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The board seems a bit "testy" of late. Oh yeah, I forgot, it's income redistribution ----err---I'm sorry, ---tax season again. That explains all!
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Yes, sadly you are right Doc. Now, if on the other hand, we were under the Fair Tax system we wouldn't have this problem. I once again request all forum readers to research it yourself. It would be much better than what we have now.
And on another topic... I hope this walking, talking excrement that has killed the little girl in Florida is shived before we have to waste a penny of our tax money on a trial. But unfortunately i'm sure we are already spending extra money to protect him from his worthless butt. Turn him loose in general population and let nature take its course.
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JustAGuy
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2/7/2004 1:35:56 PM
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I heard a suggestion once that made a lot of sense to me.
Under our current system, when juries decide guilt or innocence the standard is "Beyond a reasonable doubt". What if we also gave juries the ability to find someone "Guilty Beyond All Doubt". There would be stiff guidelines, like DNA evidence, etc. and a judge would have to agree with the finding.
Then, if a person is found "Guilty Beyond All Doubt" they would have one and only one appeal -- to the U.S. Supreme Court (on an expedited docket). Otherwise, sentences would be carried out immediately.
If they really do have DNA evidence proving that this is the right guy, I think it would be a great deterrent if he went to trial in a couple of months, then had a couple more months for his appeal, and then before the year was out he was plugged into Old Sparky.
Just my opinion ...
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I have never heard of this, but I like the concept. Seems quite reasonable to me. We also need loser pays system in the civil courts. That would cut out almost all the frivolous law suits.
It seems that mandatory registration has nearly shut this forum down. Kinda strange since webmasters get paid by the number of hits to their site, or at least can sell ads based on that number. Maybe they are still coming and just not posting, but eventually folks will bore of coming to a forum that nobody posts on. Jsut my opinion, I could be wrong.
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You know, what's up with Florida? The Terry Schiavo issue, this brutal child murder and todays news that the University of Miami has successfully recruited a linebacker from Miami with TEN arrests including felony burglary!!. They said they didn't know....
Somewhat ironic that we have a criminal "justice" system with very little justice for victims. We all have a part in reminding our legislators that as long as the ACLU and their liberal ilk continue to press for criminal rights, these cretons will continue to walk among us.
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roswellric
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2/9/2004 8:16:51 AM
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The real problem is how the penal system is viewed. The real purpose of prisons is to remove the monsters from the regular law-abiding population. It is not to reabilitate or be used as a deterrent to crime. Now think about that.
Everytime we see one of these hideous crimes it's always the same story. Rap sheet a mile long and violent too. Just another example of letting someone on the street that should be removed from the population.
It is way past time we started singling out these parole boards, judges or whoever doesn't protect us form these animals and do some good old fashioned non-violent protesting. We should focus on the cause of the problem not the effect.
RR
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JustAGuy
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2/9/2004 11:40:53 AM
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Sorry, but I have to disagree with you there Doc. I'm not a member of the ACLU but I'm glad they are out there. I know ... I know ... I get upset with them at times too, but I still think they serve a necessary task.
In my opinion, it SHOULD be hard for us to do some of the things we want to do. I have no problem with having to pass amendments to the constitution in matters of life and death (abortion, euthanasia, death penalty, etc.)
The ACLU keeps us on our toes and makes us think. Sure they make us all mad at times, but freedom isn't supposed to be easy.
Just my opinion ...
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JustAGuy
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2/9/2004 11:53:05 AM
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Maybe I'm just in a "disagreeable" mood today, but I have to disagree.
For every Joseph Smith, there are a thousand other small-time criminals with lots of drug arrests and a minor violent crime arrest that NEVER commit this kind of crime. Likewise, there are other monsters out there committing child kidnapping/rape/murder who have never even had a parking ticket.
To me it seems there are just monsters among us -- some are felons and some look meek as lambs (some priests for instance).
I don't think we can afford to build and maintain enough prisons to warehouse all of the small-time criminals for decades and decades.
I think we should reserve long-term prisons for the worst of the worst. For others, we need to find alternative punishments like work farms (and not the kind we had back in the 40's), group homes, ankle bracelets with electronic monitoring, etc.
And I'll open myself up for some attacks with this suggestion -- I think we have lost the war on drugs and should negotiate a surrender. Decriminalize most drugs and take them out of the black market, but also give law-abiding citizens permits to carry a firearm.
Make drugs cheap enough that a crackhead can survive on a job emptying trash at McDonald's AND let him know that the elderly couple walking down the street just MIGHT blow his brains out if he tries to steal from them -- then we might find some middle ground we can all live with.
As always, it's just my opinion ...
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Frank N Stein
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2/9/2004 1:08:13 PM
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I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH AND AN EYE FOR AN EYE.
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Granted, checks and balances are invaluable in any free society, however, the question one has to ask before endorsing any group is this:
"Do they enable evil"? A case in point, the ACLU has provided free legal services to NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association), a group that openly encourages pedofilia, endorses sex between children and adults etc. Why would an activist group provide pro-bono services if they did not support such a group ideologically?
On the other hand, there have been a few instances where they (ACLU) have gotten it right. For the most part though, they are like a broken clock....Right twice a day and wrong the rest of the time. In the cases of criminal "rights", they have gotten it wrong!
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How is a violent crime arrest "minor". I believe he tried to kidnap a young female under the guise of protecting her from herself, in addition to striking someone in the head with a motorcycle helmet for some odd reason....Maybe we should start within the legal system by redefining what is significant to the population exposed to these monsters rather than let attorneys and legislatures tell us what we should tolerate as minor offenses.
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lakebum
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2/10/2004 6:17:22 AM
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I really like the 'blowing out his brains' part.....
and we all do have that opportunity...whether we take it or not...called self defense
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roswellric
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2/10/2004 11:39:35 AM
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Well I never said we should permanently remove non-violent people from the society - re-read the post.
Your logic is the type that worries me the most. You can't have law and punishment geared to fear of whether you might make a mistake in sentencing.
Yes there are a few people that do a violent crime out of nowhere. So what? But ask any cop and he will tell you that most violent criminals are repeat offenders and will continue on until locked away.
My problem with the justice system is that these thugs are repeatedly released to do it again.
Wait 'til you or your family is a victim, God forbid, and you will be happy to pay more taxes for prisons.
RR
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Burran
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2/10/2004 12:17:16 PM
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What the ACLU supports is Freedom of Speech. They are quite adamant in stating that while there are many groups whose ideals they don't support, they will fight for their (the groups) right to say what they believe. It's like one of the Founding Fathers said: "I vehemently disagree with what you say, and I will fight to the death for your right to say it."
So, if you believe in the United States, you believe in the Constitution; by believeing in the Constitution you believe in the First Ammendment; by believeing in the First Ammendment, you believe in the ACLU; and by believing in teh ACLU you believe everything that every group they support believes; therefore, you support NAMBLA.
Do I think you support NAMBLA? Of course not. But, according to the logic in your last post, you do. SO maybe now you can see how it is quite possible for a group like the ACLU to give their kind of support to a group they don't believe in. (And remember, "their kind of support" means nothing more than free legal representation; they don't hold rallies, encourage behavior, etc. All they do is help these groups exersize their constitutional right to say what they believe.)
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The ACLU has recently (shock) come to the aid of Rush Limbaugh to keep his medical records private. However, even the spokesman for the ACLU, during questioning, stated that it is rather unusual for the ACLU to offer assistance to a conservative. They flat out declared their bias for everyone to hear. As far as amendments are concerned, the ACLU will defend the first as long as it restricts your and my freedom to express religion, and it will never defend the second, our state and individual right to bear arms. If you believe in the constitution and free speech like you said the ACLU promotes, do you then get to pick and choose the amendments you're willing to defend and not defend. I say that is exactly what they do and why they are a dangerous organization.
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JustAGuy
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2/11/2004 11:24:39 AM
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"You can't have law and punishment geared to fear of whether you might make a mistake in sentencing."
Actually, that is what our legal system IS based on. I don't remember who said it, but "Better a hundred guilty men go free than one innocent man go to jail".
But don't get me wrong -- I'm not saying that I'm HAPPY with the current system. I am open to any suggestions to try and plug the gaps in our system. But I am NOT for the "put them in jail and throw away the key" solution.
Also, in my opinion, getting hit with a motorcycle is a MINOR violent offense whereas getting shot is a MAJOR violent offense.
Just my opinion .....
Yes there are a few people that do a violent crime out of nowhere. So what? But ask any cop and he will tell you that most violent criminals are repeat offenders and will continue on until locked away.
My problem with the justice system is that these thugs are repeatedly released to do it again.
Wait 'til you or your family is a victim, God forbid, and you will be happy to pay more taxes for prisons.
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