Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Tracking the Rittenhouse Trial
Date:	11/8/2021 3:04:11 PM (updated 11/8/2021 4:10:03 PM)

After watching as much of this as I can it is almost inconcievable the guy was charged the way he was.  It seems like almost every prosecution witness ends up confirming that the guy fired in self defense.  And the until recently released overhead FBI video from a drone makes it very apparent he was running for his life, was attacked by the two dead and one wounded Antifa rioter and only fired his weapon after a shot was fired and when the survivor rioter pointed his gun at him.  This after he was hit over the head with a skateboard and one of the dead rioters tried to grab his gun.  

 Here is a photo of the prosecutor when their star witness admitted that Rittenhouse only fired at him after he pulled his gun and pointed it at him.  A firearm he was concealed carrying despite not have a valid permit to do so.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Tracking the Rittenhouse Trial
Date:	11/8/2021 3:53:31 PM

The fact that charges were even brought is a joke.

The prosecutor should be on trial instead.

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	Rittenhouse 1 Commies 0
Date:	11/8/2021 4:38:01 PM (updated 11/8/2021 4:44:37 PM)

Game over

https://trendingpolitics.com/cased-closed-kyle-rittenhouse-attacker-admits-kyle-didnt-shoot-until-gun-was-pointed-at-him-watch/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=cased-closed-kyle-rittenhouse-attacker-admits-kyle-didnt-shoot-until-gun-was-pointed-at-him-watch

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Tracking the Rittenhouse Trial
Date:	11/8/2021 4:45:59 PM

Saw where the witness who got shot in the arm admitted that he pulled the gun on Rittenhouse, and then Rittenhouse fired at him.  Turns out that guy was there from somewhere else, trying to help out too.  He lied by omission to the police, because he didn't tell them he was armed.  

I guess I find the biggest fault with Rittenhouse's parents.  I have no idea why you would drive your 17 year old there, armed with a gun that he could not legally own and drop him off into chaos.  He could have been killed, just as easily as he killed someone else.  Teenagers need help with their judgement, because their brains are not yet mature.  Now he is on trial and could serve time in prison for something his mother should have prevented.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Rittenhouse 1 Commies 0
Date:	11/8/2021 4:46:27 PM

I wouldn't be so sure.  The jurors are already being threatened if they don't come back with the "right" verdict.  What probably needs to happen is the judge makes a directed verdict of dismissal.  Not sure if he has the courage.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Tracking the Rittenhouse Trial
Date:	11/8/2021 5:10:46 PM

I'm sure he would agree it would have been better if he had not gone but once he was there he had a right to defend himself.  And his mother has said she didn't drive him there and didn't know he was there.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Tracking the Rittenhouse Trial
Date:	11/9/2021 6:30:28 AM

Yes, he had the right to defend himself.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Some more interesting details that I missed
Date:	11/9/2021 9:57:35 AM

A couple of other tidbits that I had missed.

The rioter indicated he feared for Rittenhouse's life as he was being attacked by other rioters.

The rioter indicated that Rittenhouse was fleeing to get to the police.

Here are the 5 essential elements for self defense:

• Innocence: You can’t have started the fight.
• Imminence: You are in imminent danger of great bodily injury or death.
• Proportionality: Use deadly force if you are confronted with deadly force.
• Reasonableness: Were you reasonable in your reaction?
• Avoidance: Run away if possible before using deadly force.

Rittenhouse hits on all five of these elements in every way.  This should never get to the jury as there are attorneys all over the place screaming that this is a prime case for a directed verdict by the judge.  And the jury did not get to hear the criminal records of the rioters, including the one that survived that had been convicted on weapons charges and had pretty much spent the last year traveling from riot to riot and streaming them live on Fakebook.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	Some more interesting details that I missed
Date:	11/9/2021 10:29:27 AM

If the prosecuter is anything but a total lackey for the democrat higher ups he would stand up in open court and move for dismissal himself.  I aint holding my breath.  I read a couple of legal folks saying early on in the circus that he was acting like he wanted to loose the case.  That pic says it all.  He knows that no reasonable jury would convict after that, but reasonable and jurors  is not a thing these days, especially with their lives being threatened so publicly.  

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	Tracking the Rittenhouse Trial
Date:	11/9/2021 3:22:34 PM

The judge knew from beginning that it was a trash case.  Wonder why he can't stop the trial now?  Total waste of resources!

anyone who saw the videos knew there was no case and he deserved a metal!

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	This is for Phil
Date:	11/9/2021 3:28:59 PM

I don't have you on ignore, but you must have me on ignore.  But with regard to your tirade about being able to sign up for the miltary at 17, but not defend a business with a gun at 17:

There have been many studies that show that the brain is not fully mature until age 25 for males and a bit before that for females.  It was impulsive thinking on Rittenhouse's part to rush decide to insert himself in that situation, and impulsive thinking is why so many teenagers find themselves in trouble.  Another example is the 16 year old that was tossing coal at cyclists and then decided to run them over with a truck.  

In the case of the military, they don't just thrust a gun into the hands of a 17 year old recruit - there is a lot of training happening, teaching reasoning and a logical thought process before they are sent off with a gun.  A lot of them are washed out of basic training as unsuitable.  

But be that as it may, I do support Kyle Rittenhouse and I think at the end of the day, he will not be found guilty - and if he is, I don't see him spending time in jail.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Tracking the Rittenhouse Trial
Date:	11/9/2021 3:31:36 PM

Ah, but for politics.... Remember this took place in the wake of the shooting of a black person by police.  In some people's minds, the rioting and the looting were justified.  I think the judge will let the trial go on, because he doesn't want to be removed from the bench by political fiat.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	This is for Phil
Date:	11/9/2021 3:37:57 PM

I wish I shared your optimism about the outcome of this trial.  I do think at a minimum he will be convicted on gun charges of some kind.  And it would be great if he spends no more time in jail than he already did before he was bailed out but I doubt that as well.  I agree about the brain development issue but the reality is that even at 17 he could have a gun for hunting.  When you watch the video he showed amazing restraint for someone his age but at the end of the day he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and regardless of his age or judgement the decisions that led him to that time and place were not very good at all.  My pessimistic side leads me to guess the best he can hope for is a mistrial.  And even if he is acquitted what do you want to bet he is immediately charged by the Feds.  

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	This is for Hound
Date:	11/9/2021 4:36:49 PM (updated 11/9/2021 5:00:35 PM)

You do not have me on ignore? - but do not respond to my post?  Sorry dont buy it, you put me on ignore me when I called you out on your smashing windows for social justice, you may have removed it at some point - then why did you not respond to me, instead of where you did?  Usually the only times we see that is when you can not respond correctly because the person you want to respond to is on ignore.

Found this - in terms of training, marines had a much longer schedule then others.  Army was hand to hand and weapons training with basic rifle marksmanship in weeks 4-5. 

So glad to know that our safety depends on people whos brains will not mature till 25ish, another 8-10 years down the road for young recruits.

 https://www.marinesbootcamphq.com/marine-corps-boot-camp-schedule/

Training Week One

On Monday, expect a rude awakening. Drill Instructors are fierce and will address every mistake a recruit makes at this point.

You will be instructed on Marine Corps Core Values: Honor, Courage, and Commitment.

You’ll meet your new best friend—your M16A4 rifle. And you’ll learn the Rifleman’s Creed.

You will disassemble, clean, assemble and drill with your rifle until handling it becomes second nature.

You will run everywhere you go.

Sound off until your voice is hoarse.

When you’re not running, you’ll be practicing drill in formation with the platoon.

Week Six

Marine Boot Camp training week six consists of another PFT, the bayonet assault course, pugil stick fighting, martial arts training, and a written test on Marine Corps Customs, Courtesies, and Traditions.

There is also ongoing instruction and testing on Marine Corps history. A large part of recruit training, besides physical fitness, is understanding the history of the Marine Corps, which the recruit will soon be joining.

If recruits are training at San Diego, they will take buses to Camp Pendleton for Weapons and Field Training Battalion. Up next? Firing the M16 rifle.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	This is for Phil
Date:	11/9/2021 4:58:25 PM

Sadly he can not in Illinois or Wisconsin - I think that is the minumum they will try to get him on with underaged in posession.  I think I saw 21 in Illinois and 18 apparently in Wisconsin.

Many states there is not an age to possess.

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	Talking about a rotten commie stench
Date:	11/9/2021 11:10:14 PM

The entire system is against him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdc6v6BEBG4

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	This is for Hound
Date:	11/10/2021 9:46:16 AM

Well, I saw your post when I was logged on as "guest" but did not see it when I was logged on.  So I went and looked and I did have you on ignore, but removed it now.  

I don't hold a grudge.  If you called me out on something, I might have been annoyed at the time, but I don't keep it going. Believe me, I've been called out by tougher people than this.  I once had the CINC Southcom, who at the time was General Thurman, call me out in a roomful of people. over something I said about the availability of helicopter parts for some COBRAs we were giving to Central American countries for the war on guerillas and drugs.  And I survived.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	This is for Hound
Date:	11/10/2021 9:56:07 AM

Yes, you are talking about basic training.  But in my opinion, the military training, and including the mental indoctrination, is much more extensive.  A military friend likened it to "tearing you down, but then building you back up".  And there is training beyond basic.  Besides, except in recent years, no one brought you up on charges for killing the enemy.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Tracking the Rittenhouse Trial
Date:	11/10/2021 10:05:24 AM

In reading through the recaps, it's clear that there is much more at stake than just one young man's life.  It's a whole political thing too.  I feel like in some ways, he's carrying  the whole of people's rights to defend themselves.  And that seems like a lot to put on the shoulders of one young man.  

I am hoping that he just gets found guilty of the gun charge and that he gets probation, so he can go back to his life and go to school or whatever it is he wants to do.  But what I am afraid is that the pro-gun lobby will put him on the speech circuit.  I hope he doesn't get used in the process.  And I firmly belief in an individuals right to defend themselves.  

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	This is for Hound
Date:	11/10/2021 11:55:21 AM (updated 11/10/2021 12:00:45 PM)

I dont hold any grudges - just that I care a little less about your points of view/point of view of government insiders these days.  You can ignore me or not, really do not care.  I have been ignored by much better people for much better reasons.

Yes, they are assigned a assault rifle the 1st week in basic at 17-18 years old(same age as Rittenhouse).  There is much more training that goes on a long time for those who stay in etc - but my comment is that at 17 YO is assigned a m16 during their first week, and after a few months at most of "training" if needed can be in a war zone with full auto rifles.

Yes I agree in the past you were not arrested for killing the enemy and in the past you were not arrested and tried for shooting someone who pulled a gun on you and another who was beating you in the head with a skateboard either - it used to be called self defense.  To be honest I am sure that 99% of people who if they were chased and beaten would not have had their wits about them enough to only shoot what he did and only hit their intended targets with a pretty low number of rounds all things considered.

Sadly these days you are arrested for defending yourself, your property as well as something as simple as disagreeing with the government/military brass. 

Biden is the dictator that we were warned Trump was going to be if he was given the change.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	This is for Hound
Date:	11/10/2021 2:26:37 PM

Additional information

Not sure if he had any firearm trainingthrough it - but apparently he was a youth police cadet in Illinois.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Tracking the Rittenhouse Trial
Date:	11/10/2021 3:03:22 PM

Listening to the prosecution cross Rittenhouse -  talking about racking the gun and attempting to talk about hollow point bullets exploding and not going through a target vs FMJs that are designed to go through the 1st target into others. It was sad that the judge had to stop him and explain expand / explode and basically just shut his line of questioning down and say screw it, time for lunch.

OMG - FMJs are designed to remain intact - period.  They are used in war to minimize the amount of parts and possibly sharp fragments that medics have to remove and to improve survivability of being shot.  Hollow points are banned under the 1899 Hague convention in war for this very reason.

HP expand/mushroom (not explode) causing a much larger wound cavity which in hunting is more humane since your target usually drops fairly quick vs your target runs off and bleeds out miles away on someone elses property.

I am sure that they are attempting to spin it with  since he used a FMJ that just goes through a person and just keeps going through bunches of people - he did not care in what bystander the bullet stopped to attempt to claim he was wreckless.

Chances are his buddy purchased FMJs for target practice because you can get them cheaper and usually in higher quantities then purchasing hunting rounds/HP.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	This is for Hound
Date:	11/10/2021 3:33:38 PM

Phil, having been retired for 16 years now, I don't consider myself much of a government insider anymore.  I'm sure a lot of things have changed.  But I did know the people associated with the whole Iraq dabacle, I often interfaced with people on the Hill, people at State and Commerce.  I had been involved wih the Ports controversy that Hilary Clinton, among other started.  I prepared testimony for other people to testify before Congressional Committees.  It didn't make me all knowing, but I understand basic procedures and how things get done.  If that offends you, I'm very sorry.  And I don't really care what you think.  

Name:	lucky67 -	Reply
Subject:	Tracking the Rittenhouse Trial
Date:	11/10/2021 3:35:40 PM

i have not followed this case at all, but just watched about an hour of prosecutor cross examine the guy--i have no idea whether he's guilty or not-but the Proscecutor  seems ready to execute the guy in the town square 

Name:	lucky67 -	Reply
Subject:	Tracking the Rittenhouse Trial
Date:	11/10/2021 3:35:41 PM

i have not followed this case at all, but just watched about an hour of prosecutor cross examine the guy--i have no idea whether he's guilty or not-but the Proscecutor  seems ready to execute the guy in the town square 

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Tracking the Rittenhouse Trial
Date:	11/10/2021 4:03:31 PM (updated 11/10/2021 4:05:49 PM)

If you can not use force when you are being beaten with something, or someone else pulls a gun on you - I am not sure where you would ever be able to claim self defense.

If he is justified is going to be up to the judge and the jury and not my call - my statement had to do with the fact the prosecutor is trying to make statements about things he is flat ignorant about and trying to make claims about things that are just not true.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	This is for Hound
Date:	11/10/2021 4:16:14 PM

Never said you knew it all, just more of a know it all in "my" opinion.

Not offended and dont need your "very sorry" and I agree I dont care about what you think either.  

My comment about government insider has to do with that you often spread your knowledge in posts about how it worked when you were there ( From what I see the faces may change, but I am pretty sure that things do not change that much in Washington.)  In my opinion some of your opinions mean less to me based on some of your statements and since we are basically strangers really it does not mean anything to me or I am sure you.

It is funny that while saying you are not much of an insider anymore, then you go on to name drop what you did and who it involved, and again never said you "knew it all" but you brought a differerent perspective to things at times, and now I care a litle less about what that perspective is.

Sorry for you getting your panties all bunched up.  ( see I can also say a half a$$ed, I am sorry - while also delivering a dont really care what you think too)

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Tracking the Rittenhouse Trial
Date:	11/10/2021 9:26:21 PM

I watched some of his testimony today too.  The prosceuter was fighting with the judge, like he didn't understand that the judge runs the trial, not the prosecutor.  It really ticked me off that the media, in recapping, accused Rittenhouse of crying crocodile tears on the stand.  I didn't get the impression that it was an act.  I think the prosecuor and the media would like to see him hung in the town square.  All those questions about why did you decide to do this versus that - does he think that in Kyles same shoes that he was making conscious decisions while he was separated from his group and people were coming after him?  

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Tracking the Rittenhouse Trial
Date:	11/15/2021 4:53:37 PM

Gun Safety lessons - 

1. When handed a gun always check if it is loaded or unloaded yourself. ( from watching the trial video this morning someone checked and handed it over and said it was clear  - just like Alec Baldwin who just shot 2 people on set ) 

2. Keep you finger off the damn trigger until you are going to pull the trigger. ( pictures speak for themselves )

3. Do not point it at anything you do not intend to hit. ( points it at people in the courtroom)

This person is an idiot, and like most liberals this is example 1 and 2 this person should never be allowed near a firearm.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Tracking the Rittenhouse Trial
Date:	11/15/2021 8:05:14 PM

Photo is sssssosooooo typical of stupid media and idiot lawyers.  It’s really hard to sight an AR without sights…gotta prop that stock butt up on your ear.  Says absolutely everything you need to know about the trial and participants….

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	Rittenhouse 1 Commies 0
Date:	11/17/2021 7:50:54 AM (updated 11/17/2021 9:05:29 AM)

Trial over.  Bring mad communists into the streets because the trial results didn't match their fake news.

Mistrial filed by defense with prejudice.  Liberal prosecution totally corrupt and incompetent.

Prosecution witheld evidence of a 3x better resolution drone file.

https://thelibertydaily.com/breaking-rittenhouse-defense-files-late-motion-for-mistrial-with-prejudice-no-retrial-if-granted/

https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/1460719166218981378

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Rittenhouse 1 Commies 0
Date:	11/17/2021 2:56:04 PM (updated 11/17/2021 4:26:36 PM)

It is even worse then that - they supplied the video to defense on the last day ( and only sent them a lower resolution file ) altering the evidence and possibly brady material. ) It is not like they got a higher resolution file and did not share it, they lowered it intentionally and cropped it before sending it over.

Then only got caught because they used the higher resolution either on the last day of the trial or closing arguments.

And today the prosecution claims that the file was airdropped to them from a tech and it was full resolution and then the prosecutor emailed it to himself and it was still fine, then the tech emailed the prosecutor the file, which that file was then emailed to the defense - and that one was compressed and lower resolution.  So ithe prosecution is claiming its the techs fault, not theirs.......

why did he not email what he had to start with instead of asking for a 2nd copy to be sent to him so he could forward it.

Maybe I missed soemthing when they were talking to the judge, but that sounds like some grade A BS there.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Tracking the Rittenhouse Trial
Date:	11/17/2021 2:57:27 PM (updated 11/17/2021 2:58:28 PM)

Wonder what happened to the red dot sight that was on top of it during the shooting......

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	Rittenhouse 1 Commies 0 Resolution 1/3
Date:	11/17/2021 5:45:08 PM

Prosecution: "I have no idea how to change videos"

also Prosecution: Has handbrake installed on laptop.

https://gellerreport.com/2021/11/handbrake.html/

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Rittenhouse 1 Commies 0 Resolution 1/3
Date:	11/18/2021 8:30:11 AM

Next excuse will be that they do not know what that is and that their kids/grandkids must have put it on there while they were playing minecraft.

Prosecution should be disbarred.

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	Rittenhouse 1 Commies 0 Resolution 1/3
Date:	11/18/2021 9:42:14 AM (updated 11/18/2021 9:43:05 AM)

compare da chilrens

which one believe dat DEY life matter?

https://www.wnd.com/2021/11/kyle-trayvon-17-unequal/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=wnd-newsletter&utm_campaign=dailyam&utm_content=newsletter&ats_es=8f0f31e51307de3cf7a69311bae87aa2

I think I just hit on the phrase to get da hood thinking.

Does your life matter?

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Rittenhouse 1 Commies 0 Resolution 1/3
Date:	11/18/2021 10:24:12 AM

Old saying goes - better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6.

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	Bus chaser
Date:	11/18/2021 3:23:34 PM

What's worse than an ambulance chaser?  Jury bus chaser.

https://www.infowars.com/posts/breaking-msnbc-banned-from-rittenhouse-trial-after-employee-allegedly-followed-jury-bus-developing/

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	Bus chaser
Date:	11/19/2021 11:00:10 AM

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1461514703977517066?cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email

Name:	Shortbus -	Reply
Subject:	GAME OVER NOT GUILTY
Date:	11/19/2021 1:17:59 PM

If the judge was a liberal

If conservatives had not taken the videos we saw

Lunchbox and the system would have eaten him alive.

Don't expect justice like this again.

YAHOO!!!

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	GAME OVER NOT GUILTY
Date:	11/19/2021 1:45:09 PM (updated 11/19/2021 1:52:11 PM)

as it should have been.

Anything else, and I would have to ask  - at what damn point would it become self defense?!?!???!!  Maybe he should have shot them *AFTER* they killed him with the skateboard/gun/jump kick criminal.

Come to find out the prosecution knew who jump kick criminal was the whole time - he demanded full immunity to all crimes ( including the DUI the week of the shooting ) to testify and they decided not to put him on the stand and instead of naming him in court called him"jump kick man". 

I imagine some politicians/people in the news media are checking their wallets because it is going to be lighter soon just like with Sandman.

Prosecutors should be disbarred.

If the governer is smart he will get the police and national guard out in force, anyone looting or burning should be arrested period.  Anyone assaulting officers or throwing the prestaged bricks should be gassed, flash banged, handcuffed and sent to the same type jails as the "capital insurrectionists".

Keep it peaceful.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	GAME OVER NOT GUILTY
Date:	11/19/2021 3:20:20 PM

I disagree.  Looters should be shot on site.  Wouldn't take many for the idiots to get the message.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	GAME OVER NOT GUILTY
Date:	11/19/2021 3:48:22 PM

Best sign I ever saw think it was either Katrina footage or possible a tornado ravaged area - 

Looters will be shot, survivors will be violated.