell/average-family-today-has-less-income-when-obama-took-office

so housing tanked under Bush.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/21admin.html

Yes he made some mistakes - 

But the story of how we got here is partly one of Mr. Bush’s own making, according to a review of his tenure that included interviews with dozens of current and former administration officials.

From his earliest days in office, Mr. Bush paired his belief that Americans do best when they own their own home with his conviction that markets do best when let alone.

Mr. Bush did foresee the danger posed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored mortgage finance giants. The president spent years pushing a recalcitrant Congress to toughen regulation of the companies, but was unwilling to compromise when his former Treasury secretary wanted to cut a deal. And the regulator Mr. Bush chose to oversee them — an old prep school buddy —  *** See this is why you should hire qualified people and not old buddies. ***

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/12/hey-barney-frank-the-government-did-cause-the-housing-crisis/249903/

You do remember Barney Frank and the democrat legislature dont you?    I know i do where they refused to reform freddie and fannie - bush wanted to fix the problems and demonrats like yourself said nope - and we can see where that led.

We do live in two worlds - please ask Alice how to get out of the rabbit hole and back to reality, you receive a F- because we do not do participation awards for effort.

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Drain The Swamp
Date:	1/19/2017 6:29:23 PM

phil, phil, phil   Must you always deal in facts?  

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Goof-Butt
Date:	1/19/2017 6:56:40 PM

Trump is really smart.  He needs to keep at least 50 dimokrap janitors to clean the bathrooms and flush all the dimokrap krap away after 8 years.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Drain The Swamp
Date:	1/19/2017 9:17:51 PM

Back to your point, this is completely normal.  It is not unusual for Assisstant Secretaries who have no immediate job plans, to stay on and continue operations.  And I'll bet it is a lot more than 50.  Once the Secretaries get in place, they have to propose and have confirmed their staffs.  That's why I say that the 1st year of every administration is getting all of the appointees in place. 

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Drain The Swamp
Date:	1/19/2017 10:03:27 PM (updated 1/19/2017 10:11:06 PM)

To me a simple rule as to the state of the economy are car and light truck sales. Annual sales have increased around 80% since Obama became President. A damn good sign for the recovery.

I question if family income will really increase under Trump. Increased productivity continues to replace good paying jobs. Unions are weak with smaller demands for increases. Once again, I hope Trump can fullfill his pledge and bring back good paying jobs and not more robots.

Today, Trump said his cabinet has the highest IQ of any cabinet in history. With all these high IQs and Trump's ego, I am sure that those good jobs will be returning to the USA.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	What wrong with robots?
Date:	1/20/2017 6:21:07 AM

Robots are nothing more than high tech upgrades to the assembly line first brought to us by Henry Ford and don't think anybody would argue that he didn't increase  production exponentially. A robot can make the manufacturing more efficient and cheaper allowing for lower consumer pricing. The jobs don't go away, they just shift. Instead of making cars and trucks, washing machines, refrigerators, air conditioners or widgets and wonks, the workforce now builds and maintains robots. The issue is you must get the liberals out of the leadership of our education system and go back to educating our children to be prepared for the high tech jobs of producing high tech equipment, programming and setting up such equipment and all the ancillary jobs that will be needed

As long as our schools continue to turn out illiterate s who can't read but still get diplomas we are doomed. Other than education there is no other business or industry that has been as controlled by liberal Democrats in the last many decades and look at what has happened to the entire system. I honestly believe that most validictorians of today would be grade levels behind a student from the 40's and 50's. Today they come out well versed in social justice but think the justice system is a tool of racist suppression blacks. They know about the civil rights struggle but nothing of civics and how our government was set up to run. Teenage girls are forced to accept boys in their showers but kindergarten boys are sent to serial harassment re-education if they hold a little girls hand or kiss her on the check. They can't sign their name because it's to hard to teach them cursive but it doesn't matter because they are given names nobody can pronounce or spell anyway. They are coached and taught to misbehave in grade school so as to achieve the sought after "crazy check" thus relieving them of any personal responsibility or sense of accomplishment for life. They get a trophy just for showing up late.

Then we release them onto the business world where very little matters other than results they have no idea how to achieve.  If you can get them to show up they o ly have one hand and half a mind to use because the phone is in one hand their mind is focused on Facebook updates, or Instagram, or Twitter or tinder or some other social media. They demand $15hr for the most menial jobs which is more than soldiers who fight for their freedom to participate in foolish protests and the cops that protect them from other idiots that may wish to harm them for being stupid. They expect free Healthcare, free college they can't complete, free food, free personal hygiene products for women, free everything, but spend hundreds, even thousands getting tattoos err I mean "body art"  because they have to be free to express themselves.

Thank God in just under 6 hours the adults will be in charge again and hopefully we begin to MAGA.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Drain The Swamp
Date:	1/20/2017 10:15:22 AM

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/an-inconvenient-truth-it-was-george-w-bush-who-bailed-out-the-automakers

March 16, 2012

On December 19, 2008, a week after Republicans in the Senate had killed a bailout bill proposed by Democrats, saying it didn’t impose big enough wage cuts on the U.A.W., Bush unilaterally agreed to lend $17.4 billion of taxpayers’ money to General Motors and Chrysler, of which $13.4 billion was to be extended immediately. He had to twist the law to get the money. Deprived of congressional funding, he diverted cash from the loathed tarp program, which Congress had already passed, but which was supposed to be restricted to rescuing the banks. “I didn’t want there to twenty-one-per-cent unemployment,” he said to a meeting of the National Automobile Dealers Association in Las Vegas last month, explaining why he acted as he did. “I didn’t want history to look back and say, ‘Bush could have done something but chose not to do it.’ ”

Obama deserves a lot of credit for finishing the job that Bush and his Treasury Secretary, Hank Paulson, had started. He stood with the auto companies, which were victims of extraordinary circumstances beyond their control. As the price of the bailout, he also insisted on some changes at G.M., including the installation of new leadership and the elimination of several brands.

I like to rank the president by how loudly you/Archie bitch - it puts Trump as #1(remains to be seen - lets give him the benifit of the doubt and blame the first 6 years on Obama ), those anarchists Washington, Adams and Jefferson somewhere in the middle and Obama and Clinton tied in last place.

I think looking at any one small part of the economy is putting blinders on to the overall health of the economy.  First you wanted to bash Trump for allowing a handfull of demonrats to stay in a job, Then you want to move on to Bush wars and recession, Then housing losses under Bush ( Woops forgot to even bring up Clinton and the subprime mortages that HE started which started the downward spiral of home foreclosures ) and have now moved onto the auto sales for car and light trucks and unskilled factory workers being replaced by a robot to put lug nuts on a new car.  Bush started the  auto bailouts and Obama continued, does that mean that Bush caused the problems in the auto industry or that Obama solved them, Hell no to either..  The fact you can say we are so much better under Obama then anytime in history just shows how ignorant you are of history and continually place blame on any republican in the last 200 years while whitewashing history to make people who are just as culpable in the problem as pure as the driven snow angels.  

I am sure you will weep for this country in a few hours as the liberal progressive ideology is started to be dismantled.  

You stated in an earlier thread that you used to smoke a pipe so that you could think about what you had to say for a while so you would not sound like an idiot.  Either you forgot to exhale or you need to take it back up, because all I can say is DAMN.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Fake Posts
Date:	1/20/2017 4:06:41 PM

"The fact you can say we are so much better under Obama then anytime in history" When did I say this??????

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Factual Posts
Date:	1/20/2017 4:10:58 PM (updated 1/20/2017 4:15:34 PM)

Name:   GoneFishin  -  Subject:   Drain The Swamp Date:   1/19/2017 4:16:09 PM

 Thanks for your response and support. I wish him well as an American as I assume you felt the same toward Obama. I may not agree with his positions but I don't want him to fail and drag us into a war or recession which Bush did. You can bitch about Obama but the country is in alot better shape than when Bush left office.

Oh sorry - just since bush left, which as I pointed out in the conversation above - you need to stick to fishing because your grasp on reality has failed.  Please seek medical attention so you do not pose a danger to yourself or others.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Factual Posts
Date:	1/20/2017 5:18:37 PM

That is what I said and it is correct…. You can bitch about Obama but the country is in alot better shape than when Bush left office."

Now, this what you posted that I said which is an absolute lie…. "The fact you can say we are so much better under Obama then anytime in history"

You can post all you want with cartoons but post the truth.You nose keeps growing.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Factual Posts
Date:	1/23/2017 8:47:29 AM

For Goodbutt   I concede that I exageratted your point of our economy - which since is the only thing you indicate is a lie, then by your reasoning you have accepted the rest of my arguments as facts and again as any good democrat when confronted with the facts will change the metrics, debate topic and then find some microscopic fact to hang your hat on and then try to use some twisted logic to attempt to claim that the entire debate has been a shame due to microscopic point # 57.

Unlike your mainstream media - I have posted my correction right here for the world - not on page 23 under the fold.