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JustAGuy
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6/15/2004 3:09:14 PM
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I've been out of town for nearly a week. Just read the entire "Chuck's" threads in a single sitting. Let me see if I can sum it all up:
(1) 3 hours of karaoke on Friday and Saturday nights and an occasional band during the day on Saturday makes you a "Honky Tonk".
(2) if you like going to karaoke, with or without your kids, grandkids, etc. -- you are a partyier, a honky tonker and a redneck.
(3) if you agree with stratman -- you are a good person, kind, considerate and you love the lake.
(4) if you disagree with stratman -- you are a moron, a PARTYIER, a red-neck and you don't properly love the lake
(5) if you live in Chuck's cove and you disagree with stratman -- (lakelady, etc) you are a liar
(6) stratman is 100% right, and anyone who disagrees with him is 100% wrong.
(7) there was a total of 47 posts in the Chuck's threads, and stratman made 25 of them (53%) -- but he is not obsessed.
(8) and finally, there was a very good definition of "irony" in the thread. It was pointed out to stratman that his behavior and volume of posts was imposing on other forum members who didn't want to listen to his rants. Stratman's response was "tough -- I have every right to do and say whatever I want on this forum and those of you who don't like it are out of luck. I will do whatever I want even if it imposes on your enjoyment".
Hello, Kettle? This is Pot. You're black.
Just my humble opinion ...
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mldsst
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6/15/2004 4:02:07 PM
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Thank God I am not to only one who thinks this way
I agree 100 %
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rustyhook
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6/15/2004 4:02:52 PM
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WE HAVE A WINNER !!!!!!!
i posted a tongue and cheek reply about the graffitti at the rock.
now i guess it has been added to the list of needed ordinances.
the first time i visted the rock was in 1969. there was graffitti there then and there will be graffitti there in the future. who cares.
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| Name: |
shirt
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Chuck's Thread
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6/15/2004 5:53:57 PM
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Thank You, You got it right
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stratman
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Chuck's Thread
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6/15/2004 7:08:24 PM
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Hi Just a Guy!!
Now you are getting a hint of what is imposed on us every...single...weekend....April thru October!!
And those 3 little hours that you try to make look so small are our PRIME TIME HOURS that we could spend on our back decks entertaining at our own homes...with the music of our choice, instead of having to listen to rednecks like yourself!! : )
And you are correct.....I will be pointing this out on this forum continuously to show the truth of what is going on in OUR NEIGHBORHOOD!
DID I MENTION....FREE OF CHARGE!!
Nice spin attempt.....but it doesn't fly.....
See you next time!!
Stratman.....
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stratman
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Chuck's Thread
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6/15/2004 7:10:51 PM
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No problem Rusty Hook.....
Just trying to help you out had you been sincere.
I'm taking care of business regardless...
Whatever....: )
Stratman.....
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JustAGuy
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Chuck's Thread
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6/16/2004 1:43:52 AM
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I have to admit stratman ... I laid a bit of a trap for you and you fell in it head first.
(1) Did I say that I am for karaoke and against you and your supporters? No -- I didn't. You just ASSUMED that I am for karaoke at Chucks.
(2) Did I say that I have ever been to karaoke at Chucks? No, and yet you still refer to me as "rednecks like yourself!) I was happy to see that you included a happy face, so maybe you were just joking with me .. I'll assume that is the case :) ! : ) In fact, I have never been to karaoke at Chucks, although members of my family are regulars.
(3) The fact of the matter is that I don't care one way or the other. I can see both sides to the argument and won't lose any sleep either way.
I just wanted to point out that .... perhaps ... you ARE taking this a bit too seriously and maybe you should consider taking a step back and checking to see if your anger has gotten the best of you. I mean, it sounds like the karaoke is ruining your Saturday nights, but it is your anger that is ruining the rest of the week.
Oh, and I loved the "Nice spin attempt" comment ..... you remind me a lot of Bill O'Reilly and his "No-Spin Zone" ... you, like Mr. O'Reilly seem to think that if anyone disagrees with you they are either lying or spinning. I would offer that perhaps there are numerous sides to most arguments and that nobody (including you) has the right to claim to be RIGHT.
Again, just my humble opinion ... I could be wrong .. :)
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lakelady
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6/16/2004 1:46:19 AM
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JustAGuy
That was a very good summary!
I'd like to add that OUR NEIGHBORHOOD thinks it is an asset to have Chuck's Marina in OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. The property values have more than doubled. I've researched it and property in OUR NEIGHBORHOOD sells quicker than any other area of the lake. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD convenants were never inforced until someone decided they didn't like karaoke. If they were inforced, there would be a lot of folks removing the tin off their roofs and filling in their basements. The marine police buy gas regularly at Chuck's and were there Saturday evening having dinner. So you better be careful when you are in OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD received fliers in our mailboxes (which is illegal since they were not stamped) encouraging OUR NEIGHBORHOOD to call the sheriff's office on Friday & Saturday nights to complain about Chuck's. Someone made sure that a deputy showed up on a regular basis, not just one road block. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD is a wonderful place to live and if you're lucky something might show up on the market for sale but you better act quick.
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Ok, don't start on Bill O'Reilly . He's my man.
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stratman
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Chuck's Thread
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6/16/2004 6:18:17 AM
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Hi Just a Guy!!
No Anger here....Every day is a great day here on the lake!!
I am going thru the channels of making a change regardless.
Like I said before...There's no anger here and I sleep well at night.
If you said you read all the posts....then you will agree that all of my posts were REPLIES..to other degrading posts that were put up. Starting with Sigmapi refering to us as bitter old people that have lost their youth and being accused of not liking other people to have fun, which is absolutely rediculous.
We have never had a problem with the marina on this slough until the FULLTIME KARAOKE kicked in.
It is a show of COMPLETE DISRESPECT to the rest of us that live here that have no way of escaping it other than selling out and moving.
Why should we do that? Would you? Most of us were here before the present marina owner even knew the place existed.
Concerning laying a trap. WHATEVER. If lying is an asset of yours....then have at it. It is not a trait of mine nor do I see it as beneficial or entertaining.
Thank you for your concern! : )
Stratman.....
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stratman
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6/16/2004 6:31:04 AM
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The property values on the lake will increase with or without any marina.
Anyone that thinks that Chuck's is the reason for our property values don't have a clue and it is an urban myth at best! But if that makes you feel better...have at it. : )
There are some new people that have moved in this area that haven't had the chance to experience this slough at it's best. They love the loud music every Friday and Saturday night and it seems to be the main reason they moved here.
But for the rest of us that HAVE lived here in this slough when it was really nice...are all to aware of the degredation this Juke Joint has caused.
Gone are the weekends that were your own in so far as being able to enjoy the lake only, replaced by screaming, hollering, beer drinkers,...attempting to sing UP AGAINST THE WALL REDNECK MOTHER and the like. Southern culture on the skids at best!! : )
How will you take it when noise ordinances finally make it here and the Sheriffs Department will have the law on it's side to finally put an end to this nonsense? We will discuss your sentiments at that time as well and we'll see how chipper you are!! : )
Til then....have your fun....it won't last forever anyway!! : )
Stratman.....
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lakelady
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6/16/2004 2:30:42 PM
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I assume your last post was intended for me. You are correct, property values will increase regardless of the marina. I stated the marina was an asset to the neighborhood. A lot of credit to increased values can be given to each new property owner that has come here and renovated, updated, etc. The marina is an asset to those who like the convenience of not having to go far for gas or to have to haul it. It's an asset to be able to have somewhere to eat close by and the entertainment. I WAS here pre-karaoke and still enjoy peace and quite time. You continually mention the same three songs that you obviously don't like. What about the elderly guy who sang a beautiful Frank Sinatra song? Or what about the very young boy who did a superb job singing "Sweet Home Alabama". If he continues he'll be a star someday! You've never mentioned hearing "God Bless the USA" or "Amazing Grace". Why not share these with the other readers? Noise ordinance is fine by me. I'll just have to be more careful when I take the radio out on the deck and you'll sure have to keep your 4000w system in storage. A noise ordinance will have to be obeyed by everyone, not just the marina. Nothing last forever, I learned that many many years ago. Just like these threads about Chuck's. I've said all I have to say on the subject and would really like to move on.
With that being said, please somebody find out where the eagles are. I'm an avid fan of those beautiful creatures and haven't seen the babies since they left the nest.
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JustAGuy
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6/16/2004 2:34:25 PM
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I actually agree with O'Reilly on many issues, but I still disagree with his idea that his show is a "No Spin Zone".
His show reflects his viewpoint, just like Meet the Press reflects Tim Russert's viewpoint, and the Today Show reflects Katie Couric's viewpoint, etc, etc.
I am always uneasy when someone touts themselves as speaking "The Truth", because I find that most issues have many separate "truths", depending on each persons background, experiences, etc.
I just think the world would be much better off if everyone would be a little more willing to consider the other guy. I mean, heck, do you think Al Queda would be blowing us up if they felt that our viewpoint was just as valid as there's?
But of course, that's just my opinion ... I could be wrong ... (yes, I'm a fan of Dennis Miller too) ...
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6/16/2004 2:37:09 PM
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Right on Lake lady. Enough is enough. After all it is my understanding that stratman no longer lives on Lake Martin, but now on Murphy Lake.
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JustAGuy
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6/16/2004 3:03:21 PM
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Hi Stratman,
I'll take you at your word that you aren't angry and that you sleep well at night. I certainly didn't get that impression from your posts, which seemed full of anger. I'm glad that you are happy. And I certainly don't blame you for trying to address the problem throught the proper channels.
I agree that most of your posts were replies. I disagree that most of the posts were degrading -- just because someone disagrees with you does not make them degrading. And as far as someone referring to you as as bitter old people, I don't see how that is any worse than you referring to people as redneck morons.
You also refer to "FULLTIME KARAOKE". I thought it was just 3 hours on Friday and Saturday nights? How is that full-time?
I agree that in a perfect world businesses would not impose on the public -- but it happens all the time. If Chuck's was doing something that all of the people in your cove disagreed with -- then I would agree that it was "a show of COMPLETE DISRESPECT"; but since many people in your community like what's happening at Chuck's then it seems more a matter of personal taste/choice.
I also don't see how someone suggesting that you relocate is such a disrespectul thing. If I live in a neighborhood and a WalMart is built across the street, I would consider moving -- not trying to get WalMart shut down. But then that's just me. Or maybe even a better example would be, if you lived in a slough with a bunch of folks who are just part-timers, and then they all sold to people who were full-timers, you would lose some of your peace and serenity -- and you might consider relocating. It's not like your entire lineage is buried on the property -- just find another piece of heaven on the lake (or don't -- I don't really care).
And how did you convert me laying a trap to "lying is an asset of yours"? All I did was refrain from stating in my original post whether or not I was for or against karaoke at Chuck's and whether or not I frequent Chuck's during karaoke. That's not lying -- but your attitude seems to be, "if you aren't with me -- then you're against me". My point is, regardless of whether you are right or wrong about karaoke, your APPROACH leaves something to be desired (in my humble opinion).
I don't really know why I'm in this discussion, except that I just hate to see people get so riled up that they can't see the forest for the trees.
But then, I doubt that anything I say (or post) is going to have much of an effect on you.
Take Care
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stratman
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6/16/2004 8:01:52 PM
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Hi Just a Guy!!
ONLY 3 hours on Friday and Saturday is misleading.....
First of all...the court case has stopped Karaoke on Fridays....Chuck's has chosen taking a LOOP HOLE and now has an acoustic guitar player on Fridays. If I hear Karaoke on Fridays again...I have the right to take them back to court....which I most definately will in that case! : )
Most of us work all week...don't you? When all you have off is Friday night and Saturday night to spend on your deck and enjoy it....why shouldn't we be able to?
As I explained before....Friday night and Saturday night is PRIME TIME on the lake...just ask greg....otherwise...why would HE be having karaoke on those nights...hmmm? : )
Move out? Why? Would you? I doubt it!! We were here before Greg Harris got here. Would he move out if I asked him? hahaha!! : ) That would be a joke.
A lake home is a substantial investment....and for you to think that a business can just come in and take over a neighborhood without a fight is rediculous. We're not through yet. There are many avenues yet to go...and we will take them all...rest assured!! : )
This isn't a WalMart......It's Porky's. : ) Big difference there!!
See ya' next time.....
Stratman.....: )
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stratman
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6/16/2004 8:14:35 PM
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Well let's see.....
Gas?....Stillwaters is just around the corner....no problem....
Food?...Again...Oskar's, Niffers, The Cove...the last 2 can be reached by water also. Stillwaters will have a restaurant soon on the water as well.
Patriotic Music......Already got it at my house.....Don't need to hear a bunch of Country Star wannabe's giving it their best shot....Sorry.
I can see it now.....New star...gets start a Chuck's Marina!! : ) Now that is truely hilarious.
My 4000watt PA sound system. I haven't had a LOUD party at my house in 5 or so years. Don't have a problem taking it elsewhere when we do party.
NOISE ORDINANCE WILL BE A WELCOME ADDITION AROUND HERE.
We have never complained about anyone having their own parties...NO MATTER HOW LOUD THEY GOT!! That is the truth. Ask anyone around here. So worrying about you little radio is uncalled for. No one will even know it's on. When people on this slough have had BIG parties, It's usually only 2 or 3 per entire year. We have no problem with that and never have. Plus....most parties never have 200 people at them either.
Now we have them every Friday and Saturday nights, at the same place, with 200+people. There's a big difference there!!
We all have our little Deck Style Bose speakers. That is not the problem around here and you know it.
Stratman.....
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stratman
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6/16/2004 8:24:09 PM
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Sorry Green Key.....
You are misinformed!!
That's my OTHER 2 neighbors that the karaoke ran off. They live on Murphy Lake. I still live here!! And I am not moving!! : )
One was a retired Air Force Colonel and his wife. Saved all his life to get here and retire. I guess it just wasn't to be. You guys Partying was far more important. He moved out. That's a great way to thank the military that takes care of all of us....isn't it?
The other Lady is also a super nice person, prior Air Force her self. Her husband died here while living on this slough a few years back. Again....Your right to Party outweighed her right to a quality life that we previously enjoyed here. She moved out also. Thank you again for running all of them off.
They ALL love this lake....but could no longer tolerate it due to all of your selfishness! : (
Your right to party has outweighed some really good people's right to quality of life that they created here. Now it's gone....and I'm sure you all couldn't care less....and probably think it's hilarious. I wouldn't expect anything less of you out there.
Congratulations!! PARTY ON GARTH!!
Stratman.....
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6/16/2004 11:08:34 PM
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OK, I stayed out of this till now, cuz I dont have a dog in this fight. But you have really stretched it now. Because one of your neighbors moved that was retired military you imply that nobody that goes to Chucks' has any respect or apreciation for the armed forces is absolutely off the mark. It shows that you really put WAY to much time and energy into trying to destroy Greg. The implication is that Greg ran him off this lake alltogether. ABSOLUTELY LUDICRIOUS!!! There are several hundred other homes on Lake Martin, for sale at any given time. If he moved to another lake, it was more than kareoke that he wanted to get away from, and for you to believe otherwise shows that you are not thinking rationally. Get some help, I think you need it.
My money is on the business, not the disgruntled homeowner. I am sure that kareoke generates tax dollars, and THAT is what will win in the end. Personally I hope that Greg is printing out every thread to use against you in any other court battles. They will show any judge how irrational you are.
Like I said, I read all of the other posts out of boredom, not really caring either way. But now I can't wait to go and see the kareoke and show support for Greg.
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lakelady
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6/17/2004 12:33:29 AM
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CEO that was nice!
One of my sons is currently serving in the Air Force so I got this information first hand- one of their favorite past- times on and off base is karaoke. Guess where he wanted to go while he was home on leave? Sure made this mom proud to see the folks at Chuck's shaking his hand and patting him on the back.
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greenkey
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6/17/2004 7:33:13 AM
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Stratman, maybe it is you and what you have become that ran your "so called" neighbors off. But as I can see you like to put words in people's mouth and turn everything into a negative that one might say. As far as the MILITARY I give them a heart felt thank you for their sacrifices. But, if you continue to call people rednecks, partiers, morons, and such you will have no one to call "friend". Lighten up and learn how to be tolerant of others. The lake is only so big and we all have only so long to live.
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stratman
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6/17/2004 8:21:00 AM
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Well.....We all the the almighty dollar and tax dollar is what life is all about ...right? : )
I've been knowing the guy personally for several years....I know exactly why he moved.....do you? Do you even know his name?
You read WAY TO MUCH in to my posts.
I simply said in my previous post that no one cared if anyone had a problem with the karaoke or not. That is quite evident by their actions....or should I say....lack of actions.
You probably didn't even know that either of those two neighbors that moved were ever in the military...or correct me if I'm wrong there as well.
Those aren't the only people that have moved from here either....those are the only two I've mentioned.
I never implied people at karaoke don't appreciate the military. They simply didn't know the two were military because of their lack of interest in the surrounding neighbors that live or lived here. I seriously doubt even if they DID know....it would have made a difference anyway...or correct me if I'm wrong...
Stratman.....
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6/17/2004 8:26:18 AM
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AHHH......Lake Lady,
That justifies karaoke all by itself then, seeing that your son is in the Air Force and one of his fondest memories is doing karaoke at Chuck's!!
What was I thinking? : )
I am prior Air Force.....Does that count? I didn't think so.
Stratman.....
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6/17/2004 8:37:01 AM
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Why should I be tolerant.....You guys aren't
You're sounding like a hypocrite there Green Key. : )
If I ran them off....why do we still visit each other and have meals at each other houses? We even take weekend trips together to concerts and the like.
Does that sound like I ran anyone off? : )
People on this slough funded this court case. The ones that funded it, most of them are still here and will still participate in the fight to stop the karaoke, whatever legal action that may take. Now THAT.....is the definition of a good neighbor.
The others that moved out.....simply cashed in on their properties because they were sick of what their neighborhood had become on the weekends and chose no longer to tolerate it. Something of which you all should be PROUD. YOU WON on those two. Pat yourselves on the back for sure!!
The rest of us, so far as I'm aware, are remaining here. You will still have us to contend with in the future.
The lake is far too nice to leave our homes because of the likes of you INTOLERANT people. : )
See you around............................Stratman.....
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Get help dewd....
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6/17/2004 9:30:22 AM
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.. you obviously need it.
From YOUR post....
"That justifies karaoke all by itself then, seeing that your son is in the Air Force and one of his fondest memories is doing karaoke at Chuck's!!
What was I thinking? : )
I am prior Air Force.....Does that count? I didn't think so."
So why should the retired colonel's service "count"? Does that make him more deserving than say a retired plumber? factory worker? salesman?
I don't think so. I appreciate all who do, or have served. I make it point to thank ANYONE that I see in public that wears the uniform. If I am in a watering hole, I buy them a round. But that service DOES NOT entitle them to any special peace and quite, here or anywhere else. Your implication is that because he is retired military the ENTIRE neighborhood should have deferred to what he wanted, peace and qiet in his retirement. Sorry, he is the one that bought a place right next to a marina. There is plenty of peace and quiet to be had on Lake Martin. I have mine, maybe you should try to find yours too.
Your arguments go in circles and in most cases you are arguing with yourself. You respond to more of your own posts than ANYBODY else.
Chuck's has kareoke on Saturday night, BY JUDICIAL ORDER! Live with it or move. And if it offends you to say that... well to quote Neal Boortz... 'isn't that special'
I am sure that if you get your noise ordinace all of your neighbors will really appreciate that they can no longer have guests and party on their property, because those that resent you for this will call the sherrifs office and have it shut down promptly. At least I hope that they do.
As the saying goes, careful what you wish for, you may just get it!!
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6/17/2004 9:49:19 AM
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Dewd.....
That was such a special message and I will cherish it always!!
My point was.....the guy worked all of his life, retired here, you guys decided to party all weekend April thru October, and now you expect us to move out....WRONG!! : )
We've had big parties here for ever....no one has ever had a problem with it and still do not have a problem with it. At any of our parties, non of us have ever had 200+ people at them either.
The marina from it's founding in the 1960's up until the last 4 or so years before fulltime karaoke got started, wasn't a problem either.
It now takes advantage of the entire neighborhood's residents, regarless of your viewpoint of what's going on.
If you, all of a sudden, wanted a quiet weekend...that would be impossible and you could do nothing...for the moment....to stop it.
We have never wanted to just sit around and listen to the crickets chirp as you would have people believe....that is nonsense!
We are simple sick of ONE place...constantly taking advantage of this area.
This isn't an industrial park, or a downtown area, or even a night club where these things would be of no consequence.
It is a neighborhood! Haven't you noticed that the only things around here are HOUSES....and the Marina? Makes sense...huh?
Would you put up with this where YOU live?
I doubt it.....that's why you like to come here where you don't have to deal with it.....but we do.
NOISE ORDINANCE: We will be more than happy when they are enacted and inforced!!
Having one doesn't mean you have to walk around on egg shells. It simply states what the parameters are....nothing more. The only thing it will do is get rid of the loud partying....no problem there what so ever!!
Have a nice day!! : )
Stratman.....
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LifeTime Laker
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6/17/2004 10:19:01 AM
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"My point was.....the guy worked all of his life, retired here, you guys decided to party all weekend April thru October, and now you expect us to move out....WRONG!! : )"
Once again you DEAD wrong. I have NEVER partied at Chucks. Only been there one time and that was last winter. I took a new neighbor on a road trip around the lake by car and showed him landmarks. We stopped at Chuck's out of idle curiosity. My one and only trip. i didn't even know they did kareoke till you started this rant. So don't include me in your redneck, partying, honky tonker references.
You may think that of me if you wish, just as I can consider you an angry, bitter, self-absorbed IDIOT!! The difference is that I have about 100 or so of YOUR posts to validate my view of you.
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TIVO
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My favorite post, and....
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6/17/2004 10:28:30 AM
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my view of this topic....
Move along folks, nothing to see here.
Updates might be nice with the legal battles, but the rest can stop.
Just my humble opinion.
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stratman
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Get help dewd....
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6/17/2004 10:28:46 AM
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I never said I knew you....or what you do..or where you go.....That's just your assumption. : )
If in your mind you've reached some validation...that's fine...I have no problem with that. We all are entitled to our opinions.
The rant that was started here on this slough is the Rant in the form of Fulltime karaoke that the marina is obsessed with having.
I'm simply going against it to protect the quality of life of where I live.
I think anyone would do the same in my shoes....
Have a great day!!: )
Stratman.....
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stratman
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My favorite post, and....
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6/17/2004 10:32:10 AM
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I hear ya' TIVO!! : )
I agree. And I will definitely post progress updates as they happen.
I do enjoy countering the pro-karaoke people though when they post.
It makes for good fun..: )
Have a good one!!
Stratman.....
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lakelady
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Chuck's Thread
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6/17/2004 10:46:49 AM
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Stratman, that post was totally uncalled for!
Do you even read our post before you start spewing? I made reference to how nice the people treated my son and that made me proud. If you were also in the Air Force like you said, I would think that you would have appreciated that. The media constantly showers us with negative images of our servicemen and women. It's always nice to hear or see people showing respect to them, no matter if it's at Chuck's, on the sidewalk downtown or anywhere.
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stratman
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Chuck's Thread
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6/17/2004 10:52:03 AM
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Lake Lady..
I said nothing bad about your son. I don't like most of the media out there either....that's why I watch Fox News!!
I'm glad your son is out there serving our country...especially in the Air Force, which is what I served in!!
I simply stated that having anyone there, to include your son or anyone in the military, hardly validates the disturbance here. That's all.
Don't take it personally....that's not the way I intend it in the first place.
I'm here stating my opinion just the same as the rest of you. We're just on different sides of the fence.
Have a great day! : )
Stratman.....
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LukeSkywalker
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Stating your opinion???
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6/17/2004 11:05:38 AM
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More accurately, you're bludgeoning us with it.
Get a hobby. You have far too much free time.
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Chuck's Thread
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6/17/2004 11:14:44 AM
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Stratman ,the good neighbors were the ones in court supporting our good neighbor Greg. I did not see many there supporting or "funding" your side. As far as FULLTIME Karaoke, we all fail to see what you consider fulltime. 3 hours on Saturday night is not fulltime. Your constant whinning, threats, name calling and annoyance is FULLTIME. However, you are right on one account. You will see us around, more than you know. We will continue to legally enjoy Karaoke at Chuck's on Saturday night just as the JUDGE ordered. ---You will see me around---
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searay
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Chuck's Thread/Fund Raiser
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6/17/2004 12:46:08 PM
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Please meet at Chuck's this Saturday evening. We will be accepting donations to send stratman to a SHRINK!!!
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I'm yet another to agree with you, but Stratman does not get it and he won't get it.
For the past several weeks he has been spewing trash and I'm sure he will continue to do so......... no matter how many people bombard him with reason.
Write him off as a mental case.
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stratman
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Chuck's Thread
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6/17/2004 9:55:51 PM
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You won't see me....but I will working behind the scene to make sure karaoke will not be conducted in the not to distant future! : )
You won't see the financial contributors of the court case either. Their money came in very handy!! We honor their privacy and they are sincerely appreciated!
I will always be here to counter anyone that thinks the disturbance at the Marina is a good thing.
Many people read this forum...even those that never post...it's good to keep the word of truth out in the open...instead of just the Honkytonkers!!
: ) : ) Stratman.....: )
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stratman
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Chuck's Thread/Fund Raiser
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6/17/2004 9:56:44 PM
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: ) : ) Whatever!!
Stratman.....
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stratman
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Chuck's Thread
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6/17/2004 9:59:40 PM
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Reason?!! : ) You guys wouldn't know the meaning of the word if it bit you in the behind!!
You think Screwing up our home life in our slough every weekend from April til October is reason? hahahahaha!!
Save that money for a shrink for you guys......You'll need it!! : )
Stratman.....
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RagPicker
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Statman's kereoke beef
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6/23/2004 4:27:31 PM
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I spend a lot of time on Lake Martin. There are things I do not like about the way some people behave on the lake. My beef has mostly to do with safety issues where my neck is exposed by the ignorance and/or selfishness of others. But unlike one or two living over near Chucks I am not near arrogant enough to insist people do things my way.
I am assuming of course the law suit against Gregg was based on such arrogance and not simply opportunistic greed which is always a possibility. While I am no big fan of kereoke, I absolutely despise the promiscuous use of the courts to win a quick buck off a hard working individual. There are few forms of life lower than a man who would do that.... and such persons are usually found living - shall we say - where the change of seasons is more pronounced than it is down here.
But I digress Stuntman..... It's rumored only two plaintiffs remained in this lawsuit at its end, and only one of those remains a resident of the immediate area. That and based on the virtual lack of public support for the suit I'd say those who share your bruised sensitivities over Gregg's kereoke are few and far between.
Watch your wake.
Regards
RagPicker
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stratman
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Statman's kereoke beef
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6/23/2004 9:43:53 PM
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You'd be wrong Ragpicker!!
This wasn't about money, it was about a RETURN to our original quality of life that all of us on this slough shared up until full time Karaoke started up.
As I stated before, MANY attempts were made to alleviate the problem before we retained a lawyer.
Also....Only 2 of us were on the lawsuit at the advise of our lawyers, although over 20 households from both sides of the slough funded the case. They chose to be silent contributors and we respect their wishes.
Nothing bruised here. We got Fridays...Chuck's got Saturdays...although he is abusing the judgement by using a loop hole.
One less day of karaoke.....and a noise ordinance in the future. I'd say things aren't going to badly at all!! : )
Have a great day..........NosePicker...........Stratman......: )
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Stuntman's kereoke beef
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6/28/2004 4:03:05 PM
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No Stuntman, I reckon I'm pretty much on the money here. Its been my experience that people who sue over things as frivilous as this are either frustrated that nobody gives their personal opinions the weight they feel they deserve, or are after a fast buck. Since you insist it wasn't about the money, I would place my bets on frustrated arrogance. I am willing to hazard a guess you have probably sued other people in the past when you didn't get your way. The word "petty" comes to mind, but I won't explore that.
As far as your noble effort to restore the quality of life in the slough to its pristine pre-kereoke state, get real. "Chuck's" is a public marina. Anyone who can differentiate between a jib and a gas pump knows with a marina comes traffic, noise and general confusion. A few hours of kereoke is a virtual nonevent against that backdrop.
So what were you thinking when you bought a place down the cove from Chuck's? Did you really assume once you got moved in you could set the man's business hours and dictate what specific services he offered?
You remind me of the guy who buys a house next to a busy airport and then complains when he hears a plane landing.
So what's next Stuntman? Are you gonna sue all your neighbors who have purchased noisy jet skis since you moved in? What about your neighbor who put the red roof on his house? That OK with y'all or is it not in keeping with your personal perception of the way a lake house should look? And please tell me its still OK for plump gals to wear their thongs in your slough without violating your perception of what a proper lake view includes! More importantly, as I pass by your dock am I free to laugh out loud at y'all without fear of legal action?
Regards,
RagPicker
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stratman
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Stuntman's kereoke beef
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6/29/2004 11:40:38 AM
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Hi NosePicker!! : )
There was no karaoke when we moved in. The present marina owner wasn't even here then. Russell Lands owned it and it wasn't a problem.
The new owner wasn't a problem either until karaoke was started, Fri & Sat....April -Oct...about 4 years back.
It was only then that the problem started.
Concerning jetskis.....I owned one for several years.....don't have a problem with them..
Concerning your laughter.....What's wrong with that?
We laugh at you guys every weekend!! : )
I've got 3+ years of pure Moronic nonsense on video that even YOU would laugh at. : )
So....think what you like....I know far better about this case than you. I was there from the beginning......: )
Stratman.......: )
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Stuntman's Assumptions
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6/29/2004 1:11:56 PM
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There may not have been two nights of kereoke each week in the summer season three years ago, but even you have to admit the folly of buying a place on a lake near a public marina. Even without kereoke a public marina by its very nature has to be the busiest, loudest place on any lake. So I am sure the slough was not the pristine wilderness you choose to remember it being before Gregg came along. The only loons on the water back then would have been anyone who expected a marina to be a quiet, unassuming neighbor. Or the ones who figured they had the right to set the man's hours and dictate what services he offered.
There is another key point you seem to be missing here. You assume the folks who support Gregg are limited to people who participate in his kereoke. Like most of your neighbors who choose not to participate in the random frivilous lawsuit, I am not a kereoke regular either. So if you get your jollies laughing at videos of people singing off key on a warm summer night, you aren't laughing at me. I'm the one standing down on his dock Saturday night shaking his head at you in disgust.
Finally, you assume I have not been around the lake as long as you and do not know as much about the suit as you do. Perhaps so, but perhaps not. Regardless you do seem to make a lot of assumptions.
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stratman
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Stuntman's Assumptions
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6/30/2004 12:48:09 AM
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NosePicker.....
You are the assumption King...
I never set out to set anyone's hours...Nor did we ever have a pristine slough. I was refering to the lake as a whole.
Also....it's not just the off-key singing that is hilarious...it far more than that.
This past Saturday....it was a cruiser with a strong stereo riding out of the slough with Rap music BLASTING...M.......F......-M........F.........non stop.
If you call that mature.....then.....whatever.
It's a combination of the dumba$$ hick songs and all the sing alongs with everyone singing LET'S GET DRUNK AND SCREW songs.
Can't help but laugh at that. Especially when everyone talks about how they bring their grandkids to that and that they can't hear it more than 100 feet away.....blah...blah....blah.....That is what makes us laugh..
The marina before the karaoke started.....was not loud. It was a.....MARINA. That's all. Nothing more....nothing less.
So your spin doesn't work here.....Go back and watch your CNN...and Michael Moore movies.......It's more YOU............: )
Stratman......: )
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RagPicker
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Stuntman's Assumptions
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6/30/2004 9:52:36 AM
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I assume nothing. I am an objective observer. And what I have observed - people trying to force their personal preferences on others - disgusts me.
The music coming off boats on the lake is a little louder and clearer now than it was in past years. That's simply because the audio technology is better and cheaper than it was. Kids have always played loud music haven't they? And us older guys have always hated what kids listened to just as our fathers despised us listening to Elvis. I too would prefer Tony Bennett blaring from a ski boat, but it ain't gonna happen.
The rub here is that some folks get exercised and peevish because they can't control other people.
Before I go, I noticed your reference to the "hick" songs that are sung down at Chuck's. Lord man! You are in Alabama where us "hicks" like that kind of music. If you detest it so, then I'll refer you to the line from my favorite "hick" band... "Southern man don't need you around anyhow.." Perhaps you'd be happier back up yonder or in some retirement village in Florida. The lake life seems to have you frazzled to distraction.
Well, let me git back to my New York Times.... I do love to read the obituaries.
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stratman
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Stuntman's Assumptions
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6/30/2004 11:30:28 AM
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It ain't the loud music that bothers me.......It's the never ending WEEKEND loud music in our neighborhood that is the problem.
It wasn't the loud music coming from the boat that was the problem either, it was the LACK of lyricks coming from the RAP the guy was playing.....MF.....MF......MF.....MF......etc........as the boat crept out of the slough.
It's typical around here. We have put up with it for the last 4 years.
No one is trying to control anyone.....we just want what used to be our regular everyday neighborhood back.
Now how do you see that as a problem? Or do you live in this slough?
I kid with you with the Nose Picker and all just like you do me with the Stuntman...It's cool....I'm laughing.
But you don't even know me. We never even had a beer together. You can't understand a circumstance unless you know both sides of the story.
I've been on both sides.
Used to be at the marina EVERY WEEKEND. Till the karaoke got to be non-stop. Even when it was just once a month....we'd be up there singing an ocassional tune with everyone else.
But when one place takes advantage of an entire neighborhood, it's no longer cool.
This isn't Branson Missouri you know, or a Nashville outdoor park. It's a neighborhood with a marina in it, that is trying to become an outdoor party area.
Surely you can see the difference......................Stratman.....
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RagPicker
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Stuntman's Assumptions
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6/30/2004 5:53:41 PM
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I do live on the slough. I have experienced the "noise" coming from Chuck's during the limited hours he plays kereoke. We hear it plainly from outside our place. (I have heard private parties nearby that were louder and laster far into the morning hours) I know all about your suit against Gregg too.
And I am aware of the heightened water traffic after the bar there shuts down at 11:00 PM. I hear the voices and laughter over the water. Once in a while you can detect the slur induced by one too many lite beers. I hear the loud music from some of the boats. Some of the lyrics are pretty nasty. But unlike you I write it all off as background noise... people having a good tme. They pass by, the sound fades, and its over. No harm. No foul.
Sure there are two sides. I admit I often get angry when I hear Rap played through a loud base whether it is coming from a tricked out Honda Civic at an intersection or oversized speakers on "daddy's ski-boat". Its sends a sort of "screw you" message which is really the general idea behind Rap. That really pisses me off, but that's their right. I sure don't have the right to make them stop simply because I don't like it.
This slough isn't our private domain where either of us can dictate what is proper and what isn't regardless of where we own property. Its a public lake. When you start pretending the right to dictate what people can and cannot do based on your own feelings, you cross the line. Your assuming that privilage is far more noxious that the worst Rap lyrics or the worst kereoke rendition of "Strawberry Wine".
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stratman
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Stuntman's Assumptions
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6/30/2004 7:55:09 PM
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Well....where do our rights come into play?
Or do rights only apply to the people that want to go at it wide open...regardless of the content?
The deal is.....it used to be a lake neighborhood....then it changed....and changed....and changed....and changed.....and there will come a time, I guarantee you, where even you will have had enough.
You think that everything is OK now....and that it won't get any worse? You haven't seen nothing yet! : )
I have yet to see the present marina owner be satified with the size and loudness of the marina.
It will get bigger.....and bigger....and louder.....and louder.....if we're not able to put some parameters on it.
Your standards must not be that high. Good God.....you call this area on the weekend a quality standard of lake life? WOW.....that....is scary......
It'll get worse before it gets better.....just watch..........Stratman.....
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RagPicker
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Stuntman's Assumptions
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7/1/2004 6:00:04 PM
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Rights? Lets review:
You call for curtailment of people's rights to listen to certain music on the water. This same Rap music is broadcasted every waking hour over the public airwaves and is available to any citizen who can peep over the counter on tip-toes with a $20 bill. Its not very good music, but its not porn.
You rant about standards, but you fail to mention what you really want us to adopt are "your standards".
You demand parameters without letting slip what you are really after is the universal adoption of "your parameters".
And you sue a man who is acting within the law to earn an honest living on a public lake at a commercial site that was there before you moved in. Why? Because you don't like what he is selling and to whom. And you couldn't stop him by any other means. Well, you didn't stop him did you?
That said, you put words in my mouth when you say I believe the area represents "quality standard of lake life". Its far from perfect. And I do not disagree that things will get worse on this lake. I have seen it happen elsewhere. I don't want to see it happen here either.
But hey, if we are going to act, let's adopt my parameters. Let me set the standards. Appoint me guarian of the gate. I'll decide what music shall and shall not be played and by whom. And I tell you what. You won't like it. Because my ideas of what's proper on the lake are much more Draconian than yours.... Y'all are saved from the likes of me simply because I realize I don't have a right to impose my views on you.
And that's the difference between us.
Regards,
RagPicker
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RagPicker
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Stuntman's Assumptions
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7/1/2004 6:00:09 PM
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Rights? Lets review:
You call for curtailment of people's rights to listen to certain music on the water. This same Rap music is broadcasted every waking hour over the public airwaves and is available to any citizen who can peep over the counter on tip-toes with a $20 bill. Its not very good music, but its not porn.
You rant about standards, but you fail to mention what you really want us to adopt are "your standards".
You demand parameters without letting slip what you are really after is the universal adoption of "your parameters".
And you sue a man who is acting within the law to earn an honest living on a public lake at a commercial site that was there before you moved in. Why? Because you don't like what he is selling and to whom. And you couldn't stop him by any other means. Well, you didn't stop him did you?
That said, you put words in my mouth when you say I believe the area represents "quality standard of lake life". Its far from perfect. And I do not disagree that things will get worse on this lake. I have seen it happen elsewhere. I don't want to see it happen here either.
But hey, if we are going to act, let's adopt my parameters. Let me set the standards. Appoint me guarian of the gate. I'll decide what music shall and shall not be played and by whom. And I tell you what. You won't like it. Because my ideas of what's proper on the lake are much more Draconian than yours.... Y'all are saved from the likes of me simply because I realize I don't have a right to impose my views on you.
And that's the difference between us.
Regards,
RagPicker
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stratman
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RagPicker's Rant : )
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7/1/2004 9:26:29 PM
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What a tirade!!
Hilarious at best. : )
Hey...standards can be set without them being anyone's standards.
I could careless about putting MY standards on anyone. And for the record....it ain't over yet!! : )
The right to have a normal neighborhood is absolutely not out of line.
LIke I said before.....It was normal when we got here....and I didn't make the rules then either.
The present Marina owner is attempting to make the rules....THAT.....IS THE DIFFERENCE! : )
One day of karaoke is gone.....one to go! : ) And only 2 days with bands...that's it.
So rant all you want RagPicker...it doesn't mean crap!! : )
We're not going to take the Parameters that are being attempted to be put on us!!
Like it...or not!! : )
Have a nice day!!...............................Stratman.....: )
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RagPicker's Rant : )
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7/12/2004 3:41:54 PM
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My pointing out that your efforts to impose you personal standards on Chucks and the rest of your neighbors is not a rant. My commenting that you have no right to set what is acceptible behavior on this lake and what isn't is not a rant. These are sober observations made by one of your neighbors for whom you arrogntly pretended to speak.
If you want to see a rant I suggest you go to the "search" option on this forum and enter your own name.
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