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Maverick
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We Could Argue This Boat Bill
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4/10/2006 7:00:04 PM
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We could argue / debate or whatever this boat bill till we are all blue in the face and never resolve this matter.
I KNOW THIS POST IS LONG BUT PLEASE READ IN ITS ENTIRTY BEFORE RESPONDING
With that said, let me go back to my post of 4/5 entitled: Boat Bill Analysis / Questions, here are some excerpts:
"Boats over 30’ 6” Prohibited - Why 30” 6” because of the wakes they might produce? Wakes are not based on the length of the boat, but the draft and girth (or might be called beam) of the boat. A boats wake is based on the amount of water, which must be displaced to move the draft and girth of the boat through the water, and has nothing to do with the length of the boat. There are numerous boats, which have deep drafts, and wide girths, which are less than 30’ 6”. Just look at the large Sea Ray’s, Cobalt’s, etc. "
"Boats over 26’ 11”which can exceed 60mph. What did this provision accomplish, as there are numerous boats available, which are 26’ 11” or under and can exceed 100+ mph. and race in the ocean."
"So what does this bill really accomplish, other than maybe banning houseboats (not 100% sure it really does), in my opinion basically nothing other than to upset the owners of boats, which are classified in the bill as prohibited"
PLEASE READ ON – I KNOW THIS POST IS LONG
Ladies and gentlemen:
The problem is not with the size or speed of the boat, rather I would have to say the problem lies with it’s operator / want to be captain.
If go fast boats are not desired as they are to fast - the proper thing to do instead of stereotyping them would to be place a speed limit on the lake (actually Lake Tuscaloosa has one of 55mph and is enforced with radar, per a friend). As there are plenty of 26' or less boats, which can easily reach 100+ mph . So this provision of the bill did not accomplish anything, except place shorter go fast boats on the lake, which I am sure are not as easy to handle as the larger ones in rough waters, etc.
Shoreline erosion has nothing to do with a cabin cruiser as there are plenty of pier busting boats out there less then 30' 11", only way to slow down shoreline erosion is by limiting the distance and wake size a boat can produce in relationship to the shoreline. So say within 100 feet you have to be at idle speed or something like that (not 1/4 plane), etc. Then at say 150 feet, wake not larger than 2 feet, or something like that etc etc, etc. These are just examples in an attempt to get my point across in terms of the ration of distance from shoreline to wake size, etc as you could never enforce the actual wake size. Ever see a wake boat at 12-15 MPH with a full ballast want to see a pier-busting wake. Or a bass boat doing about 60 MPH then coming to a complete and abrupt stop right at your shoreline, or a PWC cruising your dock at 20 MPH with three people on it, believe it or not the PWC will through off a 2 foot wake.
So in the end what I am trying to get across, is we can all argue back and forth all day long and nothing is ever going to be accomplished as this bill really did not accomplish one darn thing, as the operators are the problem, not the boats. And unfortunately there have been people whom are very responsible captains whom have been wronged by the bill as they have been stereotype by society.
So the long and short of the matter, is in my opinion nothing has changed or will change, until we change the operators.
PS - My fleet of boats do not violate any of the provisions of the bill and yes I do own property on Lake Martin and better yet on the main channel, so I see plenty of boat traffic and wakes.
URL: Boat Bill Analysis / Questions Post
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Maverick
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Live Chat Tonight
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4/10/2006 7:36:46 PM
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If anyone would like to debate my aforementioned post I will be on Live Chat this evening and would be more than happy to discuss my views and listen to your poiints as well.
Only rule is you have to have an open mind ,as I will listen to your side with an open mind. As your viewpoint might differ from mine or you might to able to add something I missed.
Will be on Live Chat at 8:00 pm CST.
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roswellric
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30' 6"
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4/10/2006 7:46:06 PM
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If you have ever checked out boat prices you'll see that generally once you get a little over 30 ft a big change takes place in price and weight. I think that's what the authors of the bill recognized and drew the line there.
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lakefun
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We Could Argue This Boat Bill
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4/10/2006 10:40:57 PM
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Very well put, and so very true. Thanks for taking the time to post this. You have said it all.
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Maverick
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What - No Responses, Why???
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4/11/2006 10:08:27 AM
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Maybe my above post makes logical sense (keyword here is logical) and there is nothing to debate, could this be the reason there have been no responses to my post other then the 30'6" response and lakefun's.
If you do not agree with my post I would like to hear why, so please respond and lets debate this matter, and put it to bed once and for all.
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WSMS
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You answered your own question
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4/11/2006 10:34:39 AM
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"We could argue / debate or whatever this boat bill till we are all blue in the face and never resolve this matter."
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LIVIN LOUD
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MARINE POLICE
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4/11/2006 11:25:54 AM
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already under-staffed & now must try to enforce this bill:
How long will it take Gary or Fontaine to measure a boat 26' 11' + or -
Lots of boats out there- in the 25-27' range
How about boats 30'6"? not as many boats to measure as above--
but how difficult is it going to be to measure straight line between end of boats of a cruiser?
How do they enforce boats capable of 60mph? ALL boats are capable of exceeding 60--- Cat might have to work harder on some more than others
How about the 31+ center console boats with no galley?
why must they be moored at a marina with a certified pump-out?
What did this bill really accomplish? its going to make the Marine Poice job almost impossible
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roswellric
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Measurements
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4/11/2006 3:35:01 PM
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Boats are not like Blondes. (well kinda) All you need is a model # usually clearly printed on the side of most boats and a book. Hey! Let's ban Brunettes from the lake!
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LIVIN LOUD
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Measurements
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4/11/2006 3:48:57 PM
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The "cigar" type boats--- about 75 mfgs. & prob. 25% no longer in business.
Most mfgs. of these boats--- are alot like there captains--- they exaggerate about top speed and length
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| Name: |
roswellric
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Well yeah
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4/11/2006 4:33:49 PM
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but so what. So they have to measure a few? Actually there are devices that do that without the tape - the boats- not the blondes. You have to do them manually.
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