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water_watcher
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Obama's own words ....
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9/17/2008 8:30:04 PM
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Obama's own words:
This guy wants to be our President and control our government.
Pay close attention to the last comment!!
Below are a few lines from Obama's books ' these are his words:
From Dreams of My Father:
'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'
From Dreams of My Father:
'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mothers race.''
From Dreams of My Father:
'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'
From Dreams of My Father:
'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'
From Dreams of My Father:
'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'
***** MOST IMPORTANT *******
From Audacity of Hope:
'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
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old blue chair
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9/17/2008 8:38:32 PM
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come on people, the man does not even respect our flag how in the name of zeus or whoever he does respect can anyone believe that he can deserve an office with the flag in it.
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Lady
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9/17/2008 8:55:33 PM
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I'm sure I'll be flamed or at least get another negative, but PLEASE, check the facts before you post. I know, facts get in the way of what you think, but the facts are so easy to find. Why not try looking for them?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ownwords.asp
URL: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ownwords.asp
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water_watcher
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9/17/2008 9:14:43 PM
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He wrote the words. They can interpret it and explain it differently, but they never deny that they are his words and in his book.
I am sure the spin machine you are on that any time someone brings this type of thing to light is to say you are taking it out of context.
Why does he say soooooooo many things that are so bad, yet they are all misunderstood, did not mean it that way or accuse others of taking it out of context.
YOU, as one of his supporters, don't you get tired of defending all these things?
Rev Wright ....
William Aeres ...
His books ....
His words .....
His tax policy .....
The surge in Iraq ....
His refusal to say the pledge ....
His desire to change the national anthem .....
on and on .....
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water_watcher
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9/17/2008 9:18:21 PM
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How could i forget ... his bitter and angry wife that is so racist. All you have to do is read her thesis. And in her adult life she has never been proud of her country. Makes me sick that she could possibly be the first lady of our GREAT nation that she hates and is not proud of.
I know ... we misunderstood what she said ... she really did not mean it the way it sounded.
Yeah right ....
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PC Al
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Lady - Wise Up
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9/17/2008 9:22:37 PM
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Lady, you should have figured out by now that some of these guys are just posting to get you upset. Just read, take it with a grain of salt, have a little giggle and don’t give them the satisfaction of trying to correct them. I can not imagine anyone on this forum being influenced as to how they vote by trash posted on an internet forum. It is like Alabama and Auburn fans. Each side crows, tries to demean the other side, but no one is going to change their allegiance because of trash. It’s just a form of entertainment.
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Lady
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To PC Al
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9/17/2008 9:57:34 PM
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Thanks - I needed that! You are absolutely correct. I'm done. Whatever lies are told, I'll just ignore (and hope others know enough to check the facts). Thank you.
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dvine
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To PC Al
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9/18/2008 12:19:44 AM
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Good job, water_watcher. You know have stung them when they call you a liar and that you are just trying to harass them.
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water_watcher
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To PC Al
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9/18/2008 7:04:29 AM
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The problem is most people, other than those like you that have blinders on, know that the man is dangerous. There is basis of truth in every that is said. More and more continue to come to light. That is why the liberal spin machine was trying to take the attention off Obama and his lack of experience and extreme views by attacking Sarah Palin. But she is doing just fine out there in interviews. They tried to create and issue over the trooper firing, then after they dug in to it she is coming out looking like a hero. The guy was drinking on the job and over reacted to situations like tasering a child.
On Freddie and Fannie .... Obama is critical of McCain as being out of touch with the economy and why "change" is needed in Washington, and used the bailout of these as examples.
Gee ... the press was all reading a statement that McCain attached to a bill McCain sponsored that warned of a severe impact to our economy unless more regulation was put in place over these entities. But Obama and many other democrats blocked the bill.
Why? because he received boat loads of money from them. In fact he has the ex CEO of Freddie Mac as his senior economic advisor.
Oh great financial advise.
Yet obama can go out there and make false statements that McCain and the republicans are out of touch on policy when he and his party blocked it. Even when Hank Palsen was trying to get congress to approve the bail out plan he met resistence by the democrats.
Would anyone put the faith of the economy in Nancy Polosy's hands?
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water_watcher
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To PC Al
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9/18/2008 7:10:08 AM
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thanks.
It is not that they don't want to hear the TRUTH, it is that they can't handle the TRURTH. So they try to spin it that you are taking it out of context ... excuses, just excuses. If they had an honorable candidate, they would not have to do that.
I don't see anything coming up on McCain that is trying to explain differently. That is because the man is honorable and does not change like the wind in his beliefs. Popular or unpopular he will ALWAY do what is best for the american public.
Even when it means going against his own party. Which he has done.
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dvine
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To PC Al
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9/18/2008 8:49:29 AM
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What amazes me is that the democrats and the media want to blame everything bad that happens on Bush. Don't they know that all the bills are passed by congress, which is controlled by the democrats? If Obama gets in it will not be change but remain the same. We know what pro and con means. If progress is moving forward and positive what does congress mean?
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jrh3
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To PC Al
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9/18/2008 9:01:36 AM
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It will get worse if that is possible........At least now Bush has the threat of a veto but Nancy and Harry and all the den cronies will push so much pork it will be saturday night pig roast and it will not have any lipstick on it just nancy's botox.....
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want2beonlake
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9/18/2008 12:52:52 PM
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First of all - have you even really read the thesis? Or again just spreading whatever you seem to google and copy and past. and yes, I did copy and paste this so please don't try that feeble jab.
I know how much you claim to love "facts" (except when they prove you wrong) so here goes.
The allegation is that Obama's wife wrote a paper in college that said America was a nation founded on "crime and hatred" and that whites in America are "ineradicably racist."
Chain e-mail on Tuesday, May 13th, 2008 in a chain e-mail
Her senior thesis doesn't say that
A chain e-mail about Michelle Obama purports to be excerpts from a senior thesis she wrote while at Princeton University.
It's true that Obama, then Michelle Robinson, attended Princeton and wrote a thesis titled "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community."
In Obama's thesis, she sought to quantify how the attitudes of black Princeton alumni changed after graduation in regard to race relations and social change. Obama was especially interested in the attitudes of Princeton alumni in regard to improving the lives of lower-income blacks.
To document the change in attitudes, Obama devised an 18-question survey and mailed it to black alumni. Her thesis is a discussion of her methodology and an analysis of the results. It contains a limited amount of personal opinion in the introduction.
But the thesis did not say that the United States was founded on "crime and hatred" and that whites in America are "ineradicably racist." This appears to be a complete fabrication.
The thesis is available on the Internet; the politics news site Politico reported on it in February 2008 and posted a copy it had obtained from Princeton University.
We downloaded a copy, which appears to be complete with no numbered pages missing. We read it, but we did not find the phrases the e-mail describes.
We took the additional step of scanning the document through optical character recognition software so we could search its text electronically. An automated search did not find the words "crime," "hatred," "hate," "ineradicably," or "racist" in the document.
The e-mail goes on to list some accurate quotes from the thesis, but its initial accusations are fiction. The words "crime and hatred" and "ineradicably racist" are inventions of whoever penned the e-mail, not words that appeared in Obama's thesis. Because of that fabrication and the e-mail's intention to defame the Obamas, we rate this claim Pants on Fire!
Here is another site for you - pretty good because it deals with all of the candidates and not just the ones you love to hate...
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/
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4thelake
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9/18/2008 1:06:03 PM
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Wow, a post without martini man chiming in with more bashing. I agree lady. Go by these words of wisdom. Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Someone with enough time to type this much could better spend their time working for their party of choice to effect change in a positive way.
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water_watcher
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9/18/2008 1:16:31 PM
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Yes I have read it.
And there you go again ... spin spin spin .... what is it that everything Obama says or writes ... and in this case his wife too .... someone needs to interpret to explain what they REALLY mean.
That is so sad that they can not put a thought together without it having to be explained later.
You don't see that going on with McCain .... or many other candidates. Nearly everything this guys says, does wrires, people he is associated with, policies he is for or against, positions he has taken, speaches he has given, etc ....
When he is aclled on it .... the spin machine comes out and says no no, that is not what he was saying or doing or it does not matter that years ago he associated with these people ... then it is blamed on the republicans for taking it out of context or Obama bashing.
I gues I just like plain talking people and associate with honorable individuals so everything does not have to be explained or make excuses.
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want2beonlake
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9/18/2008 3:43:37 PM
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first, there was no spin just a simple post showing once again that you continue to put false information out without really looking at it in any way, shape or form.
second - the reason things have to be explained is quite simple - look in the mirror - you continue to post false information and even when it is clearly shown it is false - you continue to believe the false information.
I guess 8 years of having to listen to Bush spin stuff would do that to you...
There has been plenty of stuff I could have posted but because the site was not reliable and clearly slanted one way, I chose, unlike you, not to post it.
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water_watcher
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9/18/2008 4:54:01 PM
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I respect Bush for sticking to what he said after 9/11 ... the country will eventually waver, but I will stand by my convictions to protect america and destroy terrorism so we do not have to live in fear that these crazy terrorist will attack our people and our way of life.
No not an exact quote.
But gee ... why aren't you posting as to why the video of Obama is a lie and a fake and a distortion of the truth. I guess actually seeing it makes it harder to deny, spin or defend.
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want2beonlake
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9/18/2008 6:35:34 PM
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp
Here is the link with the rest of the story. In this link it shows that there have been other times when Obama does have his hand over his heart. The particular clip you showed he did not while the national anthem was being sung.
The clip does not show if there was a Pledge of Allegiance and if he had his hand over his heart at that time.
This is from the Flag Code.
Sec. 4. — Pledge of allegiance to the flag; manner of delivery
The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag: "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.", should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove any non-religious headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute.
The other link I found also indicated the following:
United States Code Title 36 Chapter 3 — National Anthem, Motto, Floral Emblem, and March
§301. National anthem; Star-Spangled Banner
The composition consisting of the words and music known as The Star-Spangled Banner is designated the national anthem of the United States of America.
Conduct during playing — During rendition of the national anthem—
when the flag is displayed —
all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;
men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note; and
when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.
so now what?
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water_watcher
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I saw that spin ....
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9/18/2008 8:45:14 PM
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Another excuse you are making for that dope. Why not wake up. He should do it 100% of the time. It should not be a chore or a choice to do sometimes and not other. He is running to lead this country.
Plus snopes is a liberal excuse machine.
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Laker
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I saw that spin ....
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9/20/2008 11:46:37 PM
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this post got flamed??? You've got to be kidding me. I guess all of the Nobama backers are now all for limiting free speach. Obama is scary. He is like the Messiah and the idiots that follow him are like mindless twits that followe Jim Jones's cult. Scary indeed. Do not listen to Snopes either. I have tried to follow them, but I have found many innacuracies. Wake up and do your own research. If someone's words have to be explained, you'd better keep walking.
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Laker
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I saw that spin ....
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9/21/2008 12:00:40 AM
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I personally would consider getting flamed for something said about Obama a badge of honor. The Socialist Truth Squad refuses to tolerate anything even suggesting he is less than the "Chosen One".
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