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Council Roc Doc
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APC Guidelines
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9/25/2007 11:53:30 AM
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Reading the APC general guidelines for disposal of foreign materials into the lake, I find that tires fall specifically into that category. With the water levels where they are, more and more tires are showing up exposed on the shoreline. I counted 12 no more that 5 feet beyond a neighbors dock in my vicinity. Is there not a mechanism for notifying APC of excessive tire accumulations on their shoreline and fines if they are not immediately disposed of? If not, all APC needs to do is issue a general warning that they will be inspecting for tire disposal into the lake and will fine you $50 for every tire they find in your vicinity. Could be a revenue generating project for some group if there was a central collection venue.
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Pier Pressure
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APC Guidelines
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9/25/2007 12:21:26 PM
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Are tires being disposed of, or used to pull boat up onto to protect finish?
If they are used to protect boat when beaching I always thought it was OK unless you just left it (which would equate to littering)??
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| Name: |
Council Roc Doc
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APC Guidelines
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9/25/2007 12:27:43 PM
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Most that I have seen in my area have just been dumped to attract fish I would imagine. What an eyesore and poor reflection on what we say we stand for regarding shoreline preservation.
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ecstasypoint
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APC Guidelines
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9/25/2007 1:00:53 PM
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While we are on the topic of tires, I would like to gently appeal to everyone to think a little more about all the trash that is dumped into the lake. (I mentioned this a few weeks ago and was told that only 1 percent of lake users dump trash.) Everyday diapers and bottles and all kinds of trash wash up on the shoreline by my house. It is a popular area, and used widely as a recreational area by many people. We need solid rules to prevent this kind of abuse of the waterway. Also, those who fish may need to rethink old ways of attracting fish. Now that we can see the tires and the Christmas trees everywhere, it's no so nice. In general, we all need to start getting a little less selfish with what we, individually, want from the lake.
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Lakeman
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APC Guidelines
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9/25/2007 1:09:47 PM
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I agree 100% that tires don't need to be in the lake. They emit chemicals that can harm the environment. Trees are another subject. I have helped APCo put trees in for years. Trees contribute to the life of and in the lake. Now that the water is being drawn down they will be exposed and they don't have the esthetic look that live trees do but when the water comes back up we won't be able to see them anymore and they can continue to do the job they were put there to do.
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Would it not be a testament to what we wish to preserve if we used this unprecedented water tragedy as an opportunity for unprecedented clean-up. I'm not a tree-hugger but I can imagine your frustration.
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Lakeman
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APC Guidelines
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9/25/2007 1:24:56 PM
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What an opportunity this presents. This could be the lake cleanup of enormous proportions.
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Especially if it goes down another 10 feet.
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Name it the LM "From the Bottom-Up Project". HOBO Executive committee are you listening?!
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Spot Remover
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APC Guidelines
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9/25/2007 2:03:14 PM
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Leave the trees as they are. They are very beneficial to the aquatic life of the lake, and not just a place for fishing.
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| Name: |
Pier Pressure
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Speaking of trees...
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9/25/2007 2:10:20 PM
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When they built the lake they were worried about trees floating downstream and blocking the turbines. Now they have no problem with dumping christmas trees?
I like seeing the trees, because they do provide habitat for marine life.
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8hcap
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APC Guidelines
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9/25/2007 2:43:09 PM
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My place is on the sw end of the lake and I just do not see that much trash and try to pick it up when i am able. I sure do not ever see diapers or the like. Sounds like we need some real patrolling and enforcement of anti-litter laws in your area of the lake.
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ecstasypoint
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APC Guidelines
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9/25/2007 2:50:10 PM
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I agree that it would be superb if we could use this "unprecedented tragedy" for some good. While I am strongly in favor of an unprecedented clean up, I think the greater good would be a change in attitude, that people would begin to realize that the lake is not a vast, limitless resource in which we can do whatever we like, whatever we have always done. A real triumph would be to no longer need to organize cleanups every year to take care of the trash we have dumped. And btw, I am not a tree hugger either. These labels folks tend to attach to everything smack of an inability to listen and to consider without judgment. This seems like a good time to consider people's viewpoints since we are in the midst of change, whether we like it or not.
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Lakeman
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9/25/2007 2:53:05 PM
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You got my support. I also clean up the highway leading to and from the lake.
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We are in a location with very few litter problems, but who knows what we will see at 470.....I hope we have time to clean up and add another 30 feet to the boat ramp all in the same day!
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Well said EP. I just can't imagine dumping used tires into this pristine resource for any reason. They should be removed while we have the chance but I don't see anyone making any voluntary effort without it affecting their wallet significantly (unfortunately). It certainly has to become a mindset. Maybe the lack of water will cause us to want to preserve it's quality more than we have when we do get it back.
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8hcap
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I agree, 8
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9/25/2007 4:22:12 PM
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I will help - looks like i might need to get the center console out after all if the dire predictions come true. I might also be albe to find the 8' curved aluminum shaft off my umbrella, which went overboard this spring!!!
By the way, I think the APCO regs limit boat ramps to 50'. Will you fall in that category?
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I think 50' is about where another 25-30' will put me, but I haven't measured it exactly. Actually, I probably won't need to go that far to get what I need for future use.
If you need help getting the boat out, let me know.....we may be able to pull it out from the beach with my tractor if all the ramps all go dry.
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Feb
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9/25/2007 5:54:25 PM
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Hey jlazc, It is very neighborly of you to offer to help 8. Does your tractor have a jet engine(s) and after burners or whatever you pilots call them there things? Might be able to fling it like a catapult. LOL
I remember just a few short months ago, many of us were talking about vaious new poontoon boats and the ratings by all the various consumer reports. Mav was lucky to get his test drive in.
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just a 3 stroke diesel with 4wd, but it gets the job done.
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8hcap
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9/25/2007 6:19:26 PM
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feb,
Did you ever see the episode of Norhtern Exposure where the dj wanted to fling a cow and instead they built a catapult that flung a piano. It was really cool.
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They also catapulted a man in a coffin into the lake for his final resting place. Good show.
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I remember that.....I'll could help you fling it too; My youngest engineer wannabe son (Chris) would also be thrilled to help.
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of the squirrel problem we discussed last year
URL: Squirrel Catapult
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waterbaby
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APC Guidelines
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9/25/2007 8:57:06 PM
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We have a tire exposed this year that the previous owners must have dumped. We will drag it out this winter and dispose of it PROPERLY. We have a home in a high traffic area and receive coolers, beer bottles, flotation devices and paddle boats in front of our house each summer. Usually if we cannot dispose of this trash, the wake pulls it back out in the channel and the next day it is gone. We do as much while we are there to keep the trash off our shore, but I agree, the boaters need to keep their trash to themselves!
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MartiniMan
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Tires in the Water
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9/26/2007 9:10:04 AM
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I wanted to correct some misinformation in the forum about tires. First of all, they are an eyesore and any disposal of tires in the lake would be littering. It is possible that a portion of the tires may have gotten there as a result of past practices (i.e., used for bumpers on docks, etc.).
As for the potential to leach chemicals that is incorrect. I have significant experience assessing soild and hazardous waste landfills (municipal and industrial) and have worked on facilities where tires were manufactured and disposed. Tires are composed overwhelmingly of carbon, a natural substance. They contain trace amounts of metals and other substances but are for the most part inert.
Tires have and continue to be used in many applications such as creating artificial reefs, ground up and used to make playground padding and walkways, etc, Simply put, they are an eyesore and they should not be liiegally disposed in the lake, but posts that talk about chemical dangers are incorrect.
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| Name: |
Lakeman
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Tires in the Water
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9/26/2007 10:09:58 AM
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Having worked in a tire plant for 32 years we had a test we ran called " solvent retention ". That means how long does the solvent stay in the tire. That means that they know that it escapes into the environment over a period of time. Now tire manufacturing facilities are going more to artificial ingredients. The carbon black used in the tires is nothing more than " smut " and is used as a binder. I could go on and on but it would become redundant. The simple fact is the pollutants released from tires is just a slower process of contamination. Very little about a tire is biodegradable.
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| Name: |
MartiniMan
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Tires in the Water
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9/26/2007 1:39:17 PM
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I know the processes have changed over the years and I think the concerns of the far past are no longer an issue. I forgot to mention the rubber that goes into the tires which is also a natural substance (although in recent years the manufacturers have switched to synthetic rubber). All I can tell you is that I have analyzed tire debris for volatile organic compounds, semi-volatile organic compounds, metals, pesticides, PCBs, etc. using USEPA-approved methods to parts per billion and parts per million range. I have also analyzed the actual oils that they use in the tire manufacturing process using the same highly sensitive analytical techniques and I stand by my characterization of tires. This experience covers 20 years of experience in the environmental industry.
My point is that the tires are a nuisance and an eyesore but are not a potential source of chemicals to the environment that would be of concern. I for one would be glad to participate in a cleanup if I can swing it. By the way, what plant did you work at? Just curious as I have worked at a bunch of facilities in the southeast and was wondering if we were at the same plant at the same time.
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| Name: |
Lakeman
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Tires in the Water
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9/26/2007 2:07:26 PM
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I worked at Uniroyal. Are you working now or retired?
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Council Roc Doc
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Tires in the Water
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9/27/2007 10:01:59 AM
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If we were to find a common collection point, do any of you know of an organization willing to haul and recycle these tires?
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| Name: |
MartiniMan
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Tires in the Water
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9/27/2007 10:39:02 AM
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Yes unfortunately. I am CEO of a national environmental consulting firm that does a lot of work on tire plants (compliance and assessment/remediation), landfills, pulp & paper, etc. If you had $20MM it can be all yours. I'll forward the wiring instructions. :-)
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| Name: |
Lakeman
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| Subject: |
Tires in the Water
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9/27/2007 11:52:24 AM
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Usually tire businesses dispose of tires but they charge you. Might be a plan but it will cost a little.
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