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Nutin Bitein
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Removal of the dirt bars
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9/26/2007 4:24:07 PM
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Has anyone looked into having these dirt bars removed? Not all but the ones out int he middle of open water. most are bare and have no structure to hold fish. It seems that if the lake goes to record lows it would be a great time to flatten them out. Is this something the HOBO group could cares about?
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LifeTime Laker
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Call me AT&T
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9/26/2007 4:53:48 PM
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Cuz I am in favor of 'more bars in more places".....lol
What about Sand Island? Has anyone heard any more on saving it?
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Hawks Nest
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Removal of the dirt bars
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9/26/2007 4:55:42 PM
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I asked a similar question to the forum on 8/16 but only received "joke" replies. I think this is a good topic and would also like to see something done if possible.
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| Name: |
Nutin Bitein
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Removal of the dirt bars
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9/26/2007 5:36:02 PM
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It would be nice. I don't even know if it is on the list for the relicensing of the dam. We can't make it rain to fill the lake up. That is a waste of time taking about something we can't control. boating and boating saftey. We should have a say so. Removing the dirt bars would make the lake safer. And this is a great year to do it. Record low water levels.
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Maverick
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Sand Island
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9/26/2007 5:51:14 PM
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Thought I had posted this, but maybe not.
The below is an Email I sent back on July 30th to a HOBO member who inquired about Sand Island.
Just spoke with XXXXXXXXXXXX regarding Sand Island and here is an update.
Russell Lands has agreed to supply the boulders to front Sand Island. They really would like to do this once and not just place another bandage, as has been done in the past. So what the issue is now is how to get the boulders over to the island, as with the current water level they cannot get a barge over to the island. So right now project is on hold.
Supposedly, others have tried rip rap, sand bags and even a wood sea wall, but all have failed and so Russell does not want to go this route and have to fix again in 5 years or so.
Anyway, appears the project is sitting idle till somebody figures out a way to get the boulders and excavator over to the island at the current water level or the water rises to allow such.
FYI - Russell Lands owns Sand Island per APCo.
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PC Al
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Sand Island
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9/26/2007 6:03:20 PM
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What about getting Lake Martin Dock Company to use one of their barges? You are almost going to have to operate any type of mobile equipment from a barge anyway. There is not enough room left on the island to put a piece of equipment without tearing up what is left. LMDCo. would get a lot of good PR. They could be approached to see what they would charge, which would hopefully be at a good discount. They can't be using their barges many places now anyway.
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Maverick
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PC Think You Missed This Part
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9/26/2007 6:11:59 PM
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"as with the current water level they cannot get a barge over to the island. So right now project is on hold. "
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8hcap
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Removal of the dirt bars
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9/26/2007 6:23:32 PM
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I suspect the volume of dirt and rock in these bars will be overwhelming and thus cost prohibitive.
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Hawks Nest
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Removal of the dirt bars
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9/26/2007 6:26:09 PM
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Maybe not "remove" the dirt/rocks, but spread them out.
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MythBuster
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Removal of the dirt bars
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9/26/2007 6:29:43 PM
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A couple of things to consider before getting too gung-ho:
1) The dirt bars don't have to HAVE structure to BE structure; removing them would definitely be detrimental to the fish.
2) removing big solid masses (the dirt bars) from the lake means that the lake would hold more water; this means that it would take more water to fill it up. And if we're having trouble filling it NOW...
Old-time posters used to talk about how it seemed as if the powers-that-be were intent on turning the lake into a giant swimming pool; they were talking about lining the shore with sea walls, but I think leveling the lake bed would be an even bigger step in that unfortunate direction.
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| Name: |
Hawks Nest
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Removal of the dirt bars
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9/26/2007 7:08:27 PM
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While I'm certainly not a big fan of changing nature, the changes I'm thinking about are very minor (in my humble opinion). I'm most familiar with the Blue Creek area of the lake and those dirt bars b/t Still Water and Chucks deter many boats closer to the edges of the lake, surely causing more erosion on the shoreline. Blowing a couple of feet off the tops of off these dirt bars with some dynamite wouldn't be too detrimental to the wildlife, would it? No dirt would have to be removed and thus no extra water required.
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MythBuster
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Removal of the dirt bars
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9/26/2007 7:45:51 PM
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The post I responded to included the phrases "dirt bars removed," "the ones out in the middle of open water," and "flatten them out." This sounds considerably different from what you propose.
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Hawks Nest
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Removal of the dirt bars
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9/26/2007 7:58:59 PM
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Understood. So, is my thinking practicle, or am I way off base? There may never be (I hope) a better time to shift some dirt.
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Lakeman
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Removal of the dirt bars
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9/26/2007 8:01:36 PM
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Nutin I think it would put too much stress on an already stressed lake. Under normal circumstances this would be december and the majority of the people on the lake would be fishermen and gamewardens. People that normally use the lake this time of the year won't see these structures. People should learn the lake under all situations and avoid the hazards. I agree we should have a say so on boating and safety.
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Hawks Nest
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Removal of the dirt bars
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9/26/2007 8:03:17 PM
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Spell checker error.
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| Name: |
Hadenuff
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Removal of the dirt bars
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9/26/2007 9:06:14 PM
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If the lake returns to the normal level, would the removal of these dirt bars be as important? I guess I'm thinking of summer levels so what's your thoughts?
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PC Al
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Sand Island
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9/26/2007 9:43:37 PM
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Sorry, but I did see that part. Thought they were talking about their barge. Maybe LMD has all of their barges grounded too, but I was thinking they may have one or two free. As far as the depth on three side of Sand Island, you could get a battleship close in that area of Big Kowaliga Creek.
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| Name: |
Hawks Nest
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Removal of the dirt bars
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9/26/2007 10:50:11 PM
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I can only speak on the bars in the Blue Creek area. My experience has been that when the lake is at a normal summer range, boats still go around the group of dirt bars, thus closer to the shoreline. Being a fisherman, I enjoy the lake in the winter too so these bars probably concern me a little more than others,...maybe not. I suppose I think of them more now because they are so much more visable. I would still rather light up a few sticks and feel at ease when boating. There are some stumps I would like to take out too.
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| Name: |
Nutin Bitein
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Removal of the dirt bars
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9/27/2007 11:46:41 AM
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The Blue Creek area is a good example. There are 5 or 6 bouys out there in one area. I know when water is down a few feet to follow the river channel and go around the whole mess. But, its a big area now that water is down more there are more points showing up. The channel around the dirt bars is 65-70 feet deep. If they pushed the rock and chert into the channel the whole area would be safer in the summer months and still be visable in winter months. If a sunken island is 3 ft below water or 9 ft it will still hold fish. With current flows being so low silt should settle quickly. There are about 10 areas on the lake like this that I know of, we should identify them. We are only speeding up what will happen over the next 100 years? These dirt bars where islands in the begining.
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| Name: |
Hawks Nest
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Removal of the dirt bars
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9/27/2007 1:48:34 PM
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I think dynamite is the answer. Inexpensive, little equipment, and quick.
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| Name: |
JIM
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Removal of the dirt bars
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9/27/2007 1:55:30 PM
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YEAH, WATCH THIS BUBBA.
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Feb
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Removal of the dirt bars
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9/27/2007 2:10:34 PM
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JIM is right. You have to be qualified as a "Master Blaster" to use the stuff. Also, remember to holler "Fire in the Hole" thee times before blowing yourself up.
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| Name: |
Nutin Bitein
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Removal of the dirt bars
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9/27/2007 2:31:15 PM
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I get to be Roadrunner.... Who wants to be the coyote?
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