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Hawks Nest
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480 level
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1/12/2009 3:36:35 PM
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For you lake level guru's that posses much more knowledge than I.....why, with all of this rain, is the lake level not at least 480?
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D-dub
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480 level
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1/12/2009 3:54:17 PM
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It actually never stays at or above 480 in the winter. If you look at the last 6 years on average late December and January usually sits around 479.something. I'm no expert, but with most of the rivers running at or above flood stage and more rain in the forecast, I would think they are trying to make as much room as possible in case of an emergency (while generating a little energy).
I wouldn't worry, with the amount of rain we have had this Winter, she'll shoot up in no time as soon as they "put the plug in."
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wix
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480 level
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1/12/2009 4:29:56 PM
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Not so fast. January 2007, was an extremely wet month. You know the lake didn't fill in 2007, because the power company didn't start filling until Feb 15, and never got above 486'. Better hope they get approval to raise early.
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The rule is basically a "no higher than, but try and stay close" figure from what I have observed over the years. The level may go above the rule on occasion, but it never stays there long and is usually about 6 inches below. If the variance is not granted, the lake will be pulled to at or below 280 until mid February. If the variance is granted, the lake will start to fill if the water is available (since we will be past the January 15th fill date requested) .......thems just the rules of the rule.
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obviously I meant 480......280 would really suck!
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Swimmer27
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480 level
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1/12/2009 5:19:04 PM
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With Alabama officially off the drought list the and 80+ years of the lake filling virtually every year it seems unlikely that the variance will be granted. That and the fact that the requested "new" plug date is already upon us, I will be surprised if they grant it. But stranger things have happened.
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D-dub
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Not so Fast???
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1/12/2009 5:35:49 PM
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Who are you Lee Corso?
January 2007 was the 19th DRIEST month in Alabama History!
Please check or have some actual facts before posting.
The lake will fill just fine this year. How it has for 95% of the last 80 years. The drought is over.
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Maverick
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1/12/2009 6:01:22 PM
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I will bet you a dollar to a donut that the variance is approved.
The reason I say this is that all the diff regulatory agencies that FERC requested comments from have all stated they approved of such and several stated they strongly encouraged such a variance.
Unless some governmental agency opposes such I would have to say FERC will approve the temporary variance. Yes the 1/15 plug date is upon us and yes the temp variance cannot be approved till the 30 day comment period is up on or around Jan 28 or so.
But I would have to say FERC will approve the variance as long as there are not any governmental agencies opposing such and the only one I would think would would be the Corp of Engineers.
Want to be your dollar?
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willallie
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1/12/2009 9:33:55 PM
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Just be glad we have water. My floating docks are sitting on the ground - as they have for MANY years but they always float - maybe not for long, but they float. Reading this Board, it only seems the people that really care about this lake are the 10-15 people who always post on this board, or the many others who just read to see what is happening - because they don't want to voice their opinions. We have a great life here and I cherish every minute I have left. BTW - I love reading all your gripes/complaining/praises, etc. It keeps me going.
Another BTW - I can be "grandfathered" in and say whatever I want - because I have been on the lake over 40 years. Let her fly all you other folks.
How many people reading this can say they knew who was coming around the corner of their sleugh (never knew how to spell that word) by the sound of the boat. My friend who has been here longer than I, tells me the story of sitting at her house and there were so few boats onthe lake, she could tell you who was coming "around the corner" - that's an old-timer.
I appreciate all you grippers - without you, the world would be boring. I just listen, but in my two cents worth and sometime, I will make a difference.
Happy New Year!
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lamont
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What's a "gripper?"
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1/13/2009 8:15:21 AM
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MartiniMan
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480 level
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1/13/2009 2:40:04 PM
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My view is that anything between 479 and 480 is winter pool and they do seem to be holding it there as they have historically when rainfall amounts were closer to average. I too hope they get the variance granted as that will allow APCO to begin filling 2 to 3 weeks early which if they manage to add 0.1 feet per day (assuming we get decent precip) that equates to around 482 to 483 by the time they normally begin to fill.
I am going to be an optimist and assume APCO will not soon forget all the heat they got in 2007 for the lower water levels and how much love there was in 2008 when it was much better managed.
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MartiniMan
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480 level
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1/13/2009 2:53:18 PM
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I agree we should be grateful for the water we have but some of us who live in a slough (that's the way its spelled) are really impacted when levels go to winter pool. It's a way of life in the winter and not a big deal as we realized some purchase price savings not being on deep water. But when we bought we did so assuming we would have sufficient water to get in and out of our boat houses when the weather is warm and the skies are blue. Recognizing that we all have to suck it up in a drought, there are legitimate concerns and even complaints about APCO's management of water levels during the drought or decisions by other agencies that impacted APCO's water-level management.
As an example, rather than doing the dredging project on the Alabama River during the winter when flows are higher the USCOE in their infinite wisdom had to do it in the summer of 2007 during a drought that forced APCO to drop Lake Martin way below winter pool. It seems to me that was not the best decision and for that they deserved some criticism. On the other hand, APCO did a much better job last year and our hope is they continue that trend into the future.
As for APCO, delaying submitting the variance application to late December knowing they needed to complete a 30-day comment period that drags into late January seems to call into question their request to start filling the lake on January 15 (i.e., only 18 days into the 30-day comment period). They submitted and were granted variances on other lakes under their control and why they waited for Lake Martin is a mystery. So I think the anxiety, questions and concerns are a result of latent distrust of APCO and while I remain cautiously optimistic their past decisions legitimately open them to greater scrutiny by stakeholders.
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| Name: |
Hawks Nest
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Thanks
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1/13/2009 7:15:12 PM
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I thank you all for the good information. I will soon be educated enough to not have to ask these questions.
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willallie
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What's a "gripper?"
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1/13/2009 8:08:56 PM
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I'm not sure. Maybe someone who complains and doesn't know how to spell?
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| Name: |
willallie
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480 level
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1/13/2009 8:10:27 PM
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Thanks for the "slough" spelling - will put in my almost computer brain.
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| Name: |
muddauber
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480 level
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1/14/2009 9:13:06 AM
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I've never seen any figures for the losses in '07. Between visitors and the large number of second home owners who did not come to the lake, it must have been somewheres in the millions for our extended lake area.
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Pontoonfisher
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480 level
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1/15/2009 7:22:35 AM
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All those lake level complainers should have purchased deep water lots. We have had zero issues with the lake level becuase of the deep water in our slough. It makes me laugh to see a dozen miilion dollar homes built in a slough that is only 4 feet deep. The builder is an idiot for doing it and the homeowners are idots for buying them.
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green,ed
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480 level
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1/15/2009 8:50:19 AM
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I think most people don't really care at what level the lake is until the weather warms.They're not there anyway.
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| Name: |
Hawks Nest
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480 level
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1/15/2009 2:15:13 PM
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I was very fortunate when I purchased. Part of my dock is still floating and the boat is also. However, if the lake drops another foot, I'll be grounded.
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| Name: |
rude evin
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Hawk........
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1/15/2009 5:35:46 PM
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I'm in the same situation as you..............however you may think about something I've done. In the spring you could add a mooring bouy tied to an anchor on the lake side with two down guys to stablize the bouy. This would allow you to loosen the spring lines on the boat and let it float more toward the bouy as the water goes down. There is a limit to how far out you can go, but I think I'm good for maybe 1 1/2 to 2 ft more of decline if it happens.
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| Name: |
Hawks Nest
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Hawk........
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1/16/2009 4:28:36 PM
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Thanks for the idea.
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