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DJ
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Wondering Why
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5/7/2008 6:49:19 PM
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I'm trying to understand why it is that the HOBO'S did not take as active a role in fighting the boat ban as they did the low water level? I assume there were members of the HOBO'S that owned boats that were on the list, did they show any support for these members after taking their money for membership they should have received support from the HOBOS since their boat could very well not be allowed on the lake. I have looked here on this forum, looked on the lakemartin.org for anything that shows they supported "boat owners" in the fight to stop a ban on boats that members owned and I can't find anything, please tell me I'm wrong and that the HOBO'S did in fact go to bat for those members?
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Bob
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Wondering Why
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5/7/2008 8:50:59 PM
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Because they are smart you ignorant hick. Please shut up will you...your incessant posts are driving up membership in the organization you criticize. Get over it loser. Find a new lake if you want your big stupid boat.
If you are a HOBO leader I encourage you to use this idiots attacks to grow the membership. Do not attempt to appease this out of touch fool. I guarantee that his posts only drive up your numbers...but you already know that even if you can not admit that publicly.
I will anixously await your certain cosmically stupid response...while I laugh at your predicament...gotta go gas up the PWC's now....
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| Name: |
DJ
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Wondering Why
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5/7/2008 9:15:52 PM
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Why thank you Bob, I didn't know you cared so much. You sleep tight tonight, big-boy!
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PC Al
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Wondering Why
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5/7/2008 9:35:53 PM
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From what I have seen around the lake, there are probably about an equal number of people on each side of the "big boat" issue. That being the case, why should HOBO get involved? Taking a neutral status is the best way for the Organization to go. I joined HOBO for them to do exactly what they have done so far. My main concern is Lake Levels. I can see both sides of the "big boat" issue.
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| Name: |
DJ
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Wondering Why
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5/7/2008 9:55:20 PM
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Do you really think that an organization that was just started had any effect on the lake levels for this year, I'm sure they will boastfully tell us they had everything to do with it. Think about it man, they wrote a couple letters, big deal. Others with the power to make it happen are the ones to thank for the lake being at the level it is at today not the HOBOS. If they are in fact for all stakeholders they should fight to stop any boat from being banned, if they next decide they no longer want two stroke boats and PWC's on the lake will there be any support from them, I would think not, but there should be with any group of watercraft that is being banned, but what do I know I’m just a hick! And for the record I do not own a big fast boat.
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PC Al
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Wondering Why
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5/7/2008 10:21:10 PM
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Well, assuming you are correct, who are the others that I should be thanking. I will be glad to thank them too. And as I already said, how could they fight for all stakeholders when all stakeholders do not want the same thing. And for the record, I enjoy the big fast boats. I have been on one doing 105 mph and it was really a thrill. But, I was also scared to death some kid on a PWC might make a 90 degree turn in front of us.
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CAT BOAT
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DJ...
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5/7/2008 10:56:45 PM
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Ask someone what my favorite saying is...... Maybe they will type it. I was about to join HOBO of Lake Martin. Suddenly, a member (of the board so to speak, or they sleep with a board member) joined the "Anti Big Boat Side". I'll see what happens in the future. Maybe I will re-think my joining later. I think the original members had a more suitable agenda than those involved now. You can bet one thing, I will run for office if I join.
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rude evin
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CAT.............
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5/7/2008 11:19:36 PM
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Not sure what you mean by original members and suitable agenda............and I am not on the board, but I am a member............but a little checking will show that the top five issues the board has focused on are the same ones identified in a survey sent to all members recently. The purpose was to ID those things the membership wanted their board to pursue. From my standpoint I would say to you..........come on in the waters just fine!
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realfast
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CAT.............
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5/7/2008 11:38:57 PM
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just a little info from a long time resident 45 years and a few . I have always loved this lake and have enjoyed living on the play ground of the south as it was once called. But in recent years it has changed and what i am about to say is going to cause a stir. We enjoyed our little part of the world here but there was a big push from outsiders that new what was better for us rednecks. So here comes the organizations and assoc. that would better draw us together. well they have not they have pushed us apart. the problem here is the same everywhere "the total lack of respect" From the large wakes to the speeders, wheather it is a large wake from a ski boat or a cruiser,or the speeding jet ski or the speeding bass boat if you respect others it does not matter what you drive or how you drive it ,it is not a problem because you respect others. BUT NOW WE ALL HAVE A BIG PROBLEM. THE PROBLEM I AM SPEEKING OF IS THE U.S.COAST GUARD. I WONDER HOW LONG IT WILL BE BEFORE WE WILL ALL HAVE TO IDLE UNDER ALL BRIDGES AND BE BOARDED AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON? WSFA TV 12 REPORTED ON THE 10:00 NEWS THAT THE COAST GUARD WILL BE PATROLING HERE THIS SUMMER .
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UncleSam
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Wondering Why
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5/8/2008 12:23:28 AM
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"how could they fight for all stakeholders when all stakeholders do not want the same thing."
This is such a simple concept I am surprised that it eludes most people here. The only reason I can think of is that so many on here are also simple.
HOBO will NEVER represent the interests of EVERYBODY, because EVERYBODY does not want the same thing.
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DJ
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Wondering Why
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5/8/2008 6:08:38 AM
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I don't remember getting a survey from them on the issue, did anyone else? What I am saying is they should have shown support against the ban, they represent "boat owners" and boat owners were going to be banned from this lake. The hobo's don't exclude the big boat owners when they take membership monies but will not support them when it comes to the ban. That is wrong, they should have stepped up and shown support against the ban no matter what size boats were being banned. Something else that is funny, there is a letter they wrote to the corps of engineers stating they represent “Thousands” of residents and users of Lake Martin, that was September of 07, membership is at only
1,800-1,900 right now, how can that be? Is there another organization we can join that will support “all Stakeholders” if so please let me know cause I do not intend to send the HOBO’S any membership fees this year. When they decide they want to ban PWC’S and Bass boats I want someone on my side that will help prevent that and the HOBO’S will not.
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Spot Remover
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5/8/2008 7:44:27 AM
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JMHO, there are at least 3 to 1 that want a ban on the "big boats." And that's being conservative.
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MartiniMan
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5/8/2008 8:39:02 AM
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I am not certain whether they did anything or not but I hope they don't weigh in on an issue like this. Not knowing the exact percentages, there are HOBO members on both sides of this very divisive issue. I hope that they avoid getting involved because it will create disharmony and reduce the overall effectiveness of the organization. Issues like water quality, water levels, etc. are important to everyone and while there may be disagreements with what exactly should happen we all want clean water and full pool in the summer. The other divisive issues should be left to individuals.
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DJ, I read in your comment that the HOBO's should have shown "support" against the ban that you would recommend that monies from the organization be donated to the legal cause. I believe that most of the HOBO's would have thought that to be not be a wise use of resources or it may have not been allowed according to their bylaws. What may be an issue for the BO's may not be an issue for the HO's and they must try, as difficult as it may be at times, to support items that will benefit the entire organization and not single out one particular group.
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LifeTime Laker
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5/8/2008 9:20:04 AM
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You sound just like me. Be careful or you will be accused of being one of my 'many aliases', of which there is only one. The HOBO claims to take NO STAND on the issue, yet a board member joined the fight FOR THE BAN. That is not no stand. You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT that if you claim to represent all stakeholders, yet fight to exclude some, then you have problems. IF you are for all stakeholders, and take dues from folks with big fast boats, then you should err on the side of INCLUSIVENESS, not exclusion. At the same time you could start an education campaign to fight the negative issues that are placed with the big fast boats. If the issue is wakes, why would you not ban a class of boat that, by it's very name, is designed to produce extra large wakes?
IF the orginazation was truley concerned about all stakeholders, and not just the puppet master, then they would call for new elections. The current board was seated when there was about 20 or so members. Now they claim 2000 or so. I am certain the board would look TOTALLY DIFFERENT if new elections were held. I personally feel that each board member should have to sign a 'good name and character' contract also. It is easy to say that 'they speak as individuals', but the reality is, they represent the HOBO 24/7. I have employees sign this same type contract. You work for me, you represent me when in the community.
Having been the recipient of MANY personal attacks here on this forum from several different board members I may have a unique perspective. I may have but I don't. My emails tell me so. The latest attack by feb was so ludicous as to be laughable. It was offensive not only to me, but to others also. According to his post, if you don't 'own property', then you don't matter.
I also have reposted here, some old posts that show one board member has some very questionable, socially unnaceptable views on society. Yet they continue to 'serve' at the pleasure of the full board. No other "board' that I know of would allow these people to continue to serve. Yet the HOBO defends them and stands by them. I know there are a few good folks on that board. Why allow your character to be put in question by continueing with the farce. Why not call for new elections NOW!? Why wait another year and let these 'bad apples' continue to sully your name? You are judged by the company you keep.
As for claiming credit on the water level. What a joke. The water level would be the same right now if nobody ever even thought HOBO. Do your ego's need so much stroking as to think that APCO needed someone to tell them the lake needs to be full? Do you really think it made a difference? If so, go see a psychiatrist because are delusional. APCO has managed the lake very well for 80 years without a bit of help from ANY of you. They managed it so well in fact, that many of you chose to buy/build here as opposed to other lakes.
Continue the charade if you want. Continue to defend the indefensable. Continue to let mouths like feb, lakeman, and bob speak of your virtues (while showing GREAT character with name calling and other adolescent behavior). Continue to elect and let serve folks who many know are biased. Continue to use me as a recruitment tool....lol. I will continue to do what I do also.
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Allowing board member to join the lawsuit IS taking a stand Doc. Once again I will say that the only correct stand to take would be one of inclusion NOT exclusion. Board members represent the board with EVERY action they take. If ANYTHING is not legal, or at least moral, it is soliciting membership des from folks that you are trying to exclude.
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Tallyman
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CAT.............
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5/8/2008 10:24:49 AM
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The USCG needs to stay in the salt water. They will do nothing but cause trouble.
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Pontoonfisher
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CAT.............
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5/8/2008 10:31:41 AM
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I am a Coast Guard veteran and I hope they bring trouble your way. If you are a law abiding boater you should have nothing to worry about.
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DJ
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Wondering Why
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5/8/2008 10:48:27 AM
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OK, since no one has posted I’ll ask, what is Cat's favorite saying?
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DJ
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5/8/2008 10:51:58 AM
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OK then if it were PWC's and Bass boats being banned do you think they should get involved?
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"If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything."
It's either that, or "don't do that to my tractor". I have heard both frequently.....lmao.
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PC Al
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Wondering Why
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5/8/2008 11:31:23 AM
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If I had to just come up with a number, I would say the HOBO’s should fight for any issue that 75% to 80% of the membership is for. For any issue that is more evenly divided, keep out.
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head
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5/8/2008 1:41:50 PM
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If someone thinks that tha HOBO,s had anything to do with the lake levels I have got some rainbow stew I need to send them. Remember the golden rule THEM WITH THE GOLD RULES
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realfast
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CAT.............
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5/8/2008 8:09:25 PM
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See there you go how many times have you boarded someones boat ? how many times have you or your crew members written a ticket because a boater did not idle under a bridge? Or maybe you thought they were sitting to high in the seat? these are my concern. as for being a law abiding citizen i am. I work the most dangerous job of any on this board probly ! and i am not a officer of the law or a logger. and as i have stated before i am a long time resident of the lake and can remember it being pristeen. The old saying Goes "When in Rome do as Roamans do" This whole forum could and would be eliminated if the law "boaters are responsible for their wake" was enforced!! And we were all responsible boaters!!
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rude evin
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A little truth never hurt....
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5/8/2008 10:18:09 PM
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anyone, so let's make sure we all are dealing with some facts on this issue. A little research has shown me that an intervenor lawsuit was filed in February 2006 in support of the state's action on the boat ban..........one day later Alabama Power Co. joined the state in its action in Feb. 2006. The informal meeting of the organizing group that met at Niffers took place in June 2007. At that June 2007 meeting, the wife of the man who was involved with the intervenor suit back in Feb. 2006, was subsequently chosen as the Secretary for the HOBOs. Just want to make sure some truth is present in these proceedings............
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CAT BOAT
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DJ.....
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5/8/2008 10:24:58 PM
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"NEVER ARGUE WITH AN IDIOT, BYSTANDERS CAN'T TELL WHO IS WHO". That is my favorite.
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BoatsRFun
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DJ.....
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5/9/2008 11:27:33 AM
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Dang....I thought it was...."If it an't a cat it's a dog".....lol
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Pontoon
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"I'LL CALL YOU RIGHT BACK"
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5/9/2008 1:40:46 PM
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