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Nutin Bitein
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Who asked for the boat bill ??
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3/27/2008 1:20:50 PM
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How did this get started??? Didnt a large group of people have to sign a petition?
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AnchorbayDon
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Who asked for the boat bill ??
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3/27/2008 1:37:35 PM
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The bill was introduced by some legislator who was trying to keep houseboats off of lake Harris - before you know it, they were going statewide then after some arm twisting, they limited it only to Harris, Martin, etc.
The only petitions were against it (& by the thousands), but the money people (Russell and APCO) used their money, influence & lobbyists to buy enough of the legislature to get it passed. Individuals have no rights in Alabama, only the big money people!
The law is so vague that the Marine Police even held off trying to enforce it until the appeal was over. Who knows how they will ever be able to enforce the grandfathering at this point.
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Blue Creeker
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Only the big money...
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3/27/2008 1:41:58 PM
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...people?
Well, wouldn't the folks with the big ol' boats fall into that catagory?
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MythBuster
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Only the big money...
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3/27/2008 4:08:22 PM
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"Well, wouldn't the folks with the big ol' boats fall into that (people with big money) category?"
One would think so! However, I guess one way to define "someone with big money" is as "someone with more money than I." And if everybody uses this definition....
As far as Pro-Boat Ban Petitions, I don't know of any. However, I know of many people who wrote to the appropriate people, expressing their SUPPORT of the ban. And if people who post on this forum are to be believed, a lot of them were also in favor of the bill. To declare that only "Russell Lands, APCO and 'Big Money" people are in favor of it is wrong.
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Pier Pressure
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Only the big money...
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3/27/2008 4:55:30 PM
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There were people in favor of the bill. Some home owners joined the State, and the Power Company on the lawsuit. But you can take my word for it, if it were brought up for vote, it wouldn't have passed!
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Pier Pressure
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Only the big money...
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3/27/2008 4:56:22 PM
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See, no name calling... I can agree to disagree and still have respect for "The other side"... I don't see that for the pro ban croud...
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MythBuster
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Only the big money...
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3/27/2008 6:41:09 PM
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I must have missed the part where I called you-- or anyone else-- out for name-calling.
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Blue Creeker
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I'd imagine if it...
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3/27/2008 8:27:59 PM
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...were up for a vote (by Lake users and especially home owners)...it'd be overwhelmingly for the ban.
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BoatsRFun
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I'd imagine if it...
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3/27/2008 9:21:35 PM
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WRONG
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AnchorbayDon
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I'd imagine if it...
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3/27/2008 9:32:12 PM
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We all can imagine one way or the other, but the fact is that none of us living on and owning businesses on the lake ever got a chance to vote on the issue. Lots of people had a casual or emotional interest it in the legislation without fully understanding all of the real issues involved.
Most of the people with the cabin cruisers are not wealthy and having a boat on the lake was the only way for them to afford a presence on the lake.
Money controlled the process, not votes.
If anybody thinks their vote counts for anything, they are very out of touch!
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Pier Pressure
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Only the big money...
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3/27/2008 9:35:08 PM
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Sorry Myth, wasn't directed specifically at you...
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JohnGalt
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I'd imagine if it...
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3/27/2008 9:47:49 PM
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Well said
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CAT BOAT
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I'd imagine if it...
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3/27/2008 10:07:33 PM
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Well said ... I know we enjoyed coming there. Did not try to hurt anyone, and visited friends and Marinas. We are a little down for the moment, but will be back. Heck, I have a lot more of you guys we need to meet! Now, lets' see how we can make the Cat leagle......
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I totally agree. This may be an issue, but the real problems were not addressed.
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Blue Creeker
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How so?
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3/27/2008 11:44:45 PM
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Do you have some concrete info of how people all over the lake might have voted if they had a chance?
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Summer Lover
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Who asked for the boat bill ??
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3/29/2008 11:08:38 AM
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Long time reader, first time post, and been enjoying Lake Martin since 1972. There has been an incredible amount of change on the lake in the past 35 years, and not all of it has been good. Remember however, a variation of a quote by Martin Niemoller:
"First they came for the big boats, and I did not speak out -
because I did not have a big boat.
Then they came for the fast boats, and I did not speak out -
because I did not have a fast boat.
Then they came for the wakeboard boats, and I did not speak out -
because I did not have a wakeboard boat.
Then they came for the bass boats, and I did not speak out -
because I did not have a bass boat.
Then they came for my boat - and there was no one left to speak for me."
Watch out guys, this is a slippery slope.
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fountain
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Who asked for the boat bill ??
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3/29/2008 11:14:26 AM
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You are exactly right--The door has been opened.
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fountain
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Who asked for the boat bill ??
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3/29/2008 11:14:34 AM
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You are exactly right--The door has been opened.
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Hadenuff
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Who asked for the boat bill ??
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3/29/2008 5:35:23 PM
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You are so right, this ban will not be the last one for boaters on Lake Martin. What a shame!!!
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jalcz
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Who asked for the boat bill ??
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3/29/2008 6:27:12 PM
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Anyone who has tried to cruise Lake Martin in a normal-sized boat knows that their boats have effectively been "banned" for several years. Maybe once the "LOOK AT ME! "I'M COMPENSATING FOR MY SHORTCOMINGS!" boats are gone for good, the people who boat because they love the lake, and not because they want to be seen and admired for their boats, will be able to enjoy the lake once again.
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Summer Lover
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Who asked for the boat bill ??
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3/29/2008 9:28:28 PM
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We have an 18 foot boat that will make 50 mph on a good day. Our concern is that tomorrow that will be "too much speed" for the lake. This is like gun control - ban a little at a time, and no one will be bothered until all are banned. This boat ban is arbitrary and illogical.
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Ulysses E. McGill
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Who asked for the boat bill ??
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3/29/2008 10:19:36 PM
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my dyslexic friend gets confused at times.....and your post was right on. Boats are not the problem; certain users of all sizes of boats are a problem.
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Lakeman
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Who asked for the boat bill ??
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3/30/2008 9:48:58 AM
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Control of the users does not make R.L. money.
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Summer Lover
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Who asked for the boat bill ??
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3/30/2008 11:38:38 AM
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If you take away the option of having a boat that you can stay a weekend or longer and entertain a few guests on comfortably, do you not think more people will buy lakefront property? Let’s take a look at who the two largest property owners of that property are…. This bill is not about erosion, or the wakeboard boats would be banned as would operating any planning hull just below planning speeds. It is not about the discharge of sewage, or the bill would ban those boats that DO NOT have a head – sorry folks, if I am on the water and feel the need, I am jumping overboard and using the fishes’ restroom. It is not about traffic volume, the big boats seem to spend most of their time moored or at The Rock. It is not about safety, I have seen far more dangerous operation by people in smaller boats and PWC than those on a go-fast. That seems to bring us back to my original premise – that money is the reason for this bill.
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Lakeman
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Who asked for the boat bill ??
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3/30/2008 1:29:13 PM
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As head said, its the " GOLDEN RULE ".
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CAT BOAT
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Who asked for the boat bill ??
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3/30/2008 8:53:32 PM
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You are my new best friend.
Steve aka. Cat boat.
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| Name: |
Summer Lover
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Who asked for the boat bill ??
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3/31/2008 7:38:22 AM
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Spot on Lakeman, like most legislation, this bill is money driven. I am afraid that those expecting a return to a serene lake will be sadly disappointed. Rather than using this forum to dispute the relative merits of our government regulating our recreation, we could be discussing more important issues. Like the proper temperature and pressure for draught beer – I have good luck running at 30 degrees and 12 psi (and yes, I know; too cold and too much pressure), or air-entrapment vs. V-hull – and I already know what side of the sandbox CAT scratches in.
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Mack
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Perhaps a Schrushy Cigarette
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3/31/2008 8:09:15 PM
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Maybe some of you have never had the experience of an Offshore 35/40 foot Cigarette Boat passing your dock at 60/70MPH at all hours. No mufflers.
Happened for years until jail intervened.
Also, one six-seater seaplane, one twelve-seater seaplane, one 35 foot trawler, and one extravagant "Castle" that trumped everything else on LM, hands down. All at one "Lake Place".
Yep, it was a "Money Thing", you bet.
Don't like arbitrary legislation or controls at all.
Don't like people who are inconsiderate of my feelings either.
Like very much "Lake People" who are considerate, safe, friendly and traditional "Lake People". Also like Lakers who don't own property, but visit by boat, and are considerate.
Legislation usually comes about through pressure on MR.X in the Senate thru Mr.Y who is a friend, who can see some benefit for re-election.
Thus, the dilemma over big boats.
The original thread asked, Who Asked for It?
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| Name: |
river-rat
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Perhaps a Schrushy Cigarette
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4/1/2008 9:17:43 AM
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If you wish to help protect your rights, go to the following site and discover how to participate - as they may be coming after you next.
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183022
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river-rat
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Perhaps a Schrushy Cigarette
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4/1/2008 9:25:53 AM
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If you wish to help protect your rights, go to the following site and discover how to participate - as they may be coming after you next.
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183022
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| Name: |
Summer Lover
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Perhaps a Schrushy Cigarette
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4/1/2008 10:12:30 PM
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Mack,
I understand how you feel, back in the late ‘70’s I would take my 12 foot aluminum boat from Sandy Creek to The Rock to sightsee, to Hawaii Island to grill venison burgers for lunch, and to Blue Creek to fish. It was not however the big/fast boats that took that away from me; it was the amount of boat traffic. Back then we could fish the coves and shallows across the slough from The Cabin, have a great time, and throw some fish on the grill. Now, the shoreline is ringed with houses and piers. As much as I long for “the good old days”, it is not fair for me to deny people some of the joys I have experienced on Lake Martin. What you describe as nuisances are not the boats, but the boat operators. We all hope for more considerate people on the lake, but there is no way that we can legislate it. If I do not like the drone of bass boats at dawn and wake battering my pier, do we ban two cycle motors, and boats capable of creating wake more than ten inches high? I fear that this ban is a precedent that will be followed by others. I hope I am wrong.
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Aussie77
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Who asked for the boat bill ??
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4/8/2008 10:53:18 PM
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You have obviously never owned a larger boat or even experienced a ride on one. I get your thinking.....someone's boat preference to what meets their needs means they are shallow and fake, right? What??? So you live in an apartment and drive a 10 year old astrovan? Right? There is nothing wrong with that situation and it is doable but maybe a 3 bedroom home with a yard and a newer ford escape would fit your family needs better? We have a very large family with lots of different needs. Grandparents that like to be able to get out of the sun but still want to be involved. A nephew with many disabilities that needs his meds refrigerated. Young kids that need a place to go to the bathroom while out on the water. A baby that needs an air conditioned place to take a nap. All these and other NEEDS! Even though we have had a great lake home for years and have other boating options nothing is quite like the flexibility and fun of the cruiser. Whether it is with family, guests or just my husband and I taking a evening boat ride or cooking out together and sleeping under the stars in a deserted cove one night. That is the beauty of the boating world! It is about a passion for the water! Whether you like high octane like skiing or tubing or prefer the lazy days of summer floating around on your boat. That is your choice...and I hope you are not making your choices especially financial ones based on what "looks good" or what others think. Those that can afford or just choose to have something bigger does not mean they are showing off or are too poor to own land. Boats bigger than the new law are far from cheap to own or maintain.
I love Lake Martin and love to share it with friends and family from around the world. I think it is a shame that those from around the country can not trailer their boat to beautiful lake martin and enjoy our wonderful Southern charm and great boating community!
I for one think it is a lot more of a nuisance and a bigger danger with all of the Jetski's and Seadoo's whizzing around. They are worse for the shoreline, bad on environmental factors, unless new (not a 2 stroke) they leak gas into our beautiful water, have the biggest percentage of tickets and accidents per volume and have the youngest and most inexperienced drivers in the boating world. Many lakes and rivers have banned them others have severe restrictions and more have additional certification required for driving them. But guess what? Have a couple and LOVE them!! Another opportunity to explore our passion for the water. I don't appreciate BIG business regulating my free time! I believe with any ownership comes responsibility. Yes, it would be great if everyone thought that way and drove responsibly and was always courteous...but they are not. There are laws already in place to keep OUR Lake Martin safe. Accountability and responsibility is our biggest problem, enforcement of the current laws the other problem. Banning big boats, fast boats, fishing boats, pontoon boats or PWC's are not going to change that!
Good Boating!
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