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Things-R-Slow, Just a Tidbit
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1/27/2006 11:36:43 AM
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Just a small interesting tidbit since things are rather slow on the Forum. I was working on an antique clock yesterday and discovered an interesting clock manufacturer's label on the back board. Along with the manufacturer's name and instructions for operating the clock was a copy of the 1820 U.S. Census. The population of Alabama in 1820 was 127,491, and for our Georgia neighbors it was 340,898. I was able to document the clock as made prior to 1824 since the company name change in 1824.. So, it appeared back then they got the population counted and the census data out rather quickly. I do not think they counted Slaves as part of the population, but I am not certain of that fact. I believe they were considered as property???
By the way the clock movement is entirely made of hard wood to include the gears. Just think it is a 180 years old + and still runs and keeps fairly accurate time.
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Island Camper
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Three-fifths compromise
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1/27/2006 2:39:49 PM
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There was an agreement called the Three-fifths compromise that allowed slaves to be couted as 3/5 of a person for taxation and representation in Congress. The agreement was made in 1787.
I have no idea whether the Three-fifths compromise was used in the census.
URL: Three-fifths Compromise
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CAT BOAT
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Three-fifths compromise
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1/28/2006 9:39:32 AM
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FEB, that is an awesome discovery and must have been really cool to find such. Is that the one you sent me a picture of?
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Three-fifths compromise
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1/28/2006 10:20:41 AM
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Thank you Island Camper, That is most interesting. Probably something I was taught long ago in school and had forgotten. I have printed out a copy of the attachment you posted.
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Three-fifths compromise
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1/28/2006 10:35:53 AM
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No CAT BOAT, i just obtained this clock. Hope you had a fun and relaxing trip with Mickey. I still owe you some pictures of the ship/boat clocks in my collection. You may want to post one of those on your Web Page. I have a beautiful solid brass Chelsea boat clock mounted on a piece of Jatoba wood with a brass plaque (not engraved yet). The plaque is a Commissioning Log having a place to incribe the name of the Builder, Boat Model, Name of Vessel, Owner's Name and Year. This clock has the ships bell strikes familiar to our Navy guys & gals. It would look great mounted on a "Go Fast Pontoon Boat" or Ric's new House Boat.
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CAT BOAT
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Still here
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1/28/2006 10:43:25 AM
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I am still here in disney. We are leaving tomarrow, Sunday a.m. My legs are tired, my back hurts, and my feet are tired. The kids are acting as if they are on crack or something.... funny. I have some pics sent to me for HOT CHIK PIC page, but I can't post them because of a firewall here at the Hotel. But when I get back, I will post them. Send me a pic of that clock, I would love to put it on site.
CAT
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jawjagal
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Cat in Disney
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1/28/2006 7:54:44 PM
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I was wondering why you hadn't been on much...trying to tie some things before leaving town for vacation? We were just there at Thanksgiving...not Disney (my kids are older than yours) but Universal. Be careful coming back.
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roswellric
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BTW
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1/30/2006 9:10:56 PM
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I have always loved "schoolhouse clocks". What would a real one cost?
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roswellric
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Perhaps
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1/30/2006 9:15:17 PM
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there could be a "Three-fifths compromise" that would apply to loud fast boats... :-)
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BTW
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1/30/2006 10:45:35 PM
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A school house clock is a type or style of clock that several manufacturers produced such as Seth Thomas, Ansonia, Gilbert, Ingraham and others. Generally it is a time only clock since you did not want the clock striking and disrupting the school environment. They are a popular style of clock. You will generally find two verisons either the long drop or the short drop. The difference in the two is the length of the lower pointed portion of the clock case where you see the pendulum. The 2005 price guides on the Seth Thomas short drops are around $350.00 and the long drops are typically more and valued up around $700.0. Price guides are guides only and the guide prices are for a complete original clock in good working order and good original appearance. You have to be careful since there are a lot of oriental reproductions of this style of clock and some are older clocks. There are plenty of marriages in the market places where an Ingraham clock case might have a Gilbert movement and etc. A marriage drastically reduces the value of the clock (OK - stop laughing).
The school house clocks are key wound spring driven (one key hole on the dial with one mainspring that is wound). A more valuable style of clock is the weight driven regulators typically found in banks and office buildings. These clocks were also generally time only with no strike or chime. These clocks were powered by a single weight vs. the spring. Good original weight regulators are valued more at a couple of thousand and up in dollars.
If you get serious about wanting one Ric, let me know since I know someone in the National Association of Watch & Clock Collectors who has an antique clock shop up around Pelham.
If anyone on the Forum has any clock or pocket watch related question, I will enjoy trying to help you to include maintenance, identification, values and etc.
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CAT BOAT
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Perhaps
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1/31/2006 7:36:25 AM
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Or, a compromise on really quite slow ones.
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roswellric
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BTW
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1/31/2006 12:19:23 PM
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Wow. You really are an expert on clocks. I am ignorant about them but I used to live in a neighborhood that had a clock shop in a converted gas station. I used to admire all the old clocks the owner had in there.
The house gets a roof this year but after that I may take you up on your kind offer. Thanks for responding. The info you gave is fascinating.
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BTW
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1/31/2006 1:30:35 PM
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You are more than welcome RR. Just let me know if I can be of future help since it will be my pleasure.
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jawjagal
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BTW
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1/31/2006 8:38:56 PM
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When we were in Germany on a 2 week vacation, I noticed clocks alot. Why? The Germans are so precise with their trains being on time....clocks everywhere..
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BTW
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1/31/2006 11:50:47 PM
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Nice and interesting observation jawgagal. There are no longer any American manufacturing of mechanical clock movements to any degree. Most of the mechanical clock movement for the last thirty to fourty years are by German manufacturers with the names of Hermle, Urgos, and Keininger. Howard Miller, Ridgeway, Seth Thomas, and other American clock makers use the German movements. Not nearly the quality of the early American. German, and French movements. Germany and that region of the World were once renown for their clock. Now days it is the accuracy and the convenience of the Quartz movements in both clocks and watches. Could you tell whether the clocks you saw while in Germany were mechanical or not? I suspect the Germans may still be using clocks with mechanical movements to a larger degree than the U.S.
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jawjagal
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BTW
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2/2/2006 9:02:44 AM
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You tell me. I don't know. There were large clocks in the towns and the railway stations...outside. I remember one being about 2 feet wide - on a pole - much like a decorative lamp pole. And then I'd look over inside the buildings and their clocks were EXACTLY what the outside/outdoor clocks would tell. This was in 1992. Frankfurt, Weisbaden (sp?), Garmisch-Parkenkurchen (sp?) AT CHRISTMAS!!!!!! What a neat trip.
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2/2/2006 9:34:46 AM
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I would imagine you saw some older public clocks to include the neat sounding street clock. Tower clocks, street clocks and large gallery clocks have a large following of collectors. I have always thought the old street clocks would be a wonderful asset to any "Old Town" revitalization efforts. Maybe it is just me, and I am lost in time. (LOL)
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BTW
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2/3/2006 6:13:07 PM
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I think adding public street clocks would add charm, too.
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2/3/2006 7:13:17 PM
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Nice to hear someone else appreciates the old street clocks. The National Association of Watch and Clock Collectors (NAWCC) has just this month iniatiated a campaign for reporting the discovery and location of old tower and street clocks. Several local chapters of the NAWCC in various parts of the country and internationally have actually gone out as volunteers and restored some of the historic old clock. I am sure that most of the obvious ones will get reported in the "NAWCC Spot a Clock" initiative. If anyone knows of an obscure tower or street clock, I will happily send in a report so it can be recorded. They just need to know the location (address and building name if a tower clock) and if you know wheter it is working or not. They would also appreciate a picture, but pictures are optional. I imagine the NAWCC will probably combine all the sighting in a book/atlas one day.
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2/4/2006 1:22:32 PM
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I've decorated with several in my home...for function and for appeal.
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2/4/2006 2:18:04 PM
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Exactly jawjagal. Many could be considered pieces of art along with antiques. Several of mine are in beautiful Belgium and Italian marble and a few in German hand painted porcelain cases. The deep hand carvings on some of the wood cabinets is exquisite. I too have a few in my home. Lets just say if you are a light sleeper, you would not rest well in my abode.
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jawjagal
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Tic Tock
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2/4/2006 8:19:43 PM
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Hey, Feb. Thought of you today driving from one charming town in Georgia to another...quaint towns and one had a pole clock like we wrote about...that's when I thought you would like seeing something like that...I think it was in Turin, Sharpsburg, or Senoia, Georgia. I was traveling back roads to get from one place (Senoia) to another (Grantville.) {plus I got turned around several times,,,but you would suspect that from a blonde!}
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Tic Tock
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2/4/2006 10:36:56 PM
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Thanks for thinking of me when you saw the clock. Second best thing to seeing it myself. I am not into generalities including the blonde myth. Must admit I have observed a blonde female or two play the dumb role just to manipulate the situation. The ones taken in were the dumb ones.
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