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SBsigmapi
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3/24/2005 11:26:36 AM
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Now that I know that most of you despise the sport of basketball, can I get any thoughts or predictions on the upcoming Major League Baseball season? I personally think that the Braves will make it #14 and more importantly--get the rings this time. I think that John Smoltz and Mike Hampton are going to have stellar years, Tim Hudson will have a decent year (16 or 17 wins) and Andruw Jones is going to have an MVP caliber year (40 HR 130 RBI). I am sure some of these may sound ridiculous to some of you, but thats what makes them predictions. What are your thoughts?
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lamont
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3/24/2005 12:14:17 PM
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This Braves prognostication thing is a problem for me. For the last 3 or 4 seasons I have been 1 of those that thought there was no way they would continue to compete as they continued to cut payroll. However, this year, I am full of optimism for some reason. This feeling will most assuredly put an end to their streak. Although I have a great respect for what they have accomplished, I just can't get to excited about any pro sports anymore. I consider myself to be the epitome of the "bandwagon fan" when it comes to the pros. If Atlanta teams are doing well, I will follow them. Otherwise, who cares? They will never again compete for my entertainment dollar. It's a shame really, I grew up a huge pro sports fan but, what the he!!, more time for lake activities.
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SBsigmapi
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3/24/2005 12:44:04 PM
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LOL there are alot you out there. I remember when I was 5 years old, we would go go Fulton County Stadium on game day and buy dugout level seats. That was back when the braves were winning 50 games a season. I was a huge fan then even though they sucked. I wore the #3 every year that I played sports (baseball and football) in honor of Dale Murphy. I am one of the fans that has truly gotten to enjoy this streak because I was one of the fans that was rooting for them when they had the opposite streak going. I have watched the number of Braves "fans" increase 10 fold over the past 13 years. I'll admit, its nice to see the attendence numbers be so good, but I sure do miss the days where everyone at the ballpark was a DIEHARD fan--back when you could stand and holler through the entire game without having someone complain about you blocking their view. In fact, in those days, you had better be standing or someone is going to yell at you "Maybe if you would get of your rump and yell a little bit we might could get out of last place". I guess i love Braves baseball enough to call everyone of the years gone by "the good ole' days"--winning or losing.
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lamont
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3/24/2005 1:10:42 PM
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I to was a huge supporter during those bad years. That's why it is sad that all the greed and big bucks have turned me sour on pro baseball. I know most of you won't believe this but, me and 2 friends made the journey from Auburn, when we were freshman and saw Hank hit the big one. They handed out certificates saying you were there as we left the stadium. But several strikes, bazillions of $ and millions of steroids later, I have simply lost interest.
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JIM
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3/24/2005 1:36:29 PM
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The Braves will indeed win their Division, but Bobby Cox can not manage them to the next level, Cox needs to go. To win their Divison 13 times and win the big show 1 time ,it is very obvious what the problem is.
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lamont
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3/24/2005 1:53:09 PM
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SBsigmapi
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3/24/2005 2:17:40 PM
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You are so wrong that you should be embarrASSed. How can you, in one post, mention 13 straight division titles and say Cox has to go? We arent talking about a small accomplishment. In almost every one of the 13 years one of the other teams in the east (and west, when they were in the 2 division setup) has gone on a huge off-season spending spree with the purpose of dethroning the Braves. While, in the mean time, the Braves are constantly cutting payroll and living off their farm system. Cox is a great manager. I would NEVER trade places with the Marlins. . . .two winning seasons and two titles in 10 or 12 or however many years just isnt much fun. No teams have been in the hunt every year for so long. . .good coaching is one of the reasons. I guess we could go pick up another manager and then we could just not make it to the playoffs at all and then we wouldnt be disappointed by not winning it all.
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roswellric
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3/24/2005 2:18:51 PM
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In my opinion Cox certainly used to be a poor offensive manager - I saw his lack of aggressiveness in tight games blow 1 maybe 2 world series. Seems like a very good personnel manager though. Dang sure has the best pitching coaching.
He is improving though and at least going by the percentages in most situations. In recent years I have almost come 360 degrees and think he may be the greatest coach in the world but just doesn't have the talent to win the big ones. Only one way to find out and that's not going to happen.
My best manager list is short; Jim Leyland is tops, Torre is close.
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SBsigmapi
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3/24/2005 2:26:22 PM
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Leyland yes, great mangager. Torre, I think you are ignoring the fact that Torre gets to coach an All-Star team every year and doesnt get All-Star results. If you gave Cox or Leyland the Yankee's line-up they would win 120 games and sweep the playoffs 10 wins and go home. Torre to me is the most overrated manager in the game.
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roswellric
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3/24/2005 2:33:57 PM
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I don't think so. At least offensively. He can manufacture runs when he has to and I think that is Cox's biggest shortcoming. The craziest thing about the Braves is that the hardly any of them know how to bunt the ball down when they have to.....but that has improved a little in the last 2-3 years.
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SBsigmapi
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3/24/2005 2:57:25 PM
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So Cox you dont think that Cox, who wins 100+ games a year with line-ups of various abilities, could boost that win total by 15 or so with the Yankees 6 AL All-Star starters?
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lamont
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3/24/2005 3:03:35 PM
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I have always liked Torre, even though I hate the Yankees, because of his past Braves affiliation. It's hard to figure out just how good a manager he is because he always has the best talent in the league. Same argument can be made about Phil Jackson and the Bulls and Lakers. However, I am 100% with Sig in that those who sat through the lean years seem to appreciate Bobby Cox alot more than the Johnny-come-lately bunch. I'll take 13 in a row with one championship any day. I always laugh when someone like Terrance Moore, local Atlanta sportswriter who specializes in racism, rags on Bobby not being able to win the big one when Terrance is never even nominated for any of the sports journalism awards. So easy to expect excellence from others.
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JIM
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3/24/2005 3:38:49 PM
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Like I say it is obvious, Ray Charles could see that. As for payroll, Cox had been given a blank check up to last year, and has had some of the best talent of any team, bar none. Look at his playoff record, enough said. So there is your BS.
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roswellric
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3/24/2005 3:47:53 PM
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Who knows... I do know that when it comes down to the World Series all the pitching is great and that's when the manager can have more of an effect on the outcome than the day-in day-out stuff. I guess you would have to see Torre in a lesser situation to tell. In my opinion he calls a better offensive game than Bobby. No doubt that Bobby will be in the hall of fame for his run with the Braves.
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lamont
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3/24/2005 4:00:03 PM
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Yeah, look at it......13 championships in a row. And your grand accomplishments are? Perhaps BS'er of the year sits on your mantle?
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3/24/2005 4:07:11 PM
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You are a moron.
URL: Last Paragraph Sums it up.
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JIM
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3/24/2005 4:36:25 PM
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It is a shame that we can not have a discussion on this board, and give a opinion that does not agree with othersand get called names such as a moron or bs`er. I guess that is the way it is. As far as news articles, they are not worth the paper they are written on. And the best managar around is Jim Leyland, Cox is not in the same class. Next would be Torre. Have been a Braves fan since they were in Boston ,and was born in Atlanta and lived here all my life, so do not tell me about the lean years, also use to go to a lot of Atlanta Cracker games at Ponce de Leon Park before steriods and big money. Same as NASCAR, money has ruined it all.
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3/24/2005 4:43:51 PM
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Thanks man, i was just thinking to myself, "self, you sure could use a pessimistic view of baseball to help kick off the new season." As for your "fan resume", I am not interested. The fact that you denounce the manager that has led a team to a sports record (not just baseball) of 13 straight division titles places you on the "fans we could do without" list. I suppose we should also denounce field general Dan Marino for not leading his troops to a Super Bowl victory---in fact, lets just go ahead and state the "obvious", Dan Marino sucks too.
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JIM
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3/24/2005 5:02:02 PM
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You stated that, not me. He was not a head coach. Maybe you did not know that, learn something everyday if you pay attention.
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3/24/2005 5:13:03 PM
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Thanks. I am glad that I can learn something from your oh so smart self. Now you learn this, winning a World Series does not make you a great manager, and only winning one does not make you a bad one. Mike Scioscia has won a WS in one sixth of his years as manager. Is he better than Cox? Your arguements are dramatically flawed and are directed toward a man that has led YOUR team to a record number of division titles. Please become a Yankees fan--you fit that mold much better.
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JIM
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3/24/2005 5:35:27 PM
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I do not beleve that being a Yankee fan is in my future. But the Yankees have been and are still a better team than the Braves will ever be, they got the money and will spend to field a good teamThey stand a much better chance winning the World Series than the Braves. Usually the teams with the most money win Champships in sports. Has Derick Cope ever won a major NASCAR race? Put the nurses aid in Cope`s car this weekend and see where he finishes.Put Cope in the nurses aid`s car and see where he finishes, pit crew goes with the car.
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3/24/2005 5:54:09 PM
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Yes, moron. He won the Daytona 500.
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JIM
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3/24/2005 6:34:36 PM
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How long did it take you to go to google? As far as calling me a moron, thanks, I have been called a lot worse.
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roswellric
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Whoa!
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3/24/2005 9:33:35 PM
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Now I thought we could all have opinions. This is getting a little too heated. I think so far this was a fun exchange if ideas and opinions. I have to say that while I don't agree with JIm on a few things ( but do on a couple) I enjoy his posts and he is entitled to his opinions without insult. Can we cool it just a little?
Peace!
RR
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Whoa!
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3/24/2005 10:30:40 PM
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Total agreement with RR. Personal insults and calling of names is uncalled for particularly over something as insignifiant in importance as games. Sports and games should be and are intended for enjoyment, competition, conditioning and the building of character and respect for one another. Shakes hands, have a clean fight and then a sportsmanship hug at the end of a hard fought battle. Spectators, parents, and fans should even observe and learn these truths.
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ChrisCraft
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Who cares?
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3/25/2005 2:24:18 AM
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It reeally puzzles me when adults who can see the truth in sports and still be enthused about it. My God, don't you have anything more productive to do in your life? A job? A purpose? Responsiblities? MLB and the NFL are no different that pro wrestling has always been - fake and all about money. Didn't use to be that way but is now.
There are MANY better ways to spend time.
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lamont
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3/25/2005 7:13:22 AM
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Hey Sig, let us not forget the pitiful Super Bowl run of the Buffalo Bills. What a pathetic bunch of athletes.
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lamont
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Half Right
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3/25/2005 7:19:53 AM
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They are all about money but, I don't think you will convince many that MLB is fake. Who said anything about spending all their time on sports. I love sports but, would much rather be on the lake. I personally spend more time doing yard work than watching sports.
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3/25/2005 8:08:09 AM
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I am willing to put good money down that SBsigmapi can't beat you in a debate on that issue (doing more yard work than monitoring sports).
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lamont
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3/25/2005 8:23:48 AM
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You are probably right but, Sig is much younger than me. His time will come.
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3/25/2005 9:34:58 AM
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I didnt google it. I remember the race. Earnhardt blew a tire on the last lap. Maybe you should have gone to google before trying to make your point.
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vroommer
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3/25/2005 9:40:27 AM
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Derrike Cope actually won two NASCAR Winston Cup (Nextel Cup...can't get used to it!) races, both in the same year, the Daytona 500 as was noted previously, and a race at Dover, Delaware.........hasn't really sizzled since.
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JIM
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3/25/2005 9:46:53 AM
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OK, I think I got the point across. Substitute Dick Trickle for Cope, see what y`all come up with.
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SBsigmapi
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3/25/2005 9:50:05 AM
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First of all Lamont, thanks for not jumping on the bashing me bandwagon. For the rest of you, I too never said anything about spending all my time engulfed in sports. I too would much rather be on the lake. If this were not true, i would be posting this message on some fantasy league web site. I do my share of yard work as well as I am now a homeowner of about 3 months and have probably spent more time the past 3 months in my yard than any of the rest of you. Trust me it is alot more work to recover a yard from neglect than it is to maintain an already manicured lawn. Like you said, pro sports are not fake and I agree that money does make a mess of them at times. Let's remember, this post started as a question about predictions for the upcoming season. If someone despises baseball, the money involved with baseball, Bobby Cox, or anything else that you can think of to despise, why not leave it for the post titled THINGS I DESPISE. Instead, hardly anyone has posted anything about how they think the season will turn out. Again. I think the Braves will win their 14th straight division title, the NL pennant, the WS and they will do so on stellar pitching by Hampton and Smoltz, better than average pitching by Hudson and an MVP quality season by Andruw Jones. If by being able name drop 5 Atlanta Braves then I am a crazy sports loon, then so be it. Now, anyone else care to post a prediction?
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lamont
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3/25/2005 9:56:05 AM
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Come on Jim, we all know that Jimmy Spencer is the most talented driver on the circuit.
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| Name: |
lamont
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3/25/2005 10:00:20 AM
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I will refrain from posting my predictions because I do not want to put the proverbial "kiss of death" on the Braves. I am worse than the Sports Illustrated jinx. The fact that I do feel very optimistic about the Braves should deter anyone from betting on them. Hope I am wrong on this one.
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JIM
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3/25/2005 10:41:50 AM
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With the name Jimmy, he has to be good. As far as the Braves , they lose as usual in the short series, due to bad decisions by Cox.
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ChrisCraft
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Hold on!
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3/26/2005 2:48:54 AM
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If it's about money it IS fake! Geez...I know you don't EVEN want to argue this point........
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lamont
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Hold on!
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3/28/2005 7:23:47 AM
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Soooooooooo, anything involving money is fake. Wow, interesting concept.
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