Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Can anyone tell me why
Date:	7/19/2018 1:38:26 PM

no members of this forum are expressing the outrage that any American citizens should feel about Dear Leader's refusal to immediately tell Putin where to stick His proposal that in return for DoJ being allowed to come to Russia to question the 12 INDICTED Russian military spies the Russsians be allowed to question unindicted by anyone US citizens including a former ambassador?  Dear Leader says it is an "incredible offer".  Do anyone of you defend this?  Don't come back whining about something Obama or Clinton did or didn't do.  This is about Trump...tell me what you think of Trump's refusal so far to yet again walk back his initially warm reaction to his  Russian handler's suggestion!

Yeah yeah WIX and Phil, I know I'm an idiot unworthy of an answer.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Can anyone tell me why
Date:	7/19/2018 3:18:53 PM

He said today that it will not happen.  This was reinforced by the State Department today.  

Sorry to take the wind out of your moral outrage.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Can anyone tell me why
Date:	7/19/2018 3:22:37 PM (updated 7/19/2018 4:21:17 PM)

Archie should not stick his question where his sun dont shine?

You want an answer - here is a few

1. your an idiot.

2. Mueller just indicted 12 Russian high ranking officials, so far no court date, no evidence, nothing other then Russia did it and we are pretty sure its these 12, not sally or suzy next door or someone else who used a different computer but 100% guaranteed to be these 12 people from the other side of the planet.

3. Russia through whatever means basically did #2 there and would like to question a few US citizens.  I say why not if we make these people available in the US, under US control and supervised so no one gets murdered or tortured and no rights get violated.  You  claim they are unindicted - The ones Russia would like to question have actually, in Russia, been judged guilty by their courts, unlike the 12that  have been "INDICTED" not actually been taken to court and determined to be guilty by a court of law, but I guess you missed that.  

4. If you want to get to the truth - would it not be awesome if Russia sent those 12 over here for a trial? - you know with actual evidence and chain of custody of evidence etc.  I wonder how far that "INDICTED" will actually get in a true court of law and not the court of public opinion or between your brain dead ears -  where things like evidence actually matters.

5.  It was well said once that someone could indict a ham sandwitch.  Is this a ham sandwitch that Mueller slapped against the wall such as the last set of Russians he indicted and when they showed up in court he absolutly started attempting to require his evidence be under seal and not be allowed to be reviewed by the people he brought up on chrages as well as having to delay because he was not expecting anyone to show up to contest his verdict?

6. Somewhere in your diatribe you missed things like facts, evidence, court, due process and a guilty verdict.. you know democracy type things vs the oligarchy/dictactor/trump is hilter that you spew.

7. I think it would be an "incredible offer" if 12 Russian high ranking GRU members showed up for court in the USA to have their day in court.  I am suprised you do not think it would be a good thing to get to the bottom of it vs just convict in the court of public opinion, but then again that is all you ever seem to do.

8. For someone such as yourself who holds government and laws etc in such high regards, I am amazed you would prefer this not be looked at in the court of law, but hey lets go ahead and kangaroo it dictator style.  

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Another stupid try Phil
Date:	7/19/2018 8:38:43 PM

Now item 8 comes close to being sensible...yes I prefer the facts be revealed in a court of law, but a court in the USA and not Russia!

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Can anyone tell me why
Date:	7/19/2018 8:48:34 PM

Neither you nor he have taken no wind out of my moral outrage! It continues unabated as this fool continues to destroy all respect for our country.  I cannot understand why there is no outrage in you.  I guess you are so into the Kool Aide that you have been fooled into thinking Trump's first words were not his true thoughts (they always are) and that his walk back is something he does kicking and screaming with folded arms and a snarl because he has been forced to do so by the 3 or 4 people around him that still have a semblance of love of country in their minds and hearts and are willing to tell him he is wrong!

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Can anyone tell me why
Date:	7/20/2018 9:10:07 AM

I was outraged for about 8 years while you praised the Kenyan overlord, welcome to your new reality.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Another stupid try Archibald
Date:	7/20/2018 9:13:16 AM

Go back and read #3, you are insane and need to return to grade school for reading comprehension.

You do not believe in due process or the courts.  just the Kangaroo court of your public opinion.  Guilty and sentenced to death by decree of Auntie Archibald the 1st.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Can anyone tell me why
Date:	7/20/2018 1:55:33 PM

I have to say that, that little blast from you brought tears to my eyes.  It's so clear to me that you don't understand Washington and you sure don't understand anything about international relations.  You don't even understand Trump, as a human being.  He is an extrovert, adn extroverts say what is ever in their heads at the time.  It's not their best or final thought on a subject.  I don't think anyone made Trump revise his comments.  

So what exactly is your moral outrage getting you?  Have you changed anyone's mind here with your moral outrage?  No, you haven't and you will not, because you cannot argue with knowlege or facts  - you are operating on pure emotion.  And that leads you to make really bad decisions.  Just vote as you see fit in the next election and in the meantime, understand that your moral outrage is nothng but your opinion blasted in an unorganized way.  

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Can anyone tell me why
Date:	7/20/2018 8:56:39 PM

Hound, one of my sons is significantly liberal and his wife is over the top liberal.  Engaging in thoughtful and meaningful dialogue with them is impossible.  They dispute facts with feelings and opinions, and any attempt at dialogue ends up with them reacting emotionally, angry as hell, yet impossible to explain why they are angry.  Their behavior, and that of our two most vociferous liberal posters lead me to the conclusion that conservatives think, but liberals feel.  By the way, why don't you tell us how you really feel about Archie and his incessant rants, lol!

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Can anyone tell me why
Date:	7/21/2018 1:02:20 PM

Yes, I know a few liberals and they get so angry.  Smart people, but I think they have lost their ability to think reasonably.  I blame it on the echo chamber - where they have come to only read their liberal beliefs, so they are reinforced as to the rightness of their cause.  I had one post the other day that Trump wasn't the legitimate president.  I pointed out to her that our country has always accepted the electoral college decision as to who won the election, so now why was she rejecting that concept as false.  Crickets.  

I guess I am just tired of Architects emotional rants about how we are supposed to feel "if we were good and decent" people.  My feeling is that he should, like the rest of us, vote his beliefs in the next election and stop raving about it here.  If he is so convinced that conservatives are so wrong, then why does he insist on being here?  There are tons of liberal echo chamber forums where his views would be embraced.