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gofish
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private property
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2/16/2008 3:17:42 PM
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Lake Martin belongs to everyone to enjoy. Private property, however, should be respected by those who use the lake. This morning a fisherman used our swim dock to work on his motor (or whatever--not sure exactly) and left two large pool of motor oil on the dock. This happened while we were out for a walk--not more than an hour. The man was fishing beside our dock when we left for the walk and was gone when we returned. We were in shock that anyone would have the nerve to come onto private property, make a mess and then leave. It makes us think twice about leaving anything of value on our own dock.
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If the dock is beyond 490, it belongs to the power co, and can be used by anyone on the lake. but that don't mean its ok to trash someones pier. I have even had seats ripped in my boat from fishermen miscasting and trying to retrieve the lures.Would have loved to have caught them.
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Osms
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2/16/2008 9:43:25 PM
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Legally the dirt below the 490' line belongs to APCo. They approve your dock on their dirt and give you an easement so that you can build. The dock belongs to you and you are taxed for it as an improvement.
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Feb
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Exactly !
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2/16/2008 9:45:02 PM
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you do get taxed, but the pier isnt an easement its there by permit. This winter, I removed one of my docks and had to have a permit to remove it, just as if I didn't own it in the first place.
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Lakeman
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2/17/2008 1:15:27 AM
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You can't stop people from fishing around your pier but when they step on your pier they are trespassing.
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you still own the dock, you just need the permit to place , move, or change it on APC controlled property.
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Smitty
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private property
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2/17/2008 7:56:38 AM
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Thisisn't a legal issue; it's an issue of courtesy.....if someone oils up my doc, I'm not going to the lawbooks to take care of it.
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| Name: |
Osms
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Me too!!!
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2/17/2008 8:12:40 AM
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| Name: |
Flash
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private property
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2/17/2008 11:52:37 AM
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The dock is yours to use, enjoy & maintain period. Use by anyone else should be by invitation or permission. read by above reply on the railroad trestle incident. The train took care of part of my problem........
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I couldn't agree more.I wouldn't do it to someone elses dock,and I wish everyone was as courtious. But there are still people who think they own the entire place.
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longtimer
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private property
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2/17/2008 1:42:39 PM
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It was discourteous of them to leave pools of motor oil on your dock. They should have cleaned up after themselves, and maybe they are planning to; if they're anything like me they don't carry a lot of cleaning supplies in their fishing boat.
I hope I never attain the mindset that allows me to be upset with someone who is in distress. Pools of oil can't signify anything positive; obviously these guys had some sort of mechanical problem. It's too bad that solving it soiled a small part of your pier; on the other hand, you could think of "the other guy" and be thankful that you were, in some way, there to help.
Engine problems are never fun, and fixing them is always a messy affair. But being able to get them fixed is always preferable to paddling, or to towing your boat behind you while you swim. There was a time when you knew that someone would come along and rescue you; it seems strange now, but even though there are more people and more boats on the water, the number who will go out of their way to save your day has gotten smaller. I guess many of them don't want to do anything that might get their boats, or their hands-- or their docks-- dirty.
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ppointman
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private property
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2/17/2008 3:15:33 PM
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It's a sad situation. The vast majority or the fishermen on the lake are courteous outdoorsmen. However I have noticed over the past few years an increase of people that have little respect for the lake or other people. We have a beautiful lake with many miles of undeveloped shoreline. There are more and more people that would rather sit off the edge of people's piers and fish the tree tops that we place in the water than to get out and enjoy the outdoors or ever better get up off their lazy cans and make some fish shelter for their use. It was probably too much work for them to beach their boat and not oil up your pier.
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LifeTime Laker
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private property
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2/17/2008 5:38:30 PM
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Come on longtimer, you know this guy was just waiting on them to go for thier walk so he could have the opportunity to change his oil on thier dock!! It is so much easier to do it that way than at home in the comfort of your own garage.<sarcasm off>
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| Name: |
gofish
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2/17/2008 9:53:10 PM
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You are making an assumption that they were in distress. You are also assuming that they were "victims" and you imply that we are not kindhearted because we didn't like coming home to find large oil spills on our dock. Surely even you carry a rag or two in your boat--they could have at least attempted to wipe up some of the mess. I wish I could be as wonderful and kind as you seem to be. Would you like to post your cell phone number so that whenever anyone needs help they can just call you?
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Pier Pressure
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private property
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2/18/2008 1:51:16 PM
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About 4 years ago my family and another family got caught on the water during a pretty nasty storm (4th of July weekend). I couldn't see 20 feet. I had my family get out of the rain into the cuddie, but my buddies boat was a bowrider and they had nowhere to go. We pulled up to the first dock we came to and another boat was already there. It was a large dock. I asked them if it were their dock and their reply was "It's ours until the rain slows" with a smile. We tied off momentarily until the rain slowed down a little and we were off agian. What would you say to people coming to your dock to get away from danger? I also had an experience where my battery cable was just loose enough that the engine shut off and wouldn't start. It took me 30 minutes or so to realize it, and by that time I had drifted onto someones dock. These things happen. I wonder what the rule is as far as right-of-way. Of course you build and maintain it so there is ownership rights, but since it is over public water surely there is a legal standing somewhere. Does anyone know of the law which mentions this?
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| Name: |
ot
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2/18/2008 2:31:43 PM
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if someone is unfortunate enough to have to use someone else's dock due to distress of some sort they "should" leave it in the same or better condition.
i too would have been upset about oil being on my dock. those are stains that won't come out!
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| Name: |
Pier Pressure
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2/18/2008 2:38:38 PM
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I agree 100% with that statement. The person should have returned with an offer to replace the affected boards.
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Feb
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2/18/2008 2:47:09 PM
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Agree ot. Anyone is welcome to tie up to my dock in case of an emergency situation or a storm.
I am not sure what was going on, but I do not thiink most motors really have any oil to spill unless it was a very large 4 stroke. There is gear lube.
It almost sounds like someone was mixing oil and gas in their tank and spilled oil. This is not to even consider what was possibly spilled in the Lake.
There are no excuses or justification for this happening.
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| Name: |
gofish
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2/18/2008 4:31:02 PM
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Thanks for the support. If anyone was caught on the lake in bad weather, we would not only be happy for them to tie up to our dock, but would invite them in to wait out the storm. What this man did, however, was rude. For those of you who were concerned about his welfare--he did not come back to attempt to help with the clean up of the oil. Maybe he couldn't remember where he was!
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| Name: |
ppointman
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2/18/2008 8:46:54 PM
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You have every right to be ticked. Some of the posts are making assumptions that the guy was a poor stranded soul. Nobody knows for sure but just in case heres a different theory. The jerk probably slung a rod when he ran up to your pier at 40 miles per hour and killed the motor. Nobody reasonable is going to turn away somebody stranded. You were there when he was fishing, why didn't he get permission then?
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