Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	People Quitting their Jobs in Record Numbers
Date:	10/16/2021 3:50:34 PM

I saw a clip and read an article that said people are quitting their jobs in record numbers.  The reasons cited are: wages, working conditions and not wanting to return to a work site after working from home.  It would seem that people don't just want $15 an hour now, but $21 an hour.  They want to have their butts kissed and work from home at their convenience.  

It makes me wonder about the labor market.  This is so foreign to me - when I was beginning my career, I didn't expect to have my butt kissed - if anything, I was expected to do the kissing of the people that would teach me what I needed to know.  When I began working, we didn't even have flex time.  If "the boss" growled at you, you sucked it up.  

I've also been reading articles about how rude people have become, yelling and screaming at employees.  Is this adding to the problem in the job market?  

I'm wondering where all this is going to go.  Any thoughts?

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	People Quitting their Jobs in Record Numbers
Date:	10/16/2021 5:31:51 PM

After experiencing the arrogance, inefficiency, and BS of “home workers” I can tell you what I see as the problem.  First, I’ll mention my qualifications to answer….I worked my entire working career, working from home, when not on the road, never worked in a Tajma Hall? Office environment…Also, I had a number of subordinates who also worked from home.  The problem, as I see it, is the covid situation demanded managers, business owners, gubment managers to quickly close their offices and send employees home to attempt to work without thinking through the bad possibilities.  Answer:  Anyone working from home must be on an incentive plan of some type.  Simply, you want to make money without supervision….pay for work accomplished, not by the hour.  Your typical office worker, does the job because someone is standing above them pushing….work w/o supervisor…..pay for the work completed.  

I recently had a conversation with a lake friend who just couldn’t believe anyone would spend their whole career working on incentive, commission based jobs……you don’t work and achieve…you and your family don’t eat…simple.  Most of today’s “workers” watch the clock, their motivation is to do as little as possible to collect that pay check.  When you call customer service and there’s a baby crying in the background, you might as well hang up!

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	People Quitting their Jobs in Record Numbers
Date:	10/16/2021 10:25:03 PM (updated 10/16/2021 10:33:28 PM)

Can you imagine a hamburger flipper getting sorry and lazy earning this?

It took me 2 hours to cut a yard for $3.50. ('73-'74) See meme.

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019/business/us-minimum-wage-by-year/index.html

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	People Quitting their Jobs in Record Numbers
Date:	10/17/2021 9:44:00 AM

Clearly, what worked for you would not work for everyone.  A lot of people need structure in order to accomplish their work.  I always felt that the employees in my last 3 jobs didn't need me to stand over them - for the most part, they were self starters and would have accomplished the mission without me.  My job was to create the environment for them to do their best work, and see that they got opportunities for additional training or job enrichment.  

I've actually always been a proponet of working from home.  Living in DC area and dealing with the frustration of the traffic and stress of just getting to work, I've alway felt that working from home would make people just as productive.  I have a "thing" about stress - I lived with a lot of work stress for years, and  I realize it took a toll on my health.  Stress produces cortisol and cortisol creates an inflammatory response.  

I understand that not everyone wants to make work the entire focus of their lives.  But I feel like the techology has pushed us to this.  I was a person who was getting texts at 10 o'clock at night about work issues that could have waited until the next day.  I started my career before there was the technology, and one of the benefits was that it gave us time to really think about a response before responding.  

I'm a little taken back by the nastiness we are seeing in the workplace.  And it goes both ways - customers are ruder and more impatient, but the workers are also more likely to snap back and curse the customers out, because something isn't going their way.  

I'm just wondering how all these people quitting their jobs are going to support themselves.  They won't be eligible for unemployment if they quit, so are they planning on filing for welfare?  

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	People Quitting their Jobs in Record Numbers
Date:	10/17/2021 6:12:51 PM

As to quitting or getting fired….all they do is not work and the get fired and Hiden and the dimokraps put them on a forever dole from Uncle Sugar….nobody just quits.  Agree that many (maybe most) workers will not be productive without close supervision, but most also are not motivated by success.  Over time those that prove they can be productive regardless of where they work will rise up and be successful, and those dimokrap slugs will go back to welfare!

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	Changing Times
Date:	10/18/2021 1:22:50 AM

I came a few years ahead of you in the "lawn cutting business". As a teenager I actually had one yard that I cut from 1957 to 1961 for $3.00 that was over an "acre", got no "raises" or "tips", and my lawn mower was not "self-propelled". Also for a quarter(25 cents), I went to the Saturday Cowboy Movie for 14 cents, had a bag of popcorn for 10 cents, and had a "penny" left over for a piece of bubble gum. By the way, the lawn cutting was usually in the 95 degree range in the hot north Alabama sunshine. Also, we went to school six weeks during the summer, and then let out six weeks to help the farmers "pick" cotton. We were paid $3.00 per one hundred pounds picked and you really had to be a "good picker" picker if you could pick 200 pounds a day. You used either a 6 foot or 9 foot long bag and would pull it to the "wagon" to weigh when it got too heavy to "puii". After six weeks we went back to school and believe me we were ready to go back. And to those of us that are still around to remember, those were the good "ole" days in my "hometown" of Town Creek, Alabama. My how times have "changed" and I would like to have a "one on one" wiith "Biden".

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	People Quitting their Jobs in Record Numbers
Date:	10/18/2021 8:24:42 AM (updated 10/18/2021 9:11:10 AM)

My thinking it is a combination of factors.  No doubt the last year and a half gave far too many people a taste of being on the govt dole and human nature being what it is far too many would find being able to do just fine and sit at home not working to be acceptable.  I also think that a lot of people feel very disjointed and isolated working from home.  We are social beings and are not meant to be isolated, especailly after many years of working with people. Also, some people that are being asked to come back to the workplace don't want to because of fear of the virus or deciding they like working at home.  So they are quitting their current job and finding another that lets them continue to do so.  So far I don't think the mandates are a big factor but come December 8th they may be. 

I saw that Delta has already ended their mandate and expect to be around 95% vaccinated.   Lest you think that's a small number, that means between 4,000 and 5,000 of their employees have decided not to get the vaccine.  If they lost all these people at one time it would be disastrous.  Just ask Southwest what 1,000 employees calling in sick can do to an airline.....oh wait, I mean bad weather and ATC delays. 

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Changing Times
Date:	10/18/2021 9:23:02 AM

Dang, Buteye, for a minute I thought you were raised just down the road from me……but I had never heard of Town Creek.  Looked it up, and yes, you were raised in the middle of “cotton country” better known as the Tennessee River valley…..the last real cotton country in Alabama.  The Black Belt has all turned into pine tree country; very few row crops left where I was raised.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	People Quitting their Jobs in Record Numbers
Date:	10/18/2021 10:42:19 AM

I never minded working in an office - I liked being around other people and enoyed the interactions and kicking around ideas.  But, after fighting the day to day traffic in DC, I would not have minded the option of working from home either.  

I just keep wondering how all these people plan to support themselves when they quit their job.  Right now some employers are still okay with working from home but I don't see that continuing forever. 

Conceptually, I get the idea that people want to be treated respectfully, but sometimes getting kicked in the butt can be a motivator too, especially when you are young and need to be reminded that you don't know everything.  

I guess this all goes along with the current liberal concept of the social safety net and social welfare.  If I am unhappy with my job, instead of looking for another one while working the job I dislike, then I just quit and someone else supports me while I find one that makes me happy.  

LOL, I remember a conversation with a military colleague.  I was complaining about work and he looked over and said "you are like my wife.  You think it is supposed to be all happy and fun.  Why do you think they call it work?" And we both laughed, because he was right.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	People Quitting their Jobs in Record Numbers
Date:	10/18/2021 11:26:46 AM

What's funny is that when people complained about some decision we made I would remind them that this was important so we could all remain member's of the biweekly paycheck club......not sure that will resonate as much today as they can access the dole for their biweekly cash from the govt.