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Maverick
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7/30/2006 1:17:22 AM
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Heard from a pretty good source today, APCO is not longer going to continue to place lots on the market for lease on an annual basis
His source stated APCO was concerned about over crowdedness on Lake Martin and future pollution with the current growth rate on the lake..
Can anyone confirm this? If true looks like price of real estate just went up again, as APCO owns a large portion of the undeveloped property around the lake.
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Feb
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7/30/2006 4:37:40 AM
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Osms posted an interesting statment on the Forum July 12th that possibly ties into the rumor you heard.
Osms's statement: "APCO cancelled the lease bid this summer at the very last moment (signs were already up), so their management could 'review' the whole program."
It should be easy enough for someone to call and ask APCO on Monday. As Maverick stated this would be significant if true.
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Osms
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7/30/2006 9:08:18 AM
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Do you guys ever sleep? I talked to the APCO office a couple of weeks ago and no decision had been made at that time on what they wanted to do. Maverick's info is interesting--according to their office, they only had 230 or so lots remaining in their invertory (already surveyed and designated as residential lots). I wanted about three of the lots.
My guess is some mid-level manager is trying to make a name for himself by coming up with a new, great and wonderful plan.
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itisd
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7/30/2006 9:29:26 AM
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I hope it is true- Too much condo developement.
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MotorMan
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7/30/2006 3:17:39 PM
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Lots 300 and 301 had signs up on my slough south of the Biig Sandy Creek but they were withdrawn.
Some of this may have to do with the fact that all new lots must have two perk tests as of April 18, 2006 I think. or it was March 18.
Anyway you cannot perk a place for your leach field and just draw a place for a replacement field on your site map anymore. You must perk both fields.
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JIM
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7/30/2006 3:33:26 PM
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Don`t get me started on septic tanks again. There are so many violations on the lake it is unbeliveable. The EPA needs to get off their a$$ and do something about it, especilly the old places.If they are in violation,needs to be brought up to code. If I dive off my dock in Lake Martin and smell sewage, someone is in violation. What about the gray water?
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MotorMan
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7/30/2006 4:32:56 PM
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When I lived in WI, Pewaukee lake was poluted. It was well deloped around 1910. So they put in a two level sewer around it in 1975. One was under lake elevation becauce some cottages were only a few inches above the lake. One was about 80 feet higher.
By 1981,the lake was full to the top with a non-native weed. It grew very fast once the lake cleared up so light hit the bottom in 8 feet of water, about average, which was full of 50 years of phosphate detergent.
They now cut a continous path of weeds, much like Lake Eufalua, all summer. Only when the weeds, with the phosphates, are removed will the lake get normal again. Another 20 years or so.
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landstclair
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7/30/2006 5:02:47 PM
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Hey Osms........maybe what happened here (Nickajack Lake) is happening there. Tennesse Valley Authority ( a federal project ) took property from the farmers several years ago ( you know, for the public good and all ) for pennies on the dollar....built a dam...flooded the area...created a beautiful lake...and now has sold it to a developer at an unbelievable profit. Now don't get me wrong, it will benefit the area tremendously, but I ( and many others ) feel that the families that lost their land in the 1960's should benefit somehow.....maybe the same developer is wanting some Lake Martin property........can't blame anyone for wanting that!!
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JIM
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7/30/2006 6:21:41 PM
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If you mention septic on this board, the thread stops. A lot are in violation if the thruth was known.
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Osms
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7/30/2006 7:28:24 PM
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Jim, how would the county check to see if a septic system is okay? I agree they need to be upgraded, but I'm not sure how they do it.
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JIM
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7/30/2006 7:34:50 PM
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Require the owner or leasee to show a certificate of complyance. Should be inspected by a certified plumber.
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Osms
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7/30/2006 8:09:24 PM
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Not picking on you here, but plumbers don't have anything to do with septic systems. I think they would have to identify where the field lines are and somehow check the area for sewage seeping out of the ground.
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JIM
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7/30/2006 8:10:30 PM
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Let me backup a little. I have a septic tank. It must be pumped every 5 years,by a certified St. approved septic service. If they pull the lid off and it is top full, that means the leach fields are not working. If the system has failed, no Certificate will be issued,til corrected. This failure to comply notice is sent to the approate County.If not corrected the dwelling is condemed.
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Osms
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7/30/2006 8:13:51 PM
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That makes sense. That would correct your concerns here on the lake--especially the multi-user tanks. Wish they had that rule in Tallapoosa County.
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Osms
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7/30/2006 8:25:07 PM
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I understand your point, but APCO doesn't have the lease lots in one area. The lots are scattered over miles and miles of shoreline. They usually pick 25-30 lots to lease each year and some of the lots may be 10 to 25 miles apart--it's not blocks of land. You may know they own about 400 miles of shoreline. so they have plenty to spare.
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Clearwater Marine
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7/30/2006 8:55:37 PM
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You know the big boats at kowliga marina and anchor bay marina?
have talked to don at anchor bay and employees at kowaliga, anchor bay has a 500 gallon pump out station that has only been emptied twice in 5 years and was never full. and the story is even worse at kowaliga. Where do you think these boats are dumping ? I do know of the pumpout parades down near the dam, but where else are they dumping? Have you ever seen the growth on the hulls at kowaliga wet slips? so homes arent the only thing leaking into lake martin
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Osms
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7/30/2006 9:40:30 PM
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To the best of my knowledge there was not a single working pump out station on the MS Gulf Coast, even before Katrina. You were supposed to be three miles offshore before you pumped out, but most boats seldom if ever went three miles offshore. Pump out stations are a joke everywhere you go. I used a pump out station once in over 20 years--no I do not own a big boat on Lake Martin.
BIG BOATS DON'T BELONG HERE!!!!
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7/30/2006 9:54:12 PM
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I also agree, but I would say the same rule should apply to every residence or establishment and not just on the Lake. I am sure there are plenty of places that would be in violation within the water shed area and not just around the Lake. I wonder how well staffed any of the three Counties are to perform percolation (perc) test or even evaluate perc test especially if a test is required on all feeder lines. I have heard there is only one individual for Coosa County, and I know it is a slow exercise in frustration from recent experience.
The other trash around the Lake is indicative of another significant problem of the Counties that would not be allowed in any town or city environment. The closer you get to the Lake the worse it gets. You can find at just about any given intersection close to the Lake thirty to forty different signs of either business or residence. They are mostly posted on public right aways. I am sure JIM recalls this eyesore.
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Pier Pressure
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7/31/2006 1:19:55 PM
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EVERY boat with a Marine Sanitation Device (MSD) must be inspected once a year to veryify that it conforms to State Law which identifies that it CANNOT pump its sewage overboard. They requires the inspection sticker to be placed next to the registration sticker.
My boat has a 20 gallon holding tank and it is impossible for me to pump it overboard. I have to empty the tank only twice a month. 99% of the boaters who stay at the marinas only use their boats on the weekend. How much waste can you generate on the weekend? Every ski, wakeboard, pontoon, runabout, and bowrider that I see around the rock will have someone hanging their butt off the back peeing in the lake. Have you not seen this???
If you spent any time at these marinas you would see that everyone uses the pumpouts. Keep trying to find a valid argument for your anti big boat fight... Try to get factual information first.
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Tallyman
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7/31/2006 2:01:07 PM
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Boats are not the problem. Poor folks like me do it over the side. Old folks like me, do it often.
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Tallyman
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7/31/2006 2:11:36 PM
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I pulled up in a quiet and elegant cove Thursday and encountered a big pack of beer cans and other assorted filth tossed on the site of a not so old campfire. I loaded up my only trash bag but lots was left. What is the matter with some people?
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7/31/2006 2:35:52 PM
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I wish I or someone had an answer to your question. Thank you for showing the opposite side of humanity and caring about the Lake. I came close to filling up the back end of my F-150 a couple of years back. I covered a small area knocking down advertising signs. These were not real estate signs but crap like plumbing, electrical, house cleaning and misc. services. I bet if I had called the phone numbers, most would of the numbers would no longer of been in service. Then there are the roofing and gutter advertisements. Those charaters have the tall ladders and put their signs way up there. Wish the State or Counties would impose a fine to stop it. On our part of the Lake, you can not keep official street or road signs from being mutilated or stolen yet the other crap is splattered everywhere. I will see personal residence signs all the way from HWY 259 to the Lake. In a 5 mile drive, I will see 10 signs to certain folk's cabin. Why???? (I know none of us have an answer for these poluters and de-facers of nature either.)
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JIM
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7/31/2006 2:36:53 PM
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Bet the water is poluted at the rock on a busy weekend.
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7/31/2006 2:44:33 PM
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That could be the answer JIM. It will stop the jumpers for their own safety. Just put up an official sign stating "WATER IS POLUTED WITH HUMAN EXCRETMENT - JUMP IN IF YOU LIKE".
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AUCATZ
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7/31/2006 4:52:33 PM
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Well Guys, it the threat of bodily harm or death doesn't scare them, why do ya'll think a little poop in the water will? People swim in West Point lake all the time and they have e-coli levels that close the beach areas every year. Hasn't stopped crazies yet. Personally, I'm ready to face the fact that lots of folks are idiots - and I'm glad my children don't number among them (at least I don't know about it if they do!). :)
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Adios
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8/1/2006 12:23:49 AM
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Great point Pier,
I'm also a "big banned boat" owner, but couldn't pump my holding tank into the lake at gunpoint - the boat simply won't do it (although suppose it theoretically could if I used a mouth siphon... but would need a legislative lesson first).
Question the paranoid many should ask is "even if I could pump into the lake - why?" It doesn't cost anything to pump out, takes less than 10 minutes, and the reason I've spent a bunch of money on a big boat is a love of the lake.
It's not about safety, wakes, sewage, or noise - just bad politicians and the money propeling that particular sewage downstream.
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Osms
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8/1/2006 9:10:16 AM
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Does your boat have a "through hull" fitting and macerator or pump that is connected to your holding tank?
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Pier Pressure
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8/2/2006 1:03:56 AM
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No, the only external fitting on the tank other than the suction out fitting on the top of my gunwale is the exhaust vent hose which has a one foot charcoal filter on it... (needs replaced annually, and it lets you know when)... I have no mercerator pump, instead there is a vacuflush system which creates a vacuum which breaks up the material through the system.
Y valves do exist on boats "rigged" for offshore, but would not be installed on boats delivered to inland lakes. (more expensive feature) That doesn't mean that no boat on lake martin has a y valve and mercerator pump, just that most do not. The boats with y valves must have "lockout" mechanisms and the marine police inspect them for tampering.
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Osms
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8/2/2006 8:03:21 AM
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If none of the boats with heads on the lake had thru hulls, then that would end the perceived problem. Putting a lock on the Y-valve is what you are supposed to do on the coastal areas, but that is a joke--gee, I wonder who keeps the key.
Hopefully, the boats sold by Russell do not have through hulls. Thanks for the update
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Pier Pressure
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8/2/2006 3:01:16 PM
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I agree. I would like to see the boats with through hulls have to close the draincock (or valve) and remove the y valve all together.
Honestly, I cannot fathom that anyone would dump into a lake.
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