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Pontoonfisher
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Thoughts on low water.
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6/21/2007 1:11:59 PM
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I guess it depends on your situation about how much you care about the low water and APCO usage of the lake. For some, like me it's no big deal. We have year round water and plenty more water if it goes below winter levels. We have a floating dock and a stationary dock for the boat. When we can't use the stationary dock we just keep the boat tied to the floating dock which we move with the water level. The only inconvienance is having to take a few more steps to get on the boat. Now if your one of these people in a million dollar home that a developer has put in a slew with about 10 other homes and it has 5 feet of water in the summertime I would be upset too. But on that note it is mostly your fault for not realizing that the lake will not always be at full pool in the summer months. Most of the people that are upset are the new people to the lake that are experiencing this for the first time. Just chalk it up as one of those things you learn the hard way. This is a rare bad year. You can raise hell with APCO all you want but for alot of people on the lake this is just part of Martin and it does not affect or bother the long time residents. The drought has gotten so severe this year that no matter what APCO would have done different recreational activities would have been affected this year.
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Now get ready to be called names and get abused by some that only have their own ignorance to blame for any circumstance they my be in. And for the record, the water never made it to my boat ramp this year. I am high and dry now, but still enjoy the lake 2-3 times a week. It is a little inconvenient, but I still get to live where others pay to vacation!!
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Osms
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To quote...
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6/21/2007 1:50:02 PM
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Carnac the Magnificent:
IF YOU ALWAYS DO WHAT YOU ALWAYS DID, YOU'LL ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU ALWAYS GOT!!
Ah, words to live by for some.
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8hcap
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To quote...
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6/21/2007 3:32:56 PM
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You hit the nail on the head osms. I have water year round - 8' deep at the floating dock at winter pool, but what irks me is the failure to recognize and address problems and consider the consequences of a change in policy. Instead - we have to wait until 2013 to address this issue. Until then, we will not put the plug in until 2/19, no matter what.
Now Alabama Power said in a press release that this is the first year in quite some time the lake has not reached full pool. Right - that would be 2006.
If they had thoughtfully considered the situation, we would still be in bad shape but at least APCO would have had some more water to generate with, thereby helping themselves and the economy.
This is what you get when a company is run by a bunch of engineers. Everything is by the book - dam* the consequences.
LTL and Myth - you can come back and tell me how stupid I am and whatever, but that puts you in the category described above.
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Pontoonfisher
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To quote...
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6/21/2007 5:26:18 PM
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Hmmm, let's see, power, current, high voltage, transformers, substations, switchgear, inductors, capacitors, nuclear reactors, generators, motors. Yes that would make perfect sense to put all that in the hands of other occupations rather than engineers. Everyone is railing on APCO when they have no idea on how or why they do what they do (including me) Everyone is making comments based on ignorance.
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| Name: |
Osms
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Ignorance vs stupidity...
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6/21/2007 6:27:37 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong but, wasn't it engineers that allowed Logan Martin to flood boat houses, homes, and the lake by ten feet back in the 80s. Wasn't it engineers that "inadvertently" dumped 2'-3' of extra water out of Lake Lanier last summer. Be very careful with the words ignorance and stupidity--they can be interchangeable and sometimes can even apply to the author.
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PillPipe
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Ignorance vs stupidity...
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6/21/2007 7:08:01 PM
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"wasn't it engineers that allowed Logan Martin to flood boat houses, homes, and the lake by ten feet back in the 80s"
if only they had lowered logan martin more in the winter, then that might not ever have happened. LOL!! Sorry, it was too hard to resist!!
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Osms
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Ignorance vs stupidity...
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6/21/2007 7:26:30 PM
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No that wasn't the issue--the engineers thought they should hold back the flood to prevent flooding downstream. They didn't open the flood gates--if I'm not mistaken APCo paid dearly for that engineering screw up.
In fact that screw up may be our problem now with an archaic winter pool level here. It absolutely is the reason that you can't have a dock directly connected to your house, and why APCo requires a 30 ft setback on APCo lands.
IF YOU ALWAYS DO WHAT YOU ALWAYS DID, YOU'LL ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU ALWAYS GOT.
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LifeTime Laker
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Ignorance vs stupidity...
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6/21/2007 8:27:56 PM
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Ignorance is correctable by education. Stupid is forever.
Was it the engineers that ordered up the record rains that caused that flood. If so why don't they just order us up some NOW. It was also in the 80's (1980 in fact) that Martin Dam OVERFLOWED. Was that the engineers fault too. They had all the flood gates open, yet the water kept coming, and coming, and coming till eventually the water flowed around the dam and washed out the bridge below the dam. Wont do it again though. There is now a 4ft wall to prevent it from happening again. You can see it. Just go to the guard shack and look to the left. That is the same year that Logan Martin got the highest. Hmmm, wonder if the two events are related. Must have been the same group of engineers at both dams.
My opinion of you is going from the ignorance to the stupidity category. It is the WORST DROUGHT IN THE HISTORY OF THE STATE. Get over it. Get a life. Find a hobby. Just quit whining about the dam water level.
Do you tell me, are you ignorant or just stupid!!
And BTW, the two are NOT interchangable.
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LifeTime Laker
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Ever been to Logan Martin dam
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6/21/2007 8:33:13 PM
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I have, many times. IF Logan Martin had risen 10 feet without the gates open it would it would have been overflowing too. Lay lake which is below Logan Martin flooded that year too. How could that be if the engineers held all the water in Logan Martin?
Record rainfalls caused the flood NOT engineers. The same as the record drought this year is causing the low levels.
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Osms
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Logan Martin
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6/21/2007 8:53:52 PM
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I guess all the news reports are incorrect and you are correct. I just happened to cross I-20 right after the lake flooded and read all the reports, because I had a place on Lake Martin at the time and was very interested in just how something like that could happen.
Lay Lake flooded after the Logan Martin engineers corrected their error and dumped the water into Lay Lake, and the Alabama River flooded too.
One thing you haven't told me even though I asked you on a post once. What was the Lake Martin level immediately prior to the heavy rain. What was the date. I don't know, but would like to know.
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jrh3
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Ignorance vs stupidity...
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6/21/2007 9:43:25 PM
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FOREVER IS THE SAME AS LIFETIME
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BiggerDog
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Ignorance vs stupidity...
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6/21/2007 9:48:02 PM
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Hello pot, this is what you get when you give a bunch of old people access to a chat room. The combination of your blue hair and technology is quite comical.
Stick to Bingo - I am sure the other old people will enjoy your ridiculous stories.
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LifeTime Laker
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Logan Martin
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6/21/2007 9:52:52 PM
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Sorry I dont remember the exact date of an event from 27 years ago. I was also paying attention. I lived less than 100 yards from the Coosa River AMD had a place on Martin.
It wasn't a one day event. It was a VERY wet spring. The rains would stop for a few days, the rivers would recede and then another storm system would come through. All the lakes and rivers were swollen to record heights. Look the exact date up yourself if it is that important to you.
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BoatsRFun
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Ignorance vs stupidity...
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6/21/2007 9:54:13 PM
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Don't discourage um' , it's great and by the way IF, IF a frog had wings he would not bump his but, hind site is 20/20. Peace and enjoy what we have it's the best anywhere and lets keep it like that... become a HOBO
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| Name: |
LifeTime Laker
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Ignorance vs stupidity...
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6/21/2007 9:58:21 PM
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I presume that is supposed to refer to my moniker.... hahaha. All you did to me is show the YOU belong in the stupid category. My lifetime, according to actuarial tables will be about 70 years, I think forever will a little longer. You see, unlike you guys, I don't think the world revolves around me, I understand that the world won't stop when I die.
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LifeTime Laker
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My challenge to you.
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6/21/2007 10:05:42 PM
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Find one fact that I have posted that is not accurate. I presume you meant not true by the ridiculous comment. If you think my posts are ridiculous, DON'T READ THEM!! Or refute them. It is easy to sit back and criticize. Try to prove me wrong.
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Osms
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Logan Martin
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6/21/2007 10:36:31 PM
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You told me what I needed to know. Thanks.
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Lakeman
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Ignorance vs stupidity...
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6/22/2007 6:52:06 AM
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Please pass me my " depends ".
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SandyCreekman
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letting Lake down 10 ft
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6/25/2007 8:47:43 AM
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yes, this has been the most extreme of droughts, but if the Lake were let down 5 feet in winter vs. 10 feet, we'd have 5 feet more water now, which is very significant. It troubles me that APCO does not work hard to get permisson to reduce lake levels less during the winter. The flood control arguement does not add up.
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| Name: |
Lakeman
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letting Lake down 10 ft
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6/25/2007 9:22:55 AM
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SandyCreekman be at the ADEM hearing tonight and then join the HOBOs, if you haven't already, and you can start to make a difference.
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LifeTime Laker
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Tell me how...
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6/25/2007 9:45:46 AM
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... the "flood control argument" doesn't hold up.
I am dyaing to hear this one.
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SandyCreekman
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Ive asked APCO and others
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6/25/2007 11:17:10 AM
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and I never get full answers that make much sense. Many other lakes in the country don't have to go down 10 feet, but we keep doing so at Martin. Also, I've never heard why 5 feet is not enough? Is there real data to suggest that flood control can't be managed at a drop to 5 feet? Heck the Lake is full in mid April and typically we get a lot of rain in April and May. They seem to manage flood control quite well at full pool.
Im not down on APCO in general, but the 10 foot thing makes no sense whatsover.
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RidgeRider
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I agree
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6/25/2007 11:20:42 AM
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I've never heard a compelling case made either by them. Why don't they try hard to get COE and FERC approval to at least give us 3 or 4 more feet during the winter......no way the Lake has to go down 10 feet for so caled "flood control." I think that's utter bull.
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SandyCreekman
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Yes, will plan to join
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6/25/2007 11:39:34 AM
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unfortunately I can't attend the meeting tonight. I really appeciate you all being advocates of our interests.
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LifeTime Laker
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Ive asked APCO and others
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6/25/2007 12:20:26 PM
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I agree that with the forecasting and satellite imagery available today that a 5ft drown down would probably be sufficient. But NONE of us have the data that APCO and more importantly The Corps and FERC. I have never seen where APCO is opposed to a 5ft rule but I have also never seen where they are for it either. As I have stated many times, I will not try to second guess them. It is their job to analyze and study the trends, and they look at it from a statewide perspective.
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| Name: |
Lakeman
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Ive asked APCO and others
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6/25/2007 12:44:55 PM
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About 12 years ago APCO sent out a survey and one of the questions was, " how would you feel about the lake being 485 year round ". I never heard the results of the survey. Personally I think 485 is a target for APCO. If they draw down far enough it will be like the price of gas going to $5 a gallon, then $3 a gallon will be cheap.
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