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You will not believe this...
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12/6/2005 7:55:12 PM
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The student senate at Auburn University has voted to call the campus Christmas tree a "holiday tree" after a petition to change it to a Christmas tree. I can't believe that political correctness has come this far south in our schools.
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jawjagal
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You will not believe this...
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12/6/2005 8:36:07 PM
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How old are you, Ric, and how long has it been since you were in a school? I have been teaching since 1978, on and off. I could write a book.
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roswellric
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Well
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12/6/2005 9:16:41 PM
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I just had a little more faith in the parents. I remember the days when when this junk thinking came up in schools it resulted the parents standing on the teacher's or administrator's desks. I guess the parents have abdicated their responsibilities in the education system.
Hey! It's moral equivalence! It's social autism! It's secular humanism and very few people have the courage to stand up to it.
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jawjagal
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Well
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12/6/2005 9:19:08 PM
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What it is, is, a shame. And in some instances, scary.
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WSMS
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I'm told that's not quite it.
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12/7/2005 1:20:23 AM
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Apparently, the tree is still a "Christmas Tree." But the ceremony to light the tree has been changed to "Holiday Tree Lighting." (I guess that "Holiday" refers to the ceremony, not the tree.)
The Senate will meet to discuss changing the name of the tree to "Holiday Tree," but not until January. (!)
I'm not sure what the semantics solved, but that's what they say.
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BigFoot
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I'm told that's not quite it.
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12/7/2005 9:49:15 AM
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This whole hullabaloo this year about "naming" a tree,event, parade, etc. is just crazy, crazy, crazy.............If you're afraid of offending someone, just don't name it anything. Why does a tree have to have a name anyway? It would be really interesting if you just left off names, titles, etc. at Christmas-time and see who comes out of the woodwork to complain and what the basis of their complaint would be...........okay, I'll go back in my hole now........
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TBird
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I'm told that's not quite it.
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12/7/2005 9:49:41 AM
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We are new to the Lake and this forum. We mainly sit on the sidelines and read the comments trying to acclimate ourselves with the area and the opinions. We are Florida transplants and soon to be fulltimers at the lake.
This post is of special interest to us as we just adopted our three grandchildren (8, 10, and 12) and after being out of the public school systems for many years we are again in the parent/school standoff mode. The system has lost sight of what is important in education and child development. The cry babies need to get a life and concentrate on what is important.
I am including a partial story from a local paper about schooling and especially homeschooling.
"WASHINGTON -- A 16-year-old California boy won a premier high school science competition Monday for his innovative approach to an old math problem that could help in the design of airplane wings.
Michael Viscardi, a senior from San Diego, won a $100,000 college scholarship, the top individual prize in the Siemens Westinghouse Competition in Math, Science and Technology.
Viscardi said he's been homeschooled since fifth grade, although he does take math classes at the University of California at San Diego three days a week."
Home schooling is becoming very popular and growing. Could be parents want more for their kids.
We are going to enroll our three in Auburn private schools. The local public schools are only as good as the system will allow them to be. Many fine teachers are leaving the system and going else where out of frustration. We were raised with the Ten Commandments and started the day with the Lords Prayer plus the pledge to the flag. Getting in trouble at school meant getting into worse trouble at home, not confrontation with the administration by the parent(s).
Enough said, were done. Have a great day. Don't shoot us, just our opinion(s).
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GoneFishin
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I'm told that's not quite it.
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12/7/2005 11:59:19 AM
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It is interesting to note that the article continues with the following: "His father is a software engineer and his mother, who stays at home, has a Ph.D. in neuroscience, he said." It is is quite as honor and the young man is to be congratulated. I often wonder how a parent is able to devote the time to home schooling and then maintain a full time job. I raised two children who took numerous AP courses and foreign language. I wonder how a parent can be proficient in english, math, foreign language, and history. I certainly did not have the proficiency to teach my children at the level they were taught.
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BigFoot
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I'm told that's not quite it.
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12/7/2005 12:49:48 PM
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Good point. As a retired secondary school teacher/counselor, I can tell you that most attempts at home schooling fall short of expectations. As it often happens, parents re-enroll the child in public or private school and are disappointed to learn that home-study credit does not easily transfer into SACS-accredited institutions. The child must also re-adjust to the learning environment. For some home-schooled children, this is not easy.
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jawjagal
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I'm told that's not quite it.
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12/7/2005 2:03:14 PM
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I homeschooled my #2. Because he was squirrely. It was my responsibility to get him 'school ready.' That meant being able to sit still mostly all day because schools want boys to act like girls. What does that mean? Color neatly within the lines, keep your hands to yourself, write neatly, sit still for hours, yadda, yadda, girl stuff.
I am a teacher. I have taught for almost 20 years. My opinion is that elementary teachers love little girls and tolerate little boys. My oldest son pleased all his teachers and never had a problem. #2 comes in the world with the attitude,"What did I do?" One funny story I can tell you about how his mind thinks is: "The middle school dance was great. I want to go out and buy something at the next dance to do what somebody did at the last dance." "What was that?" I asked. "We've got to get a stink fart bomb so I throw it in the middle of the dance floor!" Now as funny as that seems and such an old school thing you read about or knew about growing up, boys can't be boys anymore. I had to try to tell him how much trouble he would get into doing that. All he saw was how funny it was. Boys march to a different drummer - usually. #! was just an unusual son. #2 is mainstream. By the time they reach middle and high school, boys' behaviors are much more accepted (not the criminal kind, but the mischevious kind - they are punished, but aren't looked down upon like elementary teachers do...afterall, one is finally seeing MEN in the middle and high schools modeling, but who do they have to listen to in elementary school - WOMEN!) and if you have a good teacher, directed in a positive way.
I just wish boys could do more hands on learning and not such book learning to get ready for the TESTS they give 3 x's a year - every year!!!!!!! Boys minds are just wired differently. I wish schools would accept that.
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FLee
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Not supported by facts
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12/7/2005 2:52:43 PM
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While I am sure there are some exceptions, most attempts do NOT fall short. A lot of people do not realize that many homeschool parents never plan to homeschool the entire time. They plan to enroll their kids into an organized school after 1, 3, or 10 years of homeschooling - based on each individual circumstance. We chose to enroll our kids after their 8th grade year. We didn't "fall short". In public school, our kids (who are not exceptions - just normal kids) continued to excel in studies, sports, band, work and all other social aspects.
In the state of Florida, I have never heard of problems with accreditation - however, we are a "homeschool friendly" state. Our kids were placed in honors and AP programs when they started high school. They didn't have to "adjust to a learning environment" because they were always in one. One that allowed much more flexibility, creativity and opportunities for learning than most organized educational institutions.
Many of the points you make are characterizations that we heard when we first started homeschooling in 1993. I haven't found them to be true and doubt that the families of over 3 million kids currently homeschooling would find true either.
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jawjagal
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Not supported by facts
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12/7/2005 3:24:26 PM
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When you say OUR KIDS, do you means your own - the parents of these grandchildren? I bet when Jeb Bush took over and implemented George's NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND, you will find things differently now. I am only talking 3 years ago when I homeschooled for 2 years. My child is so smart he is bored squirrely, but if teachers don't teach BOXED IN the way they have to, they would never get to all the QCC (Quality Core Curriculum) objectives the NCLB makes them. Creative/hands on teaching is hard to come by. There is NO time.
Believe me. I have 20 years - starting on and off from 1978 until 2 years ago. I have seen 4 decades of teaching implementations that were used then unused when something new comes along. I LEFT recently because of all the paper work. I love to teach (and am contemplating a part-time Gifted position as we speak) but only Gifted where there aren't as many - or different - hoops to jump through.
Tests, tests, and more tests....that's the NCLB. Get ready. They are teaching towards the tests....not much critical thinking. Good luck. (I have mine back in public because I moved to a county that isn't quite as anal about the tests AND because I would do more harm than good in the areas of math and science - his talent areas.) I am not going private until I can't find a good public school any longer.
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FLee
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Not supported by facts
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12/7/2005 3:53:39 PM
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These were our own kids. Homeschooled from '93 to '02. (not sure where you are going with the grandchildren idea)
No problem with Jeb's program - to my knowledge, hasn't affected homeschoolers I know or our public high school program. However, we didn't start public school until '01 so we may not know better.
Our public high school puts a lot of emphasis on critical thinking - as part of the curriculum as well as after-hours programs.
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jawjagal
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Not supported by facts
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12/7/2005 4:07:33 PM
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Sounds good. I don't know where I got the grandkids idea either. My oldest did all the AP stuff, jt. enrollment, etc.(graduating in '04) but just in 8 years, school is so different (the difference in my 2's ages.) It saddens me to see it become so institutionalized. Teachers don't have much time to listen to children any more. "Gotta move on...."
I would homeschool again in an instant if it wasn't for sports. Gotta have more than rec ball. I gotta another big'un (like his brother who was offered footballs scholarships.)
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GoneFishin
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Grandparent
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12/7/2005 4:31:22 PM
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The reference to grandparent comes from TBird post.
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JIM
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Grandparent
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12/7/2005 5:58:28 PM
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What a crock of chit this thread is. I bet Jr, was home schooled.
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GoneFishin
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JIM, JIM, JIM
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12/7/2005 6:33:22 PM
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JIM sounds like an eighth grade wonder. You wonder if he ever went beyond the eighth grade.
Yeah, yeah JIM, I am Gone Fishin!!!!!!!!!!
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JIM
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JIM, JIM, JIM
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12/7/2005 7:45:24 PM
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I have a college degree in evaulation of dumb a`ss`s 101 , and your grade is A+.
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jawjagal
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JIM, JIM, JIM
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12/8/2005 9:25:06 AM
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Just one class....DA**s 101? The 100's are just your Freshman courses. That class will have to count as an elective. Your degree should hold at least 60 hours of your major/minor. Did you take:
It takes one to know one DA**301
A sucker is born every minute DA**302
The man in the mirror DA**303
You talkin' to me? DA**304
Mirror on the wall, who's the DA** of them all? DA**401
The world according to DA**'s DA**407
Monkey see, Monkey do DA** 408
I am Spartucus DA**409
You really don't have a true degree without these 40 hours. 20 hours can be in your minor. What is your minor, Jim, and I will look in the University of Georgia catalogue and find out what classes you should take for them. I'll be waiting.....
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CAT BOAT
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JIM, JIM, JIM
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12/8/2005 9:25:53 AM
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I have a college degree in evaulation of dumb a`ss`s 101 , and your grade is A+.
"Now, that's funny". LMAO.
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CAT BOAT
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Welcome
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12/8/2005 9:32:00 AM
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TBird, welcome to the forum, and welcome to the lake. Your opinions are always welcome by me, and probably most others. I hope you enjoy the area here and have a great summer. But, whatever you do, don't beat up on the loud go-fast power boats or you'll get booted off the forum. (Ha, ha).
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BigFoot
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Not supported by facts
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12/8/2005 9:51:26 AM
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I think my comment about the learning environment was misconstrued. The learning environment in many public secondary schools is a very difficult one. There are many distractions. It is an environment that trips up many kids, especially those needing more calm and focus. Generally speaking, it was my experience that the child with an extended period of home schooling did not easily adapt when re-entering the public school environment. My post was not an endorsement of public education over home schooling. The fact remains, however, that many parents find that they have bitten off more than they can chew with the home-school endeavor.
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FLee
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Not supported by facts
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12/8/2005 10:10:16 AM
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I understand. I also understand the issue with all of the testing. One of the problems associated with this program is teaching kids to take tests vs. teaching them to learn.
As I mentioned, Florida is "homeschool friendly". Since we still pay property taxes that support our schools, we are able to participate in any public school function (e.g. sports, band, clubs, particular classes, etc.). The only requirement is to sign up and the parents are responsible for transportation to and from the school. If we had decided to homeschool during high school, our daughters would still be able to swim and play water polo for the public high school team.
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FLee
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Not supported by facts
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12/8/2005 10:13:24 AM
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Thanks, Bigfoot. Understood.
I agree it's a big bite.
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longtimer
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JIM, JIM, JIM
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12/8/2005 1:32:38 PM
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Spoken like someone who "graduated" from third grade only because his five-o'clock shadow was scaring his classmates.
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JIM
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JIM, JIM, JIM
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12/8/2005 4:07:43 PM
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Who is this Audie Murphy wannabe refuring to?
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jawjagal
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Not supported by facts
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12/8/2005 4:24:03 PM
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Yes, I understand now. I was interested to know about still being able to play sports for your home high school while homeschooling. It makes sense since you are a taxpayer. I don't Georgia voted to let you do that yet. I think they were contemplating it. But since I have been out of the homeschool business for 2 years, it might have passed because I haven't needed to know at the moment.
I could take my child through high school in English and History. But not math and science. Thank goodness for jt. enrollment and AP classes to challenge and to have additional classes to take when one finishes the required core classes.
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TBird
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Welcome
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12/8/2005 6:18:36 PM
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Catboat thanks for the welcome.
Just got off work and was trying to catch up on the latest. Understand loud fast boats are only allowed during the summer and with the permission of JIM. Also heard they must run the east side of the lake on even days and must be escorted by a "toon boat"
We will be full timers soon and we are looking forward to it. Love this place . . .
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JIM
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Welcome
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12/8/2005 6:50:20 PM
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TBird, I love the loud and fast boats.The folk`s that protest cant afford them. BLING IT ON.
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TBird
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Welcome
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12/9/2005 6:34:08 AM
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You are right when you say most people who complain about loud fast boats can't afford them. We are certainly in that class, we couldn't afford the fuel. After taking on three kids a lot of things we took for granted have become luxuries. We like most all boats but we do take exception with a few operators, especially the ones who like to run by our dock at full throttle.
Oh well, time to get off to work. Have a great lake day.
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joyrider
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Test
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12/9/2005 9:54:38 AM
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I'm playing catch-up today, so I'm jumping in. (Hope the waters warm!) ;)
I agree with Jawjagal-the schools are so hyped on Test. Teaching what will be on test, ACTs-SATs and Exit Exams. With a senior on hand, she is pulling her hair out over the Social Studies High School Exit Exam. Each test is differant, but unlike the Math section-there are no "formula's" to refer to. There are decades of History, refering to whatever memory you have. I know a handful of last year graduates, who made Honors, made 26 or higher on ACTs AND got scholorships, who (still) are trying to pass the SS section of the exit exams. They walked with the class for graduation, didn't receive their diploma, had scholorships waiting for them and had to take their GED in order to start college. They are still taking the Exit Exam to get that diploma, coming back each time the test is given to do so. (which is about every other month)
What's wrong with this picture?
Well, for starters-in OUR school system-there are WAY to many "coaches" teaching in the classrooms. Not all-but a lot-study the "game plan" for the up coming football, basketball, baseball, wrestling match, or whatever. They have subs in their classes EVERY Friday, and usually one or two other days out of the week.
Our High School is on a block system, which means they are taught an entire years worth of a subject in half the time. It's rush, rush, rush. Getting sick and missing a day or two is like missing a week.
My daughter is an average student, who HAS to study. But I do think this Exit Exam crap has been scaled at an unfair level. Not every child test well. My son (8th grade), on the other hand, can remember word for word what his teachers (5 teachers-not counting PE) say during the day. He test much better than my daughter and doesn't seem to have to study as much to make the grade.
I've never considered home schooling-I think I would have lost what little sanity I have left if I did. I applaude those who have the patience.
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jawjagal
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Test
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12/9/2005 3:09:40 PM
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What state do you live?
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JIM
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Test
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12/9/2005 3:49:44 PM
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What state do you live? And you are a school teacher?.
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jawjagal
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Test
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12/9/2005 10:21:50 PM
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One is never, grammatically speaking, supposed to end a sentence with a preposition.
So, if I had asked, "What state do you live IN" - IN would have been a preposition. I was grammatically correct, Jim.
Now, do you want to really ask an English teacher that question?
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CAT BOAT
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Re: Test
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12/10/2005 8:23:55 AM
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Dear Teacher,
I am rebuilding the engines in SCARAB MANS' boat. I ran a little TEST in the shop. The TEST shows the compression on seven of the cylinders on the port engine reads about 160 lbs. The other cylinder reads only 20 lbs. That happens to be cyl. #6. And for the last part of the equation, the firing order is 1.8.4.3.6.5.7.2 and the engine is GM vintage 350 cu.in. V-8 and is naturally aspirated. As an english teacher, what do you think this TEST reviels? I thought I might get an english teachers opinion on this before I proceed with the rebuild. Thanks for your time.
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BigFoot
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Re: Test
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12/10/2005 8:54:29 AM
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I know! I know! I know! (hand extended high in air)........................
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CAT BOAT
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Re: Test
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12/10/2005 9:53:05 AM
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Bigfoot, I was asking Jawjagal, but being you raised your hand first, I will hear your answer!
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jawjagal
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Re: Test
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12/10/2005 10:31:16 AM
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If you had asked that question in my high school English class, I would have told you you were in the wrong classroom. The science class would be next door. I could NEVER understand that question, was NOT a math person, and therefore, took the English/Literature/Grammar route...my propensity. Thank goodness for people like you to know such stuff. My knowledge is good for....well? I don't know what it's good for.
I married a do it yourselfer, accountant, math person to pull up the slack I lacked. And he's the Auburn grad. See how they produce the practical minded? I was in the graduate department at Georgia studying this fluff stuff that can't be put to use anywhere, except to correct JIM!!!!!!!! LOL
Since I am a good Auburn wife, and your know where the brains in my family went to school, let's start another round of Auburn vs. Georgia game. Want to? LOL
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JIM
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Re: Test
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12/10/2005 10:51:40 AM
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Here`s my evaluation. # 6 either has a bad compression ring or whorpped or burnt valve ,,maybe a bad seat. Think I would do a wet and dry compression test on # 6.If that did not show me anything, bad cam lobe.
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CAT BOAT
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Re: Test
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12/10/2005 11:19:32 AM
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I was just playing around..... When I got up for work this morning, I was a little bored and got carried away on the forum..... again.
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CAT BOAT
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Re: Test
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12/10/2005 11:37:52 AM
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JIM, you might not type very well, but I think you missed your calling on the mechanical stuff. You get a B+ on your grade, only because you missed a couple of possible problems.
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jawjagal
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Re: Test
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12/10/2005 12:07:37 PM
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Of course, this is all in fun. If there is anything about British or American literature you might want to know?.....LOL.
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JIM
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Re: Test
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12/10/2005 12:07:44 PM
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Could also be bad lifter or bent push rod.
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BigFoot
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Re: Test
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12/10/2005 12:10:53 PM
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hmmmmmm....Jim took the words right outta me mouth........hmmmmmmmm.....scored piston? too many "pink pantie pullem downs" when testing #6 ?
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CAT BOAT
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TEST RESULTS
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12/10/2005 12:27:35 PM
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Upon inspecting the engine after taking it apart, it has a hole burned in the top of the piston from #6 cyl. #6 is usually the leanest of the eight. SCARAB MAN probably drank to many pink panty pulldowns the day he broke the engine. All answers were good possibilities. So, what did we learn here? Well, we learned that English teachers don't make good mechanics, JIM should have been a mechanic, and Bigfoot thinks like JIM. Now that's a real test....... LOL
JIM GRADE A
BIGFOOT GRADE A
JAWJAGAL GRADE F- (the - because she is an auburn fan)
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JIM
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TEST RESULTS
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12/10/2005 12:36:23 PM
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Thanks, CAT MAN. Now if we could only help JR. find his A`SS.
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Why don't you...
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12/10/2005 1:53:16 PM
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pen an Ode to Cat's camshaft?
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Maddog
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Re: Test
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12/10/2005 2:34:36 PM
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I can't believe you went to UGA and you pull for Auburn. My wife went to FSU and she has not been able to convert me to a semi-hole. I just can't believe you pull for Auburn. You must be a member of the Georgia Turncoat Band. I never did like English teachers. They were always the meanest teachers on campus.
I can't wait until next weekend. I'll get to the lake on Friday night and on Saterday morning, there will be a UGA-Southeastern Conference Champion flag blowing in the breeze from my front poarch.
HOW "BOUT THEM SUGAR BOWL BOUND DAWGS!!!!!!!!!!!
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BigFoot
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TEST RESULTS
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12/10/2005 2:41:10 PM
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Wow...this thread has gotten crazy, crazy, crazy................but I like
the pop quiz thing.......may we have another question, CAT BOAT ?
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CAT BOAT
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TEST RESULTS
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12/10/2005 2:46:20 PM
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Yeah, let me think for a minute, and I'll post it at the top of the page.
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JIM
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TEST RESULTS
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12/10/2005 2:54:32 PM
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If that be the case, there should be a lot of blow back, not in Jr, A`SS, in the oil pan.
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jawjagal
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Re: Test
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12/10/2005 3:07:15 PM
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I love my husband more than those rotating fickle 20 + or - football players. I loved Georgia when I was there, but life moves on for some.....:)
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joyrider
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jawjagal
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12/10/2005 5:15:15 PM
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sorry,... I didn't answer you.....This Christmas stuff,...shopping, baking,....has pulled me away from the forum. ....we live here, in Alabama.
Just a hop skip and jump from the lake.
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jawjagal
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jawjagal
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12/10/2005 10:50:19 PM
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That's fine. I was just wondering who else (which state) felt the testing was intense...
Hope you getting ahead with all your Christmas....
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