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KARIS PARK
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4/28/2008 4:44:47 PM
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Karis Park should have been built on I 85 Just south of the Atlanta Airport where other ugly and cheap homes are priced in the 140's. I use to see American Eagles flying over that once beautiful parcel of land before it became Karis Park. American Eagles can no longer be seen. At first I thought it was because of the total desecration of their natural habitat but then I realized they left because of their eagel vision. The only thing I see flying overhead now are buzzards. Maybe they are trying to tell us something.
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Bob
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KARIS PARK
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4/28/2008 5:59:13 PM
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It is the worst abomination on the lake and they still have not sold a single home...no seawall...no docks approved...heinous homes...environmental horror. I drive by everytime I go to the Rock and it gets worse each time...
Well, at least it appears that they are going to lose millions....
Prepare to be slammed for your opinion here.... :)
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| Name: |
Pier Pressure
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KARIS PARK
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4/28/2008 6:28:21 PM
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It must be nice to have enough money to be able to make all the decisions on how lake property must be used. I personally think that Bama park detracts from the visual appeal of the lake. BUT, I do not blame people for taking advantage of whatever they can afford in order to experience the lake. In fact, I probably wouldn't mind having a trailer there myself to use on occasion.
Wonder why they don't have permits to build seawalls/docks. Since they don't have the word Russell somewhere in their corporate name, there shouldn't be any guess as to why not.
Why is it that all of the sudden in order to be "accepted" by a vocal majority of the lake home owners you must pay 300k for a lot, and put at least a 500k home on it?
We should propose to our State Representatives that an ammendment be made to allow for ease of public access to the lake. In other words, there should be a State Park on the South to South East side of the lake. "Zoning" which is coming will effectively force the majority of citizens in this state from having access to the lake. By access I mean having overnight or weekly access, such as a camp ground or other PUBLIC access and use area. A family shouldn't have to be blessed with a large income in order to experience the lake. They also shouldn't have to drive the extra 40 miles to a place on the water where they are so far away from businesses such as the restaurants on the south end of the lake... But, of course that is how the VOCAL majority seem want it... Golden Rule #1...
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dmp
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KARIS PARK
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4/28/2008 6:37:19 PM
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PP :
I'm not sure what public access has to do with the horrible situation at Karis Park. This has nothing to do with money -- it has everything to do with responsible development that protects the beauty of the lake
Of course the lake needs public access but the lake also, unfortunately, needs some zoning laws to prevent atrocities like Karis Park.
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Actually PP you are kind wrong on one point only and that is the public access. In order to be relicensed in 2013 the FERC is going to require additional public access on that side of the lake. I am not sure where it will be, but it will happen. Just as DARE park came to be at the last relicensing. I agree it is sorely needed. A friend and I were having this very discussion just yesterday while watching the eagles. Everywhere you look now there are NO CAMPING signs. I would like to see areas open for primitive camping by permit. The permit would be a way of making sure that folks took their trash with them instead of leaving behind for folks liek me to clean up.
On every other point I agree with you though. The 'working man' can't afford to live here anymore. It's a shame too becuase so many other things leave with him.....
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Bob
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KARIS PARK
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4/28/2008 7:54:57 PM
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Guys, I actually agree that more public access is great. Another DARE park would not bother me and I love LTL's idea about primitive camping. I also don't care how much they charge for the Karis Park homes. Its the way they strip mined the land that is the issue and reasonable protections against this kind of development are good for everyone.
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Lakeman
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KARIS PARK
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4/28/2008 8:03:31 PM
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P.P. I agree with what you say.
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| Name: |
LifeTime Laker
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Stop the presses!!
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4/28/2008 8:22:03 PM
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Bob agrees with something I said.....lol. IF that aint news, I don't know what is. I read where they are taking all the land, basically from DARE Park, all the way around to the north shore of the Sandy Creek canyon and on around the base of Smith Mtn. and changing it to preserve status as part of the 2013 process. All of that land would make great camping spots. Although I live on the water, I still like to camp, but not in group settings like at Wind Creek. My friend and I were talking about attending the next public hearing and bringing up this issue. It's a long shot, but I feel it is worth a shot. It would also be another great place for miles of nature trails, or even four wheeler trails. I know some folks will hate that idea, but like PWC's, they ain't going away. Why not put some prcoess by which they can be regulated somewhat, and there is a way to know who is responsible for if 'damage' is done?
Wonder if the HOBO would support this idea?
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"I still like to camp"
.....would that be pontoon camping????
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Maverick
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APCO Recreational Map
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4/28/2008 8:35:04 PM
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Think this is the map being used for relicensing showing intended use of APCo land.
Scroll down to page 2 for Sandy Creek area
URL: APCo Recreational Map
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| Name: |
LifeTime Laker
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Stop the presses!!
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4/28/2008 8:36:01 PM
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Nah, thats just nappin'!!
I am ready for some 'toon times though. Dnag weather turned cold again today. The water coming up early has really messed up my 'seasonal clock'. It feels like it ought to be HOT weather by now.
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| Name: |
Pier Pressure
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KARIS PARK
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4/28/2008 8:37:06 PM
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I haven't seen any type of "responsible development" anywhere on the lake. Unless you consider the way the land looks 5 to 10 years after the project is done. People discussed in the past that they would like to see developers leave a large percentage of the existing hardwoods, natural lay of the land, etc. While I think this is what you mean by "responsible development" I am not sure it is either legal or possible with all of the logistical implications of building road, water, sewage, drainage , and other issues which are the liabilities of the developers.
I haven't seen Karis Park. I have only heard negative things about the way it currently looks, and that they are putting up "shanties" (250k house not good enough?) I have also heard these things mentioned about two condo developments which remain unfinished.
If in fact the Karis Park developer has acted irresponsibly, and will not procede in finishing the work that was started, the State can reclaim the land for public use. Eminent domain is clearly addressed for the State to procure land for public use in State Parks, etc.
I would like to think that there was a justifyable reason that they"raped" the land. But I would also think that most existing homesites would have projected a similar opinion if you were to have been around to witness them. Please, someone who was around during the 50s and 60s on the lake tell me what it looked like when houses sprang up...
I think that if the Karis Park development was mismanaged, and they have gone under that the HOBO organization could loby for public use of the land. I would like a place to park an RV on the southern side of the lake, and so would the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of the tax paying citizens of this State.
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| Name: |
Ulysses E. McGill
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PP, You can park your RV
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4/28/2008 8:43:55 PM
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at jlazc state park.......just bring the appropriate entrance fee of steak and beer; I'll even provide the Weber and charcoal.
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| Name: |
LifeTime Laker
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APCO Recreational Map
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4/28/2008 8:44:19 PM
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Do you have any more info besides 'General Public Use' Mav?
What do you think the chances of some type of primitive camping set asides?
The map shows pretty much what I thought. I hope they don't use the Cherokee Hiking trails instead of more favorable land for water recreation. The trails are great and Ihave group of friends coming for Atlanta to hike them, but like PP said, more water recreation in that area would be nice. There really isn't anything on that side beside Kowliga ramp and the small park area there.
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I'm still trying to figure out what a Quasi Public Recreational Area is all about......
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| Name: |
LifeTime Laker
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PP, You can park your RV
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4/28/2008 8:50:14 PM
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Ditto for the LTL park PP. Or you and the family can stay at the LTL Hotel (my two spare bedrooms). It ain't on the southside, but it comes with a 'fun guarentee'.
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| Name: |
Maverick
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APCO Recreational Map
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4/28/2008 8:52:46 PM
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No as work during the week and relicensing meetings are during the week, you know one of those working class folks - LOL.
But osms probably knows the answer.
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If you want to see a rape of the land come to Manoy Creek. Ask BrF what he saw the day he was trying to find me by water. As I said a while back, it will show you how the selective outrage works around here. The NIMBY's are outraged when it effects them, not so much when it is up a creek and out of sight.
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| Name: |
LifeTime Laker
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I'll hold my breath .....
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4/28/2008 9:01:40 PM
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... see if I get a reasoned response. I am going to try to make the next meeting myself to bring up the issue of primitive camping.
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Maverick
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PP - Building Covenants
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4/28/2008 9:07:13 PM
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Have you ever seen Russell Lands covenants for the Ridge and I would suspect similar ones apply to Baywood at Rivers Oak as the houses being built thus far in Baywood are not cutting down trees except for driveways and homesites.
Cannot remember exact language but basically you are not allowed to cut down any tree greater than 12 inches in diameter within 20 feet our your house --- even if such impairs your view. Or something like that.
Compared to some of these developments coming in and clear cutting every tree on the site.
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| Name: |
Pier Pressure
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AND BTW
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4/28/2008 9:09:53 PM
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I think you both for your generosity, but I have no RV other than my floating one, which will visit all of you eventually...
As for the RV situation, it would be nice for out-of-town visitors to be able to visit and have a place to go (even a hotel) on the South side... Its nice to have everyone around, but its nicer when they have somewhere to go at the end of the day ;-) See what I mean, we could all benefit from it...
Wonder if I bought up ten to twenty lots right off the water if a hotel with "Water Access" such as a community ramp, dock and pavilion would take off.... I bet it would. Anyone want to partner in that one?
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Maverick
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AND BTW
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4/28/2008 9:13:21 PM
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Bet it would.
Have always said Wind Creek could be a gold mine for the State if they built more on water rental cabins, a small lodge and a golf course.
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if you can squeeze the PP up to my pier, your welcome to do that to.
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boataholic
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AND BTW
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4/28/2008 9:20:31 PM
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Before risking your money, consider all the empty water access lots in Stillwaters and Indian Shores. The minimum house size in Indian Shores is something like 800 sq ft (dates back 30+ years) and lots can be had for 10-15,000 and yet they sit unsold. For as little as 100K you can have a basic house with water access and there is no line formed for them. Share it with family and you could be on Lake Martin for 50K or less. Even the working man only wants water front.
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The PP is welcome at my dock anytime. Anything in the way will be moved to accomidate your floating RV.
And you have a great idea, all it takes is money!! And between mav and jlazc, you should have enough to buy everything between the dam and the bridge!
There is the new lodge at the Blue Creek bridge. I understand the having a place to go at the end of the day deal....lol. I have a sign that says 'Friends welcome anytime, Family by appointment only'.
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Maverick
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LTL - You Drinking Again
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4/28/2008 9:31:31 PM
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I am just a poor old working man trying to make a living, pay the mortgage --- with kids in college, etc.
jlazc has all the money.
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If I have it, I must have buried it while I was overindulging in the spirits because I can't find it anywhere.....y'all bring some shovels when you come over, and maybe we can find it. I'll show you where to dig. If I make a mistake in locating the money, I'll just throw a tree or a bush in the hole so that nobody notices the destruction.
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| Name: |
LifeTime Laker
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LTL - You Drinking Again
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4/28/2008 9:41:11 PM
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Not since Friday, but did enough then to last... at least till Wednesday when I have company coming again.
But here is my plan. We bulldoze that little shack of yours and sbudivide the lot. I think we can get 5-6 lots EASY, that will bring about a cool million each. And for that you get the penthouse at the PP SouthSide Pardise Park Hotel.
I think it is a great plan!! How about you PP....lol.
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I'll check the beach area under the pontoon!!
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| Name: |
Maverick
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Buried at My House
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4/28/2008 9:49:00 PM
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You just forgot. Bring you shovel and I will show you where it is buried. Think it is under the 5 yards of top soil pile.
Will let you know after you move it, but about 100% sure that is where you buried the Gold Krugerrands
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| Name: |
Maverick
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LTL - You ARE DRINKING
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4/28/2008 9:51:54 PM
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I will let you explain your plan to my wife and I will guarantee you she will tell you exactly what she thinks of your plan.
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Nutin Bitein
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30 ft buffer
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4/28/2008 9:52:42 PM
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What is a 30 ft buffer? What is it a buffer from?? Building? Tree removal?
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Bob
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PP - Building Covenants
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4/28/2008 9:53:01 PM
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PP, I bet that if you visit karis Park you will agree that is was a complete rape of the land. Also, its not that a 250k house is bad bro its that they are asking 1.1mm for a house that is maybe worth 250k as it was built...check it out this weekend and let us know your thoughts...
Heck you could put an airport at Karis Park, there is already a space for an airstrip...plenty of room for camping if you like mud and no trees, or anything green for that matter, to obstruct your views...
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Maverick
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30 ft buffer
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4/28/2008 9:54:14 PM
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APCo easement.
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| Name: |
Maverick
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Sorry Nutin
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4/28/2008 9:56:22 PM
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30 foot no build easement. House has to be behind this easement.
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| Name: |
TotheLake
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We had a place at Bama Park
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4/28/2008 10:10:12 PM
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My parents had a place there about 11 years ago and when they divorced it got sold. When they were there most of the people were still in the Terry travel trailers and it didn't look so bad. Then people started bringing in the park model trailers. We had a park model trailer but we were on the side where there wasn't many trailers and actually had the 2nd largest lot out there. We bought in 2001 and sold it last year. It was a good starter place for us. Had we not bought it when we did I honestly do not think that we would be on the lake right now because of the prices. Sometimes now when I see pics of Bama Park I think it is looking like "Shanty Town" until we take a ride over to Real Island and see the travel trailers with the screen porches attached to them. At least at Bama Park that there were/are regulations on what you can and can't put on the lot and the screen porch is one of the things you can't put on there.
We haven't been over to "that side" of the lake since we left in fall of 2005. I'm curious as to what the Karis Park looks like. Hopefully this year after we get the boat back from being repaired we'll be able to ride over that way and check things out. Where exactly is Karis Park? If you are coming out of the slough from Bama Park and you pass Tuberville's place on the left, is it to the right close to where the boat ramp is?
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LifeTime Laker
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LTL - You ARE DRINKING
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4/28/2008 10:12:19 PM
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No thanks, not even after I have been drinking.... lol.
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LifeTime Laker
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Sorry Nutin
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4/28/2008 10:14:27 PM
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Also no waterfront development in buffer zones. I looked at a lot around the corner from me a while back, but fogot about it when I learned of the buffer zone and all the restrictions.
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LifeTime Laker
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PP - Building Covenants
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4/28/2008 10:22:01 PM
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But Bob that is the same complaints you here about all the s/d on the lake. It is only a matter of degree. There are houses in the Ridge that are at best 6-800k houses that are being offered at well over a million, some as much as 3 million. It seems that all the builders that work on the lake want folks to think it costs 400-600sqft to build a house. the market will ultimately determine the value, not you or I.
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| Name: |
Pier Pressure
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PP - Building Covenants
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4/28/2008 10:22:08 PM
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Sounds like the public could get good use of the land, if modifications come soon enough... lol
If they have built a few houses already the State could find some good use for them, such as rentals...
I hate to see any nice piecs of land get raped. You should see the "development" in Prattville and Millbrook. There were at least two very large rolling hills completely flattened for shopping centers....
Oh well... "They paved paradise, and put up a parking lot..."
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boataholic
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AND BTW
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4/28/2008 10:52:13 PM
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Dittos to that. Unfortunately the idiots who run the Conservation Dept won't do it.
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Bob
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PP - Building Covenants
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4/28/2008 10:56:53 PM
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Ok...OK...If LTL and PP will admit that Karis Park sux...I will shut up for the night :)
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| Name: |
Pier Pressure
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PP - Building Covenants
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4/28/2008 11:39:15 PM
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Sounds like it sux to me... Can we get a month long hiatus of rude/obnoxiousness?
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longtimer
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4/29/2008 12:24:14 AM
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"Please, someone who was around during the 50s and 60s on the lake tell me what it looked like when houses sprang up..."
In a nutshell, it looked a lot different then than it does these days. Back then, most of the houses springing up were much much smaller than the smallest you see being built today; so they took up less space, which meant not as many trees being cut. Also, they were being built with fewer amenities. There were no trees being cut for large paved roads; usually, a road was little more than an existing trail that was widened a little bit. No land was being cleared for the installation of sewer systems; most all of the homes had septic tanks.
Maybe the biggest difference was that the homes weren't in what we would today call a development. They were clustered, but the clusters were of individual cabins; you didn't have named developments where the developers would come in and do a lot of "improving" the entire area. (I put "improving" in quotations because there is very little "improving" that today's developers do, at least by my definition of the word.)
Back then we cared more about having a place on the lake than about showing off our place on the lake. Take it from someone who has seen it both ways: there is a world of difference in the way a house is built, and in how the land it is built on is used, when the people are more interested in having than showing off.
This Karis Park sounds like a nightmare.
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Spot Remover
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4/29/2008 8:52:14 AM
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Also, a person could fish Monday through Friday in October and not see more than 4 or 5 boats all week. BTW, most were 14 foot aluminum boats with 20 or so HP.
A person could tinkle almost anywhere with out worrying about disturbing someone's "morning coffee on the porch" routine.
Mostly fishing camps and some Russell cabins.
If you needed a little water for your scotch, well, it came directly from the lake. (not exactly where your tinkled thought, LOL)
Lake was mostly surrounded by hardwoods and unbelievable in the fall.
The Creek Indians would trade fur pelts for Lazy Ikes and Bombers. (LOL)
Well, in summary, it was peaceful.
Don't remember ever seeing a jet ski or wake boat. (surely they were there)
Largest boat was a homemade house boat that stayed anchored near the AC bridge.
Bass on every stump. Crappies around every treetop. Channel cats everywhere.
If you needed something, you better take it with you.
Sleep on a beach at Wood's Island, and try to keep the coons out of your provisions.
Things were simple then.
Good night Jim Bob. And let's get back for the Ed Sullivan Show on Sunday night.
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green,ed
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4/29/2008 9:24:31 AM
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Your'e making me long for the good old days
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I like the part about not seeing PWC's or wake boats....lol. That is pretty much a given since they weren't invented for another 30-40 years. I am not trying to stir the puddin but there weren't any 'stumps or treetops' either. The entire 44,000 acres was clear cut before filling and all stumps removed in most cases. The future lake bed was clearer than a lot of surrounding farm land. Tree tops then as now had to be dumped.
Longtimer is absolutely correct though. If you want to know what the 'average' place looked like then ride the river channel past pleasure point. The 'cabins' on the western bank are typical of what was built back then.
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Spot Remover
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4/29/2008 10:14:43 AM
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No stumps or treetops? Stumps were left from the cutting of trees in 1926 to 1929. Matter of fact, a stump in front of of our condo, mostly lighter, that had been cut in the 20's, had over 100 rings, which took it back to around the 1820's. Dead timbers is an area left uncut for reasons unknown to me. I'm sure some areas were dozed, but the stumps still stand in most areas. (I'll show you plenty one day)
Trees along the edge of the lake were cut to make crappie beds and fell into the water. Also, dead trees fell into the water.
OK, I think you got me. (Hook, line, and sinker--LOL)
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Spot Remover
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4/29/2008 10:16:39 AM
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No jet,skis or wake boats? Hmmm, no wonder......... 40 years. Well I'll be dam.
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LifeTime Laker
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The History books are wrong
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4/29/2008 10:30:57 AM
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I wasn't around back then, I can only go on what the history books tell me. And they tell me the lake bed was clear cut. Are there a few isolated area's where a few stumps were left. Maybe? Do the pictures show any. No? Has 80+ years of erosion brought a few more trees into the 'lakebed' that have since been cut and left stumps? Absolutely!!
The lake was engineered for a 50ft drawdown and was 'clear cut' and stumps removed down to level to that level at a VERY MINIMUM. PP has see some stumps below that level, but I would bet it is due to terrain at the time making removal next to imposible. There were three sawmills set up around the future lake to handle all the timber being cut. Most was floated down the river and the lumber used in the construction of the dam and the associated 'camp buildings'. What was not needed or not feasible to get all the way to the dam was bundled and chained to the lake bed below the 440 mark so as not to be exposed during drawdowns.
There is company now in existence that is permitted my APCO to retrieve said timber and sell.
If you choose to argue the point any further you can do it with the historians. And BTW- they weren't 'dozed' as there was no such machines widely availabe at the time. They were pulled up the old fashioned way with horses, mules, and manpower.
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Spot Remover
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The History books are wrong
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4/29/2008 10:54:57 AM
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No dozers? Next thing you're gonna say is that there was no Ridge Marina or "Bridge to Nowhere."
If you know of any still left, ask the oldtimers about the stumps that they fished in the 30's and 40's.
Clear-cutting doesn't necessarily mean that the stumps were removed.
Let's see, the stumps that don't have the roots showing, were washed down below the roots and then filled back in with silt, clay, and rocks. Yeah, uh huh.
Sounds to me that some contractors slacked off after a while. Or they were able to cut trees below ground.
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yellowcat
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The History books are wrong
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4/29/2008 11:13:07 AM
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i might be wrong like the history book on this but a lot of the trees were cut with two man saws(dont know correct name) leaving a lot of stumps on the lake bed between 2' and 3' tall if you were out on the lake in november they where very much visible and some just below the surface of the water at that time...
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LifeTime Laker
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The History books are wrong
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4/29/2008 11:22:37 AM
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I didn't say there no dozers, I said they weren't widely available and I stand by that. Go find a book title "Putting Loafing Streams to Work" and read the chapter on Lake Martin. You will find several pictures of the lake bed and commentary relating how it looked ready for cultivation. I don't make things up, contray to popular belief, and common accusations. I will wait until you do this to argue with you any more.
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Spot Remover
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The History books are wrong
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4/29/2008 11:33:01 AM
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I can think of very few areas of the lake that don't have stumps. Perhaps there was some PR work done by the historians.
If I could find some historians to discuss this with, I certainly would. Historians are human beings. They could be wrong. (unlike some folks, LOL).
Probably more people would chime in on this, but you are blocked out for some reason on their computers.
I anxiously await any replies you may offer.
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8hcap
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The History books are wrong
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4/29/2008 12:16:17 PM
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LTL - there are stumps all over the lake - at least the portion I travel. In my first boat trip at my first lake house I broke a chunck out of the stock aluminum prop on the outdrive on a stump about 150' from my pier. Luckily, I had already bought a ss prop and we suffered no significant down time. When winter came there was a veritable forest of stumps on the lake bed from 1-3+ feet tall.
This was in the now Anchor Bay area.
There are many stumps near my present lake house but I bought the lot in the dead of winter so I know where they are.
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LifeTime Laker
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4/29/2008 12:18:01 PM
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Yea, the proffesor had so many reasons to lie about it. It has been discussed many times here and you are the first to ever argue the point.
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LifeTime Laker
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4/29/2008 12:21:27 PM
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I am only repeating what I read. I didn't write it and I certainly wasn't around then. I personally saw some stumps this winter that I was surprised to see. IF my book had not been stolen I would scan the picture and caption for you guys to see.
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Spot Remover
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4/29/2008 12:37:04 PM
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All in good fun, Laker. Don't go to so much trouble. They just left a lot more than they said they did. Have a good one.
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Pier Pressure
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4/29/2008 1:08:17 PM
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This picture isn't very clear, and it is hard to grasp the scale. You can see guys walking around, but they are fuzzy. I think the pilings are somewhere around 70 to 85 ft tall. To the right you can clearly make out stumps...... BUT it also looks very much "Clear Cut"... So its up to interpretaion.
URL: Go to bottom of page.
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Spot Remover
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4/29/2008 2:14:35 PM
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One more shot since LTL has not acknowledged the olive branch I semi approached him with. The original question, I believe was about what the lake was like in the 50's and 60's. Absolutely, clear cutting doesn't mean stump removal. Can happen if there is need to get rid of the stumps. Since I am the "first person" to question this issue doesn't tell me that they didn't want to. It just tells me that, contrary to what LTL says, all is not factual from his posts. Maybe they just didn't want to waste the time.
Probably has happened in other posts also.
There were and are stumps and treetops in the lake.( In the 30's, 50's, 60's, and now.)
LTL jumped in and got over his head. Guess he's reading another book. OK, LTL, let's go get a beer, after you admit defeat.
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LifeTime Laker
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I don't live on the fourm
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4/29/2008 2:54:56 PM
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It may seem like it sometimes, but life gets in the way of my puddin' stiirrin' someitimes Spot. I think actually we are both right. If you find the book I referenced you will find the picture I refered to in it. It shows the lake bed and a man with a team of horses or mules, cant remember which, pulling logs. It speaks of the lake bed being 'ready for cultivation'. As I said, I wasn't around then, and contrary to the other poster, not many 'dozers' were either.
So after thinking about it I did a little checking and 'ready for cultivaiton' has a different meaning today than it did back then. At that time it was apparently common to leave stumps in the fields, since removal was a laboriuos task. The picture shows a very smooth lake bed at that spot, but it is quite undersatandable that in other areas some were left. I highly recomend everyone buy the book or at least check it out of the library and read it. It is a wonderful resource on the history of the lake. I hope to someday get my copy back, so I don't buy another one. I know who has it, stolen may have been a harsh word. I loaned it to someone and his now ex-wife gave it away to spite me.
But some of the stumps you see today are becuase of shoreline erosion. And I still say no treetops were left. Not being argumentative, but clear cut is clear cut, even if stumps were left. And I assure you, it was clear cut.
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LifeTime Laker
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I forgot....
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4/29/2008 2:57:38 PM
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Oh and I forgot, not much of a beer drinker, but the fire pit will be lit, and the beer and whiskey flowing at my house tomorrow night. You are welcome. If you like guitars and singing, you will have a BLAST!
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Nutin Bitein
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Sorry Nutin
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4/29/2008 3:03:34 PM
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What if the building is already there? Do I have until 2013 to build something before the easement rule takes affect?
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yellowcat
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ltl
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4/29/2008 4:16:12 PM
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have you read "rivers of history" by the same author of loafing streams....i am going to get loafing streams..seems like very interesting read...thanks for the recommendation...
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LifeTime Laker
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No I haven't but I will try to
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4/29/2008 4:51:40 PM
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If like you such books you will really enjoy Loafing Streams. It is a history of the beginnings of APCO including the frist four lakes. The section on Martin is very good. Being the third dam, they had learned a few lessons on the first two and Martin became a real showcase of engineering, perseverance, cooperation and even early social engineering. It was the first instance of blacks and whites working side by side for the same wages, with the same benifits in the state of Alabama. APCO was also the first to offer health care to employees, although that was more a necesasity than a luxury due to the isolation of the site. The innovative methods of mesquita control was also very interesting. Malaria was a major concern at the time. I think you will enjoy it. Maybe when you get your copy you can clear up the 'stump'issue for us. It has been years since I read the book, but that one picture really sticks out in my mind.
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yellowcat
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No I haven't but I will try to
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4/29/2008 5:13:18 PM
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i havent either but it is about life on the tallapoosa and coosa rivers...i will probably get that too....i am by no means a historian and i am a young guy.. i go by what i have read and seen in books and what i have experienced on the lake growing up.... i do believe there were stumps left but i also think some were pulled up....just to the west of smith mtn. before you head out to the main river i saw stumps i had never seen before when the water was down below normal last fall....and some still just below the surface at the time...made me very cautiouswhen in the boat fishing....also if you go below the dam there similar stump rows on the left side all cut about the same height usually just below the surface of the water...maybe cut during dam construction??
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Spot Remover
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I forgot....
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4/29/2008 5:29:01 PM
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Thanks. Not real sure when we will be coming over this weekend. Will definitely get together sometime in the future. Have a good one and be careful in those shallow places (wink).
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Maverick
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Jlazc - Have Your Answer
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4/29/2008 7:57:52 PM
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Quasi-Public Recreation – Lands leased to quasi-public organizations as needed for public use facilities.
URL: Alabama Power Map Definitions
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I think we HOBO's need to lease an official party island for the next 20 years
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8hcap
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No I haven't but I will try to
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4/30/2008 9:42:45 AM
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I meant to check the Lake Martin history book last night but forgot, however I seem to remember (at my age this is a stretch!!!) that the timber cut in some arears was just cabled off to the bottom.
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LifeTime Laker
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No I haven't but I will try to
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4/30/2008 9:53:37 AM
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You're memory is good on thos one 8. When it wasn't feasible to get the lumber to the mills it was cabled to the lake bed. This wast mostle done up streamand in the creeks. There is a company now licensed to recover this timber. They are selling it off. I can't remeber the name of the country, but the were featured in one of the lake mags last year.
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