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4thelake
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Question for H20 Police
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8/17/2004 9:48:32 AM
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With all the crazy things going on I would like some clarification on a few matters.
I am a Georgia resident that spends less than 45 days a year in the beautiful state of Alabama. My boat is registered in Alabama as well as my 15 year old boys boat because we own a home on the lake, and the boats are kept there......Do I need a boat license?????? Do my 15 year old boys need a boating license??? I am under the assumption that the answer is NO but I sure would like to hear it from the fellers who write the tickets instead of my interpretations of the laws.
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SBsigmapi
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Question for H20 Police
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8/17/2004 12:37:52 PM
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I dont know the legal answer as I am not the marine patrol. However, the answer SHOULD be Yes you need a license and Yes the boys do too. The problem out on the lake now is that there are too many people that dont know what they are doing. I am sure that you arent one of them and your sons may not be either, but everyone should have proof that they know enough to pass a boating test before they are allowed to boat.
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4Golf
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Question for H20 Police
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8/17/2004 1:02:50 PM
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....put this in the "for what it's worth" category, but I agree fully with SB.
From his mention of "spending less than 45 days in AL," I suspect that 4thelake has read chapter 4 of the official rules (www.boat-ed.com/al/index.htm) pertaining to "Boater Safety Cert Requirements for Residents of Other States." My NON-LEGAL opinion is that you & sons are not required to have boating license if you truly spend fewer than 45 days in AL waters. However, I would question if your registering the boat in AL changes your "resident status" any regarding licensing.
......maybe the keepers-o-the-ticket pad can enlighten us
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Z71girl
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Question for H20 Police
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8/17/2004 3:36:00 PM
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Officer Mitchell says you do not need one.
3. DISTRICT III HEADQUARTERS
126 MARINA ROAD
ALEXANDER CITY ,ALABAMA 35010
PHONE---1-800-432-7389
FAX --------- (256) 329-1633
E-MAILmarpol3@dcnr.state.al.us
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| Name: |
4Golf
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Question for H20 Police
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8/17/2004 4:30:52 PM
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Does anyone else find this disturbing? 45 days at the lake is roughly 22 weekends... with no Alabama issued boating license. This is certainly NOT a slam at 4 the lake--- more of a question for whoever made the exception to the rule that said that out of state boaters don't need a vessel license if they're on the water for less than 45 days in a calender year. Also, how do you go about proving 45 days... just a thought. With more and more folks on the water, especially from GA., this is a loophole that should be closed.
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Z71girl
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Question for H20 Police
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8/17/2004 4:37:18 PM
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You should have to get one in your home state. That would be fair.
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Feb
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Question for H20 Police
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8/17/2004 5:17:29 PM
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I kind of agree with you bug, but an Alabama vehicle driver can operate their vehicle in a lot of states for a lot longer that 45 days without a safety inspection or an emissions inspection. I could be wrong about this, but I believe there are a lot of states that do not require a license to operate a small boat. I know that NJ, VA & KS do nor or did not while I was there. A couple of years ago I was informed by AL DMV and by several members of this forum that if I operated a boat registered in Alabama that I was required to have an AL operator's license. With some expense and a lot of aggravation I obtained one only to find out later that it was not required. Also, if you check it out you will find that someone can legally operate an out of state registered boat for 45 days in Alabama. I posted several months ago that I had no idea how either law could be enforced.
I guess not everything in life seems fair to all of us.
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4thelake
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Question for H20 Police
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8/17/2004 5:18:36 PM
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I dont disagree with any of you. In fact all of us are going to take the test before next boating season. My question was more from a legal standpoint. I had never thought about the 22 weekends,,,thats a lot. The proof of the days is another matter. I also,,, believe it or not,,,agree that I should be required to have it. My only other comment is that even with a license, stupidity is still legal in every state I know of. The smartest people I know can barley screw in a light bulb. Scary when you look at the size and price of boats being driven around the lake this summer.
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4Golf
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Question for H20 Police
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8/17/2004 6:24:45 PM
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Hey 4 the lake... thanks for being one of the good guys... and raising a couple more.
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TIVO
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ditto
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8/17/2004 6:34:23 PM
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Ulysses E. McGill
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Question for H20 Police
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8/17/2004 7:49:51 PM
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My understanding is that Alabama will honor your home state rules. I can't find my copy of the Alabama regulation, but this what I remember reading.
Here are the GA regulations:
Who Can Operate a Boat
Those less than 12 years of age:
• May not legally operate a Class 1, 2, or 3 boat or a Class A boat powered by a motor of more than 30 horsepower
• May legally operate a Class A boat which is either non-motorized or powered by a motor of 30 horsepower or less only if they are accompanied by a competent adult
Those 12 or 13 years of age:
• May legally operate a non-motorized Class A boat without restrictions
• May legally operate a Class A boat powered by a motor of 30 horsepower or less only if they:
- Have passed a boating safety course approved by the Department of Natural Resources
- Are accompanied by a competent adult
- Are under direct supervision of a competent adult
• May not legally operate a Class 1, 2, or 3 boat or a Class A boat powered by a motor of more than 30 horsepower
Those 14 or 15 years of age:
• May legally operate a non-motorized Class A boat without restrictions
• May legally operate any other boat only if they:
- Have passed a boating safety course approved by the Department of Natural Resources
- Are accompanied by a competent adult
- Are under direct supervision of a competent adult
Those 16 years of age or older:
• May operate any boat on the waters of Georgia if they have proper identification onboard
"Competent Adult" means a person of age 18 or older who is not under the influence of alcohol or drugs and who is carrying proper identification.
"Direct Supervision" means within sight of and within 400 yards of a person who is aware of his or her supervisory responsibility.
"Proper Identification" means a drivers license (or legible copy) or any other government issued identification that contains a description of the person, a photograph and birthdate.
Who Can Operate A PWC
Those less than 12 years of age:
• May not legally operate a PWC
Those 12 to 15 years of age:
• May legally operate a PWC only if they:
- Have passed a boating safety course approved by the Department of Natural Resources
- Are accompanied by a competent adult
- Are under direct supervision of a competent adult
Those 16 years of age or older:
• May operate any boat on the waters of Georgia if they have proper identification onboard
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Here is the Alabama regulation for out of state boaters:
Boater Safety Certification Requirements for Residents of Other States
If you are 12 years of age or older, but less than 14, and:
If you did not obtain certification by January 1, 2002: You may operate a vessel on Alabama waters only if a person 21 years old with a valid Alabama Boater Safety Certification is onboard and in position to take immediate physical control of the vessel. (Note: If the supervising person is also a non-resident, he or she is not required to have an Alabama Boater Safety Certification.) After you turn 14 years old, you may legally operate a vessel without supervision if you have a valid boater safety certification (either Alabama non-resident certification or certification from your home state) or if you operate less than 45 days per calendar year.
If you obtained certification by January 1, 2002: You may legally operate a vessel on Alabama waters without supervision with your valid boater safety certification (either Alabama non- resident certification or certification from your home state).
If you are 14 years of age or older: You may legally operate a motorized vessel on Alabama waters for up to 45 days per calendar year without supervision. After 45 days you must obtain a valid boater safety certification (either Alabama non-resident certification or certification from your home state).
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lakegirl
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Question for H20 Police
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8/18/2004 10:53:32 AM
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A better question would be who decided the cutoff off age that didn't require you to take the boaters test, that all you needed was to have the V on your license. Age has nothing to do with knowing 'the rules of the water'.
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roswellric
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Interstate Commerce
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8/18/2004 11:01:25 AM
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Seems weird but it's not. Think about having to have a driver's license for every state that you drive your car in. That would amount to a restraint of free trade. It' s a constitutional thing......
Regardless though even if you have an "out-of-state license" you still have to colply with AL law regarding the operation of your boat.
RR
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4thelake
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Question for H20 Police
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8/18/2004 1:03:11 PM
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Thanks for all the info. Two sided debate over the right and wrong of the rules is a good thing. If we think it needs to go one step further everyone should write to their state office that handles these matters. I think it may be time still before its too late.
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lakebum
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What a thread.....
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8/19/2004 5:43:29 AM
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as was said 'stupid is as stupid does' no wonder we ahve such problems..no one really knows...and it is all in the rules and regs to be studied for the vessel license...which doesnt mean you have to have an AL drivers license...just the vessel license or V endoresement if you do have a AL licnse...Florida and Georgia dont require boat licenses...which is scary...but the gulf is alot bigger that Lkae Martin...but Martin is bigger than Lanier...so go figgger..
Glad I'm leaving...and I'm sure a few other folks are too..LB
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oneshot
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What a thread.....
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8/19/2004 6:53:46 PM
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Hey LB, where you moving to? Who am I going to find anybody to talk guns and shooting with?????
Hope you will still be on the forum.
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Z71girl
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What a thread.....
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8/20/2004 9:14:32 AM
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I can talk guns, fishing and shooting, my husband is a gun fixin and buyin nut! I have to be interested. He will also be glad to discuss, fix, find any kind of gun.
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oneshot
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What a thread.....
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8/20/2004 12:14:02 PM
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Great, good to hear. I'll keep you in mind. Where does your husband do buisness?
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Z71girl
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What a thread.....
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Date:
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8/20/2004 2:35:51 PM
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from our residence
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