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truthseeker
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bothered
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3/14/2007 11:10:48 AM
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Was on the lake Sunday and met what appears to be a really decent guy and his son. They were in a beautiful new cat type boat that made me drool. I believe the boat was about 29 feet long give or take. In talking with them, I learned that the boat has twin 10 cylinder engines and is capable of about 140mph. What has been bothering me is that I believe people should have and enjoy what they can afford. I am not a fan of the boat law - think there is way too much government intervention in our lives as it is. I also believe this gentleman will be responsible with this boat but what scares me is that others with boats like this may not be so much. I'm usually a sitting duck out on the lake in my pontoon boat and I can't help but be somewhat disturbed by the idea of the wrong person operating a water rocket.
Don't have a clue about what the right thing to do about all this is but needed to unload. Thanks for listening.
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CAT BOAT
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bothered
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3/14/2007 12:12:09 PM
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When you purchase a boat like that, and invest that much money, MOST buyers pay very much attention when operating the boat. You would not believe what a boat like that cost! It will have the very best safety systems (steering, fire protection, hardware, drive systems, etc.) available. And they are very difficult to insure, and have deductables in the $25,000 to $35,000 range. Any reckless driving/dui etc and you are out of the performance boat market. I attend many events and I am around many performance boat operaters/owners several times a year, and these people are safe and concious boaters.
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ShoeFly
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plus
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3/14/2007 2:15:52 PM
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Plus there are cars capable of high speeds and they are still driven on the same highway as all of us. My point is, whether it is a car, boat or whatever, it all comes down to the responsibility of the driver.
Heck, I know my vehicle is capable of 100mph but I have never done it!!!
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fountain
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bothered
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3/14/2007 2:44:05 PM
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Hope it was only 26ft 10"---What part of the lake? Would love to see it.
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Osms
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Whatever happened...
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3/14/2007 2:46:47 PM
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to that Poker Run crash of two loud, fast boats on Lake Texoma that killed three or four. Did they identify the crazed pontoon boat driver that caused that tragedy?
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CAT BOAT
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OSMS
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3/14/2007 4:01:26 PM
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Those involved were friends/acquaintances of myself and several others that frequent this board. We saw those families often at poker runs, and they were very good people. I don't know why you made the "crazed pontoon" comment, but as of now I don't think they have decided exactly what happend that day. We miss seeing them.
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truthseeker
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bothered
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3/14/2007 4:06:48 PM
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Looked a bit longer than that to me but it is possible 26 and change is what it is. We were at the Rock when we saw it. Believe the boat was made in California - very nice.
To Shoefly - understand that many road vehicles are capable of high speeds as well. But there are many differences between road and water driving - not the least is that there are posted speed limits. And don't forget the lines and such on the roads that help keep us seperated from each other most of the time.
Don't get me wrong - I love to see and hear beautiful boats like this. But with the combination of this kind of speed, lots of boats on the lake, the variation of driver skill sets and experience out there, etc. - I can't help but think there will be some problems ahead.
I know personally that when I'm driving my Harley or sportscar, I drive somewhat differently than when I drive my truck. I'm quite certain that I would operate this tunnel hull a bit differently than I do my pontoon or ski boat. Human nature.
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Osms
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Catboat
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3/14/2007 7:10:16 PM
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I remember the accident well and know that some of you knew those involved--but we all know that that accident was caused by excessive speed. Whether an engine (turbine) failed or it was operator fault--speed caused the collision and the deaths. When you are operating anything mobile at excessive speed (speed that exceeds your reaction and judgement ability) bad things can and do happen. No amount of training, fire extinguishers, etc. can help if you are operating a fast boat in any conditions other than the open sea--which Lake Martin ain't.
You and I know how we each feel on this subject, but I will respond in kind when I see responses that support excessive speed on the lake.
Watch a NASCAR race; they crash routinely and it always involves excessive speed--but they are equipped for it--lake boats are not.
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mckaygmc
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bothered
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3/14/2007 10:58:18 PM
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agreed. but if they can outlaw a boat capable of a certain speed. when will they do the same to cars/trucks?
i say if they are that serious about how fast these boats are going. why not have a speed limit on the lake that we all have to conform to.
including us bass boat rockets?
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I agree with the speed limit idea and have said so on here many times. I think 25 (or less) after dark and 60 during the day would be reasonable. I don't think we should discriminate against boats capable of high speeds, just as we don't do so with cars. I have a car capable of 160+, and I'd be very pissed if the government told me I could not drive it on public road.
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Osms
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3/15/2007 9:37:53 AM
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Don't airports tell you how high and how fast you can fly in certain areas, and what type aircraft are allowed in certain areas and where you can land certain types of aircraft? It's done in the name of safety, isn't it?
Is boat safety any different?
I agree with the speed limits on all boats, but it is impractical to set a speed limit if you can't enforce it. The state doesn't have the WP and doesn't plan to add any.
The important thing ya'll all miss: The law doesn't say you can't own a big or fast boat--it just says you can't operate it on Lake Martin--that leaves 99.95% of the US as your pond (not counting the oceans). Sounds fair to me.
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Feb
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Boat Launch Fee
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3/15/2007 10:37:51 AM
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I could be off base here since I do not know. Do the public boat launches charge a fee for their use? I think a ten buck charge for each watercraft launched at a public facility would help assist funding the WP. It is a minimal charge in proportion to the cost of boating. It should be worth it for those on the water to have the additional safety and security of additional WP.
Those of us with a Lake place pay addditional taxes for piers and boat houses just to have our boats on the water. Any and all of us who enjoy the Lake boating wise should pay a fair share for the privilege.
What do others think? Maybe ten bucks is too conservative???
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Osms
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Boat Launch Fee
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3/15/2007 12:42:56 PM
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Couple of points:
1. Most of the ramps are furnished by APCo for public use as part of the FERC commitments. Do not belong to state.
2. There are probably ten ramps on the lake. Staffing 12 hours/day @ $10.00/hr not counting benefits would cost around $450,000/year. How much could they generate--not that much.
The state has done the best possible thing they could do with the new law. As soon as the law is affirmed by the court and the whining ceases we'll all be better off.
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3/15/2007 1:00:34 PM
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Thanks Osms for the educational learning points. It appears I am way too conservative and the ramp fee should be multipled by ten. LOL
I have never used the public ramps, and it sounds like APCO is offering a great service to Alabama boaters and other visitors.
How about raising boater registrations fees from $16.00 to $160.00 with proceeds going directly to the WP???
I wonder where violations fines end up in the State coffers.
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Osms
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3/15/2007 1:33:21 PM
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The same bureaucrat that is refusing to enforce the new law has been trying to increase hunting and fishing licenses to help pay for the department. Those licences haven't been increased in many years and boat registrations haven't been increased lately (I don't believe). Don't know what happens to fines, but they should go to the wildlife department for enforcement. There are only four patrol boats on the lake, I believe, which means 98% of the lake is not patrolled at any given time.
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3/15/2007 2:30:53 PM
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If four boats equal 2% then 196 boats would equal the other 98%. Are you sure you want that much more traffic on the lake? You may want to charge thousands for each boat launched. Better yet, ban all boats from the lake and save the state tons of $$$. Just think how peaceful it would be then.
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CAT BOAT
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3/15/2007 2:55:02 PM
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JUST FELL OUT IN THE FLOOR. LMAO.
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Feb
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I see your Point Hardenuff
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3/15/2007 3:08:11 PM
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I do think you misunderstand my point. It is not to oppose boating or any specific restrictions of boat types or performance capability. There has long been the discussion, agreed to by both sides, there should be laws restricting speed, unsafe conduct and etc. with enforcement on the Lake. This is for all our benfit. Also agreed upon by both side of the boating ban issue, there is not the law enforcement capability on the Lake to enforce such laws; therefore the point becomes moot.
Now maybe you and/or others have a much better handle on the issue than I. Where and how would we logistically support law enforcement?
It seems those supporting the boating ban are doing so not to deprive others rights, but simply because they may not see another avenue to effective control the current and future environment created by a few hurting the majority.
Happy Cat got a good laugh. He deserves it after reviewiing the Death Clock. Remember laghter is good for the Heart and Soul.
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CAT BOAT
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I see your Point Hardenuff
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3/15/2007 3:29:56 PM
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I don't think that was at you feb.........
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Feb
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The Important Thing
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3/15/2007 3:53:49 PM
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is you got a laugh out of it. If you did, I prefer it was at my expense.
Hesitation:
"Don't be a deer caught in the headlights of the Kenworth of life!"
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speed limit
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3/16/2007 12:21:04 AM
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i just moved here from the atlanta area and in georgia there is a speed limit on alot of the lakes. but to tell one person they cant operate there craft that can go 60+ but the next guy can just because it isnt as big or a different type . that is wrong. if speed is what they say kills.
then why is it ok to do it in a smaller boat?
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ot
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very good point
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3/16/2007 1:16:42 PM
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CAT - Volunteer Marine Patrol
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3/16/2007 1:50:13 PM
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Since Cat has one of the fastest boats in the lake, he should be our volunteer Marine Patrol Officer and enforce the new LM 55 MPH speed limit.
He gets to keep 50% of all citations to cover the cost of his fuel and maintenance.
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CAT BOAT
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CAT - Volunteer Marine Patrol
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3/16/2007 2:15:58 PM
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Actually, the boats in question (over 26'11" and capable of 60) really don't spend that much time riding around that fast. I've said this before also, "it is safer to operate a 27' boat at 70mph than it is a 24' boat at 60". Or even a SeaDoo or Jet Ski at 75mph. Go figure. But, I will patrol if yall take a vote. I want some blue lights for the boat, and maybe a badge also.
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Osms
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CAT - Volunteer Marine Patrol
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3/16/2007 2:55:16 PM
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You're hired. Now you gotta paint your boat black and white, get a radar arch for your lights, and disown all your friends, neighbors, and customers. Since you write the tickets, you'll be able to run w/o mufflers!!
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Feb
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How About
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3/16/2007 2:55:42 PM
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One bullet to put in your shirt pocket?
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CAT BOAT
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How About
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3/16/2007 3:56:43 PM
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OH, now i see how it is...... LOL> and i ain't Barney! Also, if I paint the boat, then I can't go undercover!
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Feb
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If You Go Undercover
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3/16/2007 6:09:28 PM
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Make sure bed partner does not have a gas issue.
If you go undercover, you will have to grow your hair long, a beard, get body piercings, and have most of your body signed by "Miami Ink".
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CAT BOAT
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If You Go Undercover
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3/16/2007 6:50:01 PM
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will i get a big check every month?
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Feb
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If You Go Undercover
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3/16/2007 7:22:21 PM
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You will have to check with Maverick on that one. He is in the Payroll Department. I understand the life insurance policy is rewarding. You may get an unmarked Ford with fifteen antenaes sticking out of the roof and trunk lid. .
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CAT BOAT
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NOW, we have a problem...
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3/16/2007 7:51:55 PM
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How can I be managing at GM dealership, and drive an unmarked FORD. I think maybe I don't need this new Patrol Job.
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NOW, we have a problem...
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3/16/2007 9:12:57 PM
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Submit a written request to Maverick for a voluntary reduction in pay in exchage for an unmarked Escalade.
Is there any truth to the rumor GM is going to roll the GMC line into the Chevy Truck Division as a cost cutting measure?
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NOW, we have a problem...
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3/16/2007 9:45:59 PM
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Come on cat, just drop a Big Block Chevy motor in that there Ford and that should make um happy, maybe a few Bowties too....lol
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Osms
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CAT, back to the boat...
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3/16/2007 10:00:32 PM
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cop gig. If you want to go undercover, you'll need to get a pontoon boat--you'll just disappear into the crowd. Supe that sucker up and you'll have total control of the lake (and the old women). LOL
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CAT BOAT
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OH HELL NO
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3/17/2007 1:48:56 AM
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Although, Cat had a bad summer with the heart thing... He don.'t need any "older women". He as a young woman, and family to take care of! (And only 43) And there is no pontoon boat in the near future. (Besides, you can't tow a pontoon boat 85 mph down I-65 for long without blowing the boat apart, or killing the truck because of wind resistance). And, Feb.. I don't see GM doing that... But we are always the last to know. And, if I was the police, I would pass out warnings to all pontoons for cruising 2-slow, 2-quite and 2-old. (kidding). Yall need to quit. "bling it on".
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Older Women
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3/17/2007 2:12:18 AM
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Well Cat, You know what Benjamin Franklin said about older women.
Here is his guidance to younger men about older women. Cliick on the link below and enjoy. More importantly heed his advice. I warned you about going under the covers.
URL: Older Women
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Pier Pressure
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Older Women
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3/17/2007 4:36:34 PM
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Thank you feb for that wonderful advice from Mr Franklin :-)
(for a friend of mine, of course not me ;-)
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Maverick
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Pier Pressure - ALSCN
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3/19/2007 12:07:42 AM
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After that comment PP, I would not let ALSCN anywhere my air tanks.
I would strongly suggest a you store your tanks with a GOOD quality lock with and several other tamper proof devices. As the next time you go diving, there may not be oxygen in those tanks, if ALSCN had anything to do with them.
Also, make sure the microwave oven is bolted down and padlocked as well.
On second thought, forget about all the above, as ALSCN, is probably just going to wait till your SOUND asleep then apply a little super glue, if you get my drift.
Sweet dreams, as your are in BIG trouble now.
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ALSCN
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Pier Pressure - ALSCN
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3/22/2007 11:13:54 AM
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You know what is funny Mav, PP has a short term memory problem... thanks for the ideas... he he he...
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