Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	COVID hospitalization numbers meaningless?
Date:	9/14/2021 8:40:15 AM

According to an article in the Atlantic, a very thorough study of 50,000 patients classified as Covid hospitalizations indicated that in 2021 almost half of them had mild symptoms or were asymptomatic and were likely in the hospital for some other reason or possibly improperly admitted.  If this number holds true for the rest of country what it means is that this number should be immediately cut in half.  Of course my guess is that the asymptomatic cases didn't even have the virus but were a false positive using the PCR test with too many CTs.  So take it with a huge grain of salt when they find some locale with a hospital overrun with ChiCom virus patients.  Those stories are usually made up by some woke doctor or nurse looking for attention or don't reflect the reality that possibly half the patients aren't there for the virus.  

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	COVID hospitalization numbers meaningless?
Date:	9/14/2021 9:23:42 AM

Last week, CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said new data showed that as delta surged, the unvaccinated were 4.5 times more likely than the fully vaccinated to get infected, over 10 times more likely to be hospitalized and 11 times more likely to die.

I assume you have the facts to show this is  just more wonk lies.

Name:	HARRY -	Reply
Subject:	COVID hospitalization numbers meaningless?
Date:	9/14/2021 9:28:22 AM

Why are you so hellbent on downplaying the severity of this virus? If you are not concerned with your health or that of your loved ones than so be it. Why constantly try to convince others to feel the same way?

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Simple answer
Date:	9/14/2021 9:40:20 AM (updated 9/14/2021 10:06:33 AM)

Because the response to this pandemic has been unprecedented in terms of government overreach and restrictions on the lives of the American people.  One would think, unless you just love govt control for its own sake, that you would want that to happen based on actual facts, real numbers, etc. I know I do.

You are sadly mistaken if you think I don't care about my wellbeing or the health of others.  But I also am a scientist and want decisions made based on science, facts, logic and reason.......and throw in a dose of critical thinking.  Here's a fact.  At my age and my health condition the mortality rate is around 0.3%....exactly the same as the seasonal flu.  Maybe it's just me but I don't ever recall having to wear a mask, work from home or be forced to take an experimental gene therapy in order to work for the seasonal flu.  That so many morons like you cower in fear is exactly what those in control want....sheeple.  Sorry, but I have the ability to use my intellectual abilities to make my own health care decisions in consultation with my doctor....I don't need Karen's like you or totally untrustworthy govt scientists telling me what to do.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	COVID hospitalization numbers meaningless?
Date:	9/14/2021 9:51:06 AM

Now do try to stay on task Goofy.  This is a question about the numbers that are being presented that are the basis for many of the decisions that are being made.  One would think you would want those numbers to be correct.  I know that's asking a lot.

As for the current numbers in the U.S., while I take pretty much everything coming out of CDC and NIH with a huge grain of salt because they have been consistent....consistently wrong, I have always acknowledged that the rMNA gene therapy's primary benefit was the lessening of symptoms, reduced hospitalizations and lower deaths for those infected.  In fact, if you go back you will see me stating that this is one very good reason to get the shot and a no brainer for those over age 65 or 70 and those with compromised immune systems or other co-morbdidites.  Not so much for those of us at very little risk of being hospitalized or dying from the virus.

But I also am aware that this has never been done in the middle of a pandemic and many of the concerns/predictions by eminent virologists and vaccinologists about antibody dependent enhancement and development of more virulent strains have come to pass.  I don't know about you but when someone predicts something based on their understanding of how viruses actually work come to pass I tend to give their opinions a bit more credence than the govt scientists that have been wrong over and over again.  But I know how you leftists think.....as long as their intentions are good they don't have to be right.  That is one of many reasons I am not a leftist.  I actually understand the quality of scientists that work for the govt....and it isn't good.  

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	What am I missing???? Please help.....
Date:	9/14/2021 9:57:58 AM

" At my age and my health condition the mortality rate is around 99.7%....exactly the same as the seasonal flu."

What am I missing from the self professed expert's post? 99.7% mortality posts seems to this vaccinated believer as 99.7 out of 100 die from the virus and flu at your age. Am I reading it incorrectly or is the "scientist" once again showing the failure of his church education?

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	COVID hospitalization numbers meaningless?
Date:	9/14/2021 11:26:32 AM (updated 9/14/2021 11:38:18 AM)

Wheres the mask that we have been told saves lives, protects all those around you?  Is he attempting to help Newsom keep his position in the recall election or murder him ?  Are they planning a group suicide since neither is masked?  Just asking for the "science" we keep hearing about but watching it get violated by those who make the rules.

Guess he has no issues killing Newsom, just like the aid worker and his family he killed in Afganastan via drone, just here he is killing people in person.

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	COVID hospitalization numbers meaningless?
Date:	9/14/2021 2:11:23 PM (updated 9/14/2021 2:14:07 PM)

Sharpest knife in the drawer, Malone has had enough.

https://www.wnd.com/2021/09/doctors-form-new-alliance-combat-censorship-lifesaving-covid-info/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=wnd-breaking&utm_campaign=breaking&utm_content=breaking&ats_es=8f0f31e51307de3cf7a69311bae87aa2

https://www.wnd.com/2021/09/soaring-roof-vaccine-deaths-skyrocket/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=wnd-breaking&utm_campaign=breaking&utm_content=breaking&ats_es=8f0f31e51307de3cf7a69311bae87aa2

pitiful

https://twitter.com/TheLeoTerrell/status/1435953388135632898?cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	COVID hospitalization numbers meaningless?
Date:	9/14/2021 2:59:53 PM (updated 9/14/2021 3:09:10 PM)

Look at it this way, we have all died about 100 times in past years due to net neutrality, global cooling, warming, climate change.  According to the "science" we have only about 10 years left before we are all dead anyway, Apparently now we will be all be killed early by Covid-19 and those that survive will be sterile so the end of humanity is upon us for the 101st time or at least that is what the "science" is saying yet again.

Maybe GFY should just learn to say neigh!!!

Name:	HARRY -	Reply
Subject:	Simple answer
Date:	9/14/2021 4:48:13 PM (updated 9/14/2021 4:50:32 PM)

Reminding me that you are a scientist doesn't answer the question. And I wish that you and others would stop comparing this virus to seasonal flu.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Simple answer
Date:	9/14/2021 5:01:03 PM

As someone who was hospitalized years ago with the regular flu, after waiting 36 hours in the ER to be seen, another 24 to start any treatments, but Covid just put me to bed for a few days I do not mind the comparison.

Besides where did the flu from the annual flu season go to ????  Seems that which kills and hospitalises so many annually just decided to take a vacation.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Simple answer
Date:	9/14/2021 5:40:16 PM

I answered your question completely.  I never said this virus was the same as the seasonal flu....I stated that for someone my age and physical condition the IFR is around 0.3% which is the same as the seasonal flu.  This particular virus is very transmissive and also more deadly for those over age 70-75 and with two or more co-morbidities than the seasonal flu although less dangerous for those under age 25 than the seasonal flu.  Those are the facts Jack so deal with it.  That is why I have long advocated for those at most risk to take a chance on the rMNA gene therapies.  The risk-reward makes it worth it.  For everyone else it may be a different equation. 

I suppose you probably agree with Kamala that we need to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated, right?  Do you realize just how stupid that statement is.....assuming the gene therapies work.  Oh wait, now they have changed the definition of a vaccine to fit these therapies but words have meaning and I refuse to call them vaccines.  The reality is that they are now being called treatment regimes and not vaccines.....which is fine because that's what they are.  But based on my research there are a number of effective treatment regimes that I would prefer to one that has not been tested for long-term effects.  Your mileage may vary but for me I'll stick with treatments that I know are safe and won't cause antibody dependent enhancement and the development of variants.  You do whatever you think is best for you and I will do likewise for me.  I've got my prescription for Ivermectin, Z-pac and prednisone.  I take a number of supplements like zinc, quereciten, vitamin D and vitamin C and so far, knock on wood I have not gotten the virus.  But if I do I am ready with my doctor prescribed treatments that I will apply within 5 days of onset symptoms.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Simple answer
Date:	9/14/2021 5:43:00 PM

Sounds like your experience was like 99.7% of the people that got the virus.  These leftists are so scientifically illiterate and filled with irrational fear that no amount od scientific evidence with convince them......they are invincibly ignorant.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Typical MM post
Date:	9/15/2021 8:24:26 AM (updated 9/15/2021 8:26:31 AM)

It starts with a ''subject'' that implies he is about to reveal facts and truth but the bottom line purpose of the body of the comment is to spread nothing but opinion backed up by no facts!  Typical for the forums superior intellectual (that is in his own mind though CRD is trying to become his equal) and typical that the sheeple on this forum accept it as gospel.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Simple answer
Date:	9/15/2021 8:52:16 AM

Whats funny is that they act like there was never long lines during the normal flu season or any deaths at all - Got to the ER around 3pm  on a Friday and my normal drs office could not work me in, when I was told what the wait time was I went home, showered, slept what I could through the night, got up went back around noon and was still on the list and still had a long wait.  Then when I was actually pulled to the back it was 4-5 hours before being seen by a dr, 2 hours for X-rays, to be told I had the flu.

And on top of that I had the regular annual flu shot 2 months before that Drs trip.  I actually coughed so much I developed a hernia where they took my appendix years before.

But they do not want to hear anything other then take your shot, mask up for the rest of your life and get used to the "new normal".  Anyone who questions anything or even seems to not be in lock step sheep mode should be exiled.

They can stick that in the same place where their head is normally located - in their buttocks.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Typical Antifatech post
Date:	9/15/2021 8:54:39 AM

OMG, were you looking in a mirror while typing?

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Simple answer
Date:	9/15/2021 11:10:50 AM

I clearly recall the H1N1 flu season where we had entire offices out of work for a week.  This virus has been nothing remotely close to that impact.  If we have one person at a time with it in one of our offices that is a lot.  The initial response to this was political and now they are drunk on power and want to prolong it with the help of the panic porn obsessed media looking for clicks and viewers.  Fortunately they also have a big assist from scientifically illiterate people like Harry and Goofy that likewise seem to thrive on the panic porn.  All this for a virus that has a 99%+ survival rate.......higher than the survival rate of the vaccinated.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Simple answer
Date:	9/15/2021 11:22:37 AM

Sheep are always gonna sheep - assuming the correct party is in charge.

If Trump had won a second term - In my opinion the same ones screaming vax up would be still unvaxxed and denying the "science".  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Simple answer
Date:	9/15/2021 1:58:51 PM

I suppose you are correct although a pretty good chunk of the unvaccinated are likely Biden voters.  It's funny, I have no problem with people that decided to get the jab, even those that I believe did not need it.  But many of the vaccinated are militant about the unvaccinated being forced to submit to it.  I still believe there is a great deal of doubt and nagging anxiety about the long-term effects and the last thing you want is to have voluntarily made a poor health care decision that comes back to haunt you.  One way to ameliorate that is to have everyone in the same boat...even if by force.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	COVID hospitalization numbers meaningless?
Date:	9/15/2021 3:22:43 PM

Nah, you don't understand.  The ChiCom virus is not transmissive with liberal Democrats, during Antifa/BLM riots, at the Met Gala, weddings they are attending, Obama's bday bash, etc.  Masks are only necessary when the cameras are around or when they are scolding the rest of us....not for actual protection.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	COVID hospitalization numbers meaningless?
Date:	9/15/2021 3:57:02 PM

Makes sense when you think about it, we only worry mainly about human to human transmission currently.  Makes sense why they can not seem to spread it around.

Name:	HARRY -	Reply
Subject:	Simple answer
Date:	9/15/2021 4:18:48 PM (updated 9/15/2021 4:20:38 PM)

Still haven't answered why you feel it's your job to lobby against the vaccine. And now you bring up the H1N1 strain as if it had even a fraction of the effect as this virus has had. I may be scientifically illiterate but I do know that I have had 6 friends and at least 10 or 12 more acquaintances that have died due to COVID. Fortunately I have never known anyone that died from seasonal flu. Which do you think science would determine was more dangerous?

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Simple answer
Date:	9/15/2021 5:07:22 PM

Science tells me to stay away from you, you seem to be the common link in high covid infections and fatalities.

I work with and personally know lots of people from recently born last week up through I think 93 is the current oldest.  30 to 35 out of what I consider family, close friends and co-workers caught covid of any type and none of those I know have passed away. 

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Another simple answer..not that it will matter
Date:	9/15/2021 7:02:07 PM

Because the govt is going to mandate that I violate my own personal health choices and take an experimental gene therapy in the middle of a pandemic in order for me to work, to travel, to go to stores, entertainment venues, sporting events, etc.  Things that have never happened in the history of this country.  Because the issues raised early on about the variants is coming to pass and pretty much everything that the CDC and NIH has told us has been a lie or wrong.  Because the govt violated our personal property rights in response to this virus, something that has never happened before and as we have seen didn't work and came at immense expense to tens of millions of Americans, some to the point of personal financial ruin.  Because Karen's like you that took the jab like a good little sheeple now take it as your responsibility to tell me how to live my life when it comes to this issue.  Because we know the science says that people that have had the virus are 13 to 20 times better protected than with the gene therapy.  Because we know that this particular virus is for the vast majority of Americans no more deadly than the seasonal flu. Because we know that the only way to defeat a virus is through herd immunity or the development of a vaccine that kills the virus, not fake ones that make you less sick.   Because we know that effective early treatment using time tested medications are just as effective as the experimental gene therapy in preventing hospitalization and death without the adverse effects and deaths caused by the gene therapies and without the question of what the long-term consequences are of these experimental therapies.  Can I make myself any clearer or did I type too fast?

It's hard to imagine, but it seems like you missed the last year and a half of what has happened in this country and around the world.  And given the number of people you personally know that have died, all I can say is I'm glad I don't know you because it's like a death sentence.  You are a statistical freak and knowing you is very bad luck indeed.  Your desire for me to shut up is just a visceral reaction to my raising salient issues that should make many question their decision (not all as I have stated often...but many).  I get that and I understand.....for many people they should be questioning their decision.  You took the jab because they told you it would make you immune to the virus.  It didn't, it just caused other variants to form that cause breakthrough infections.  Just ask Israel how things are working out for them and how things are working out in Sweden.  You took the jab because they told you that the mask would no longer be needed and you could go about your business only find out that you still have to wear one to be protected from the unvaccinated!!!!!  Great product there.  And yet here you are whining and worrying about what other people are or are not willing to do and questioning the gene therapies with facts, logic and reason.

To quote Alan Watts (1915-1973)  "Many people never grow up. They stay all their lives with a passionate need for external authority and guidance, pretending not to trust their own judgment."  That quote describes you to a tee.  So you were a good little sheeple and took the jab without thinking twice and that's OK with me.  But it's not for me and I sure as heck am not going to listen to a bunch of third rate scientists and doctors at CDC and NIH to make my decision.  I'll do it with my doctor and with informed consent...... or not do it.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Simple answer
Date:	9/15/2021 7:08:10 PM (updated 9/15/2021 7:22:55 PM)

He reminds me of the guy that would call into an Atlanta radio station traffic team multiple times in a morning about wrecks and the radio host would say the message here is to stay away from so and so.  I always find it interesting that all the vax zealots know 25 people that have died from the ChiCom virus, all of them were unvaccinated, they know no one that ever died from a previous virus and they have never heard of anyone having an adverse reaction to the jab.  Funny how that works.....