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Name:	MythBuster -	Reply
Subject:	Snake question
Date:	9/29/2006 11:54:27 AM

Did we ever get a definitive answer on whether or not Diamondback Rattlers are found around here? We have some kind of snake around our wood pile, and I have no idea what it is!!!!!

Name:	au67 -	Reply
Subject:	Snake question
Date:	9/29/2006 12:49:28 PM

Folklore confirms there are only two kinds of snakes, Cottonmouth Moccasins and Diamondback Rattlers...they're both poisonous!

Name:	WSMS -	Reply
Subject:	Snake question
Date:	9/29/2006 4:39:40 PM

We got a definitive answer, though some apparently refuse to admit it. Here's what people who know what they are talking about say:

>>"Try this: ask them to supply just ONE range map that shows Diamondbacks in Randolph County, and/or just ONE legitimate reference book that differentiates between the Eastern Diamondback (Crotalus adamanteus) and a Florida Diamondback. I predict that you'll get a lot of bluster and "I know what I think and that's good enough for me!" indignation, but you WON'T get the range map nor the reference book. (If they'd like to discuss the topic with experts, I recommend they check out www.fieldherpers.com.)

And if they insist that they find Diamondbacks in Randolph County, have them get in touch with me; I'd love to go herping up there with them. I've never caught a C. adamanteus; of course, after a trip to Randolph County, I still won't have caught one.

(My guess: they are finding Timber/Canebrake Rattlers up there, and they are finding different color phases, and having a hard time believing that the pinkish snakes, the yellowish snakes and the blackish snakes are all the same species.)"

Also>>"There is no such thing as a "Florida Diamondback" Rattlesnake - they are all Eastern Diamondbacks Crotalus adamanteous. There is a Diamondback Watersnake Nerodia rhombifer rhombifer, but how anyone could confuse this with an Eastern Diamondback back is beyond me."

"Eastern Diamondbacks are the only diamondbacked rattlesnakes in Alabama and they only make it as far north as the Red Hills (southern Barbour county). They don't get near Randolph county according to records."

"The proof is in the pudding. Get one of these experts to show you a photo or better yet, a specimen from this area. It would be a significant range extension north.

And there is only one Diamondback found anywhere in the Southeast - the Eastern Diamondback. There is no such thing as a Florida Diamondback."

URL: The forum for facts.

Name:	JUA -	Reply
Subject:	Dang-if-I-no
Date:	9/29/2006 6:15:33 PM

Thanks for the definitive answer. The FLA diamondback reference came from the snake-a-torium owner in Panama City who had one in his shop floor explaining the differences between it and the eastern diamondback, as well as on some recent TV shows where scientists were hunting them. That scientiest dropped into a cypress stump to wrestle with a cottonmouth, so I'm not sure where ranked in his class's graduation.

Maybe I don't know what I saw, but I've never seen a 7-foot timber rattler. The 7-footer had typical markings of the eastern diamondback instead of the timber, and didn't have that funky foamy goo that is on timber rattlers.
As to how/why they morph colors, I have no idea.

Up here (middle-Tennessee) we have the pygmy rattlers from the state's severely threatened list, timber rattlers, (though the biggest I've seen was about 4-feet - mostly 2 to 2.5 ft but fat), some beautiful copperheads and I've seen just one cottonmouth.
Exact specie doesn't matter much. They can all cause severe damage if you get on the wrong end of the tail. It can cost over ten grand in treatment, too.

Name:	lawn experts -	Reply
Subject:	Snake question
Date:	10/1/2006 1:22:21 AM

WSMS is 100% correct!!! You go "Snake Hunter". LOL

Name:	WSMS -	Reply
Subject:	Snake question
Date:	10/2/2006 12:00:47 AM

Thanks for the undeserved credit; all I did was post the answers I got after asking somone who I knew would know the truth.

Name:	WSMS -	Reply
Subject:	The way I understand it...
Date:	10/2/2006 12:03:53 AM

the exact species matters a lot, since you need to be treated with the anti-venom specifically meant for the snake that bit you. Otherwise, you're paying thousands of dollars for vials of medicine that won't help you one bit.

But like I said in another response, I'm not the expert here!

Name:	roswellric -	Reply
Subject:	Was that yes or ???
Date:	10/2/2006 9:31:35 PM

Don't build me a watch, just tell me the time.....

Name:	MythBuster -	Reply
Subject:	Thanks!!!!!!!!
Date:	10/3/2006 1:04:46 PM

Now I know what it wasn't, maybe that will help me figure out what it was. Thanks for the link, there is a page on that site with some good pictures of local snakes, that should help in the future.

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