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UPSMAN
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Green Monster want-a-bee
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7/6/2008 5:46:52 PM
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Over the holiday a family dog jumped in the lake and got shocked from a power cord that was suppling power to a light on the pier. I assume it was not ground fault protectived. The owner jumped in after the dog not knowing of the electricity in the water. Just thought the dog needed help. The owner is fine but the dog died. The dog surfaced the following day and the owners were contacted. If you are going to attempt to do this on your own be aware of the danger. Neighbors be aware also. I dont know how far electricity can travel and dont want to find out. DaBuglar this was a neighbor of yours.
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gabby
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Green Monster want-a-bee
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7/6/2008 6:21:09 PM
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Knew this was coming.Not over yet sorry to say.
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DaBurglar
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Green Monster want-a-bee
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7/6/2008 6:38:33 PM
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UPSMAN
Bet I know who it was... I am lighting my Green Monster Monday night. Wanted it for the 4th but, didnt make it. If anybody wants to buy one I have a extra.
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Sorry to hear about the doggy. I have all the directions to a floating light that my grandfather invented and sold to GE. It's still on the shelves today. It might come in handy for the greenlight whatabees.
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UPSMAN
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Green Monster want-a-bee
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7/6/2008 9:48:50 PM
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Did not mean to be misleading the power supply was not to an under water light. It was just power to a light or outlet on the pier. I was trying to get the point across that water and electricity do not mix. Make sure you know what your are doing for your safety and others.
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Maverick
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Green Monster want-a-bee
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7/6/2008 10:07:22 PM
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Agree with UPS in that water and electricity do not mix.
A word to the wise. Have GFI at the plug and also in the main breaker box (double fault system).
A 20 amp GFI breaker for the main breaker box as well as at the plug is a small investment to make in saving the life of any living thing, be it a family pet, child or an adult.
I would be willing to bet a large sum of money a whole lot of folks that have electrical plugs at their docks they plug radios into, etc do not have GFI outlets and these are accidents waiting to happen.
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Lighthouse
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Green Monster want-a-bee
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7/7/2008 9:19:36 AM
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I had always been told that if you put two GFI's in a circuit that one of them would continuously "break".
Any electrians out there??
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We turn the power source to our dock off when we leave. It helps with keeping people from wanted to steal gas because the boat is so high in the air, and with weather like we had on Friday, you just can't take the chance. We had 50 plus mph winds and the water was moving out! A little hail went in with it too.
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Pontoonfisher
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Green Monster want-a-bee
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7/7/2008 1:02:10 PM
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We have a outlet on the dock that is a GFCI outlet and the breaker from the house is a GFCI breaker. I am not sure what would happen if you put two GFCI outlets in the same circuit. This is pointless though. A GFCI oulet comes with two sets of power on it. One set is an unprotected circuit while the other is a GFCI circuit. This allows you to put more oulets after your GFCI outlet and they are still protected. That is why in a bathroom if you have multiple outlets around a sink only one is a GFCI outlet with the test and reset buttons. The other outlets look like a standard outlet but the get there power from the GFCI outlets protected terminals. By the way I am an Electrical Engineer.
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Kizma Anuice
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Green Monster want-a-bee
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7/7/2008 2:12:27 PM
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Could you explain exactly how these devices work? Is potential measured or electrons? Does the device compare the goesinto and the goesoutof?
Are different amounts of energy used up depending on the load?
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DaBurglar
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and I didnt even stay
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7/7/2008 2:22:31 PM
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at a Holiday in Express last night...
In the home's wiring system, the GFCI constantly monitors electricity flowing in a circuit, to sense any loss of current. If the current flowing through the circuit differs by a small amount from that returning, the GFCI quickly switches off power to that circuit. The GFCI interrupts power faster than a blink of an eye to prevent a lethal dose of electricity. You may receive a painful shock, but you should not be electrocuted or receive a serious shock injury.
Here's how it may work in your house.. Suppose a bare wire inside an appliance touches the metal case. The case is then charged with electricity. If you touch the appliance with one hand while the other hand is touching a grounded metal object, like a water faucet, you will receive a shock. If the appliance is plugged into an outlet protected by a GFCI, the power will be shut off before a fatal shock would occur.
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Kizma Anuice
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and I didnt even stay
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7/7/2008 2:37:10 PM
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the part I have trouble with is:
"If the current flowing through the circuit differs by a small amount from that returning"
does it measure volt? amps? what about energy converted by the load?
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Samdog
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GFI question/clarification
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7/7/2008 3:37:01 PM
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So if I have GFI outlets at my dock wired correctly, will I be protected or will the current only be interrupted to items plugged into the outlet? If I have a fault in the wiring from the service entry to the GFI outlet on the dock I will still be in danger, correct?
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DaBurglar
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GFI question/clarification
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7/7/2008 4:10:09 PM
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A GFCI will protect anything downline from it...
If you havce 3 outlets in line and install a GFCI on the 3rd outlet only it will be protected but, install a GFCI as the 1st outlet all are protected. That is why when in a house if a GFCI trips all the outlets downline from it loose power. Everything past the GFCI is protected.
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old blue chair
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GFI question/clarification
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7/7/2008 11:27:41 PM
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Correct. Unless you have a GFI breaker feeding your dock
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| Name: |
FOI
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Green Monster want-a-bee
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7/8/2008 9:59:40 PM
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Sometimes 2 will trip prematurely just depends on how sensitive they are. Any receptacle within 6 feet of water needs to be a GFCI according to the National Electric Code.
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| Name: |
FOI
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Green Monster want-a-bee
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7/8/2008 10:06:14 PM
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A GFCI will trip if it detects an imbalance between the ungrounded conductor (hot lead) and the grounded conductor (neutral wire) of 4 to 6 milliamps of current. You do need the grounding conductor (bare cooper wire) also for the GFCI to work properly.
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