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Name:	Osms -	Reply
Subject:	Rights vs Privileges
Date:	3/24/2006 8:03:43 AM

Somewhere back in elementary school I was taught the difference between rights and privileges. As I understand it, a right as protected by the government, is a fundamental freedom such as freedom of speech--your ability to speak your mind as you please--as long as it does not infringe on someone else's right of freedom of speech. A privilege is the license to do something, awarded by some governing body, such as your privilege to obtain a driver's license and drive on the government's highways. The highways belong to everyone collectively (government) and if you abuse the privilege (DUI) then your privilege can be taken away from you.

Hopefully, you see where I'm going here. There is no right for anyone to operate any boat on Lake Martin; it's a privilege and if we are not responsible in our actions that privilege can be removed.

There have been several posts from anti-law supporters that say it's not the size of the boat but the operator that can cause the problem. I couldn't agree more, but we all have to accept responsibility for out individual actions. Maybe the bill was introduced to help a developer who felt he needed to control the PRIVILEGES of certain boaters who do not control themselves. He has the RIGHT to petition the government (legislature) to help him.

For the few anti-law people, one question: Why is the law necessary???

sorry for the partial post earlier--hit the wrong button

Name:	Pontoon -	Reply
Subject:	Rights vs Privileges
Date:	3/24/2006 9:02:17 AM

Momma- taught me:

RIGHT IS RIGHT

WRONG IS WRONG

GREED IS WRONG

Enforce the laws already in place.
My pontoon is slow-quite-ugly- I guess, will be allowed. to stay on lake-Had 1 for 25 years on Martin.

BUT THE DAM POWER COMPANY-- HAS NO RIGHT---TO EMBARASS THIS STATE--- which is fixing to happen-----in NATIONAL media..

IT AIN'T RIGHT----

Name:	Council Roc Doc -	Reply
Subject:	Rights vs Privileges
Date:	3/24/2006 10:11:26 AM

Can''t see how legislation designed to keep houseboats, their larger than life marinas and the eyesore they are off of inland lakes will work to embarass the state. Sure, there is alot of money at stake in this somewhere, but keep in mind that laws such as these have been in place in Georgia for a few inland lakes without adverse effect or embarassment.

I still have to wonder if George Bush's finance guru, Mercer Reynolds, an extremely powerful and influential individual is involved behind the scenes. Wouldn't surprise me...

Name:	Osms -	Reply
Subject:	Rights vs Privileges
Date:	3/24/2006 11:54:31 AM

Pontoon, explain yourself. How does the power company embarrass you and the state? The power co didn't ask for the legislation they just requested that if it is passed the law should be applied equally to all none navigable lakes in the state.

Where's the greed? Based on your thoughts about greed, Lake Martin would have never been built, would it?

Name:	AnchorbayDon -	Reply
Subject:	Rights vs Privileges
Date:	3/24/2006 12:24:40 PM

Unfortunately, the bill that was presumably aimed at those monster 100 foot houseboats that ply Lake Lanier, is so poorly worded that it now includes all of the cabin cruisers on all of the wetslips at Kowaligia, Anchor Bay, the Ridge, Harbor Pointe.

If the bill passes, thousands of peoples' recreational choices will be restricted and if it fails, nobody will be negatively affected. Those 100 footers are already prohibited due to DOT regulations prohibiting their transport on any road in the State.

No other state in the nation has such restrictions on any lake of this size. Only in Alabama would this even be considered.

Name:	Pontoon -	Reply
Subject:	Osms
Date:	3/24/2006 12:54:33 PM

Without the backing from Mr Alabama Power Co.---- these bills would be dead.

Dial/ Liard could not have push it throught the committee- so fast that we
-- the citizens--- was not aware of it.

As your question about greed--- please --- I don't have a clue what you are saying---- Where is the Greed----- 3500 ac. on Lake Harris

How will our state be embarrass?
Stay TUNED TO NATIONAL NEWS.

Name:	Council Roc Doc -	Reply
Subject:	Rights vs Privileges
Date:	3/24/2006 1:09:09 PM

C'mon Don, you and I both know that politicians are not going to, ESPECIALLY in an election year, draft and have their name associated with legislation that will either effect their donor lists to some degree or rile their base. Savvy ones will be able to satisfy all partys' concerns with minimal effect on their bottom line. I still have to think in my heart of hearts, that the legislation that ultimately will be debated will resemble Georgia's boating legislation for Lake Oconee. Who knows, I may very well be wrong and in turn, my faith in the political process will continue to diminish. But the debate is what makes this country great, isn't it?

Name:	longtimer -	Reply
Subject:	Rights vs Privileges
Date:	3/24/2006 1:28:49 PM

"and if it fails, nobody will be negatively affected."

You left out this part:

"Well, nobody who MATTERS, that is. Sure, people who enjoy getting out on the lake and not getting beat to death will stil be relegated to enjoying the lake from their docks, but they don't rent wet slips from me or have gas tanks that hold hundreds of gallons, so they don't matter. And people who are tired of seeing their floating docks battered, and thier boats battered too, will be negatively affected, but they don't matter, either. And people who are tired of watching the shoreline erode, who are tired of spending money on seawalls and seawall repairs, and who are tired of seeing the shoreline creep closer and closer to septic tanks will be negatively affected, but they don't matter, either.

But people who rent my wet slips, who buy gas by the hundred-gallon, and who buy large boats from me (see tham at our website, http://www.anchorbay.com/used_boats.htm; be sure to scroll!) will be happy, and they are the only people who matter; the rest of you can... well, you can complete the sentence yourself."

Name:	LittleKowaliga -	Reply
Subject:	Rights vs Privileges
Date:	3/24/2006 1:35:39 PM

I don't understand why AnchorBay Marina has "No Wake" buoys in the channel going by its slips and to its gas pumps. That is obviously a restriction on my right to operate my boat any way I please and is therefore un-American.

Name:	AnchorbayDon -	Reply
Subject:	Rights vs Privileges
Date:	3/24/2006 6:40:20 PM

Wakes that bounce boats and destroy seawalls come from all kinds of boats, not just 'big boats'. Are you so naive to think that, if this bill passes that the lake is magically going to get calm? Get real.

Name:	LifeTime Laker -	Reply
Subject:	One question for Osms...
Date:	3/24/2006 6:44:40 PM

"Dial/ Liard could not have push it throught the committee- so fast that we
-- the citizens--- was not aware of it."

Name/describe/point to or even elude to any other bill that is sitting in any other comittee in either house of the legislature!!

Your argument that we "the citizens" were not aware of the bill just shows your ignorance. Before trying to argue a point from the political point of view, educate yourself on the politics of the day. We "the citizens",for the most part,are so ignorant of what happens in politics at all levels of government that it is sad.

This is not meant to bash you, but sometimes somebody has to point out the obvious. This legislatioin affects you in a negative way, so therefore you are angry about it. Either get pollitically active and attempt to stop it, or get over it. The choice is yours. I can assure that all of my representatives know my feelings on the subject, do yours? Flaming others on internet forums is not the solution to what you percieve as a problem.

There, I have said my peace!!!! My opinion on big boats has not, and will not, change because of anything said here.

You are all free to flame me now. Have fun, life is short.

Name:	LifeTime Laker -	Reply
Subject:	One question for Pontoon...
Date:	3/24/2006 6:46:21 PM

Sorry guys. The alzhiemers is in full effect today. My previous post was meant for Pontoon, not Osms.

Name:	AnchorbayDon -	Reply
Subject:	Rights vs Privileges
Date:	3/24/2006 6:47:47 PM

Nobody said that having navigation rules is "un-American". Discriminating against ANY AMERICAN on waters funded and controlled by our Federal Government is un-American!

Everybody knows who I am and what I stand for. It's real easy to hide behind an alias and throw rocks, isn't it?

Name:	LittleKowaliga -	Reply
Subject:	Typical false argument
Date:	3/24/2006 6:52:51 PM

You know very well that's not what I meant. But since you decided to try to dodge the point, I will make it explicit.

When regulations that restrict how people conduct themselves on the lake suit your business interests, they are are reasonable limits that all civilized people should be happy to live with. When regulation don't suit your business interests, they are intolerable impositions on personal freedom.

When this debate started, I felt a twinge of sympathy for the minority that would be negatively impacted. The more I read this forum, the less I feel that way.

Name:	LittleKowaliga -	Reply
Subject:	Rights vs Privileges
Date:	3/24/2006 6:53:38 PM

Its easy to buy gas somewhere other than Anchor Bay too.

Name:	AnchorbayDon -	Reply
Subject:	Only in Alabama
Date:	3/24/2006 7:06:49 PM

Accorfing to the National Marina Association, no other state in America has placed such restrictions on a lake this size. Only in Alabama could it stand a chance.

It's good to have an issue like this in election year because it makes the legislators who want to be re-elected pay attention. Win or lose, both sides have let their feelings be known and will be noting where their senators and representatives place thier votes.

With only a few days remaining in the legislative session and budget bills, education bills, and eminent domain bills ahead of it, do you think the legislators might just find a way to not have enough time to consider this bill this year? I'd bet this bill does not see a deciding vote.

Name:	AnchorbayDon -	Reply
Subject:	Rights vs Privileges
Date:	3/24/2006 9:04:51 PM

FYI, I have not owned Anchor Bay for some time. My interest in this issue is only about fairness.

Name:	Council Roc Doc -	Reply
Subject:	Only in Alabama
Date:	3/24/2006 9:26:34 PM

Unfortunately, it will all depend on how much money is at stake.

Name:	Carnac -	Reply
Subject:	Get Real Don
Date:	3/25/2006 8:54:08 AM

There you go again spinning the story and flinging all of the stuff against the wall to see if any of it sticks. How many states in this great nation have inland, land-locked, lakes that are the size of Lake Martin? Get real. We know where you stand on this matter and appreciate your point of view but please stick to the realities. The big boats and fast boats stay in their slips, the people who own them can't afford to own Lake Martin property and don't buy much gas? How stupid do you think we are? I think we know the answer to that question as well.

By the way, Alabama was also the first state in this nation to require a boating license (V stamp). Now many other states are jumping on the bandwagon. It'll happen again as Alabama rolls out the new boating law.

Name:	longtimer -	Reply
Subject:	That's news.
Date:	3/25/2006 2:21:33 PM

When did you sell Anchor Bay? If I go back and read your posts over the past moth or so, how many times will I see you refer to Anchor Bay as "we", and how many times will you refer to the way things you do at Anchor Bay in the PRESENT temse? And if I ask my friends at ADEM who they deal with regarding the environmental issues regarding the old Castaway Marina, what will their answer be?

Name:	AnchorbayDon -	Reply
Subject:	That's news.
Date:	3/25/2006 11:19:08 PM

My wife and I now work for the company that bought it. The management at Anchor Bay has not really changed. We still have a 'dog in this fight' and it has very little to do with fuel sales, as has been suggested. I am vice president of the Alabama Marine Industries Assn and do not wish to see the further demise of the marine industry that this proposed law would surely cause.

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